Trump ponders crackdown on Pakistan over terror ties despite experts' warnings

[wiseone2]

The only thing incorrect around here is your understanding of the entire South East Asian containment strategy. Now that the discussion has become detracked anyway, can you please tell me that if no one in the USA indeed blamed Laos for being proxy to the VC and NVA, then why did the US go and bomb the country at the rate of 8 bombs per minute?

Laos was being used by the North Vietnamese and Vietcong as a supply route. Everyone in the Pentagon realized Laos government was too weak to stop them

There is a nominal right wing government in Laos until 1975. Why would USA blame an anti-communist government for communist insurgency ?

 

[Icarus]

Laos was being used by the North Vietnamese and Vietcong as a supply route. Everyone in the Pentagon realized Laos government was too weak to stop them

There is a nominal right wing government in Laos until 1975. Why would USA blame an anti-communist government for communist insurgency ?

They were fighting against the Pathet Lao who although not part of the government, wielded significant power in the country because the Royal Laotian Government was limited in its authority to the capital and some urban centers. The Pathet Lao was sympathetic to the NVA and VC.

A number of times, the inability of the US to stop movement along the Ho Chi Minh was chalked up in turn, to the inability of the Royal Laotian Government and the Khmer Republic (Cambodia).

It was this shirking of responsibility that I was inferring to.

 

[wiseone2]

They were fighting against the Pathet Lao who although not part of the government, wielded significant power in the country because the Royal Laotian Government was limited in its authority to the capital and some urban centers. The Pathet Lao was sympathetic to the NVA and VC.

A number of times, the inability of the US to stop movement along the Ho Chi Minh was chalked up in turn, to the inability of the Royal Laotian Government and the Khmer Republic (Cambodia).

It was this shirking of responsibility that I was inferring to.

No one has accused Royal Laotian Government and Khmer Republic of playing a double game in the 1970s
Pakistan is being accused of playing a double game here.

The second problem with the analogy is Laos/Cambodia are tiny population wise compared to Vietnam.
Pakistan dwarfs Afghanistan. While Afghanistan is important I can argue Pakistan is more important.

 

[Rank]

America game is OVER!

 

[Zee-shaun]

We need a rethink on our US relation, one based on equality and mutual respect. If the US lawmakers threaten us, we threaten back tit for tat. As long as the US is in Afghanistan, they need us for access and that's our strongest trumpcard. Russia and Iran will not (re)open their space for US transport, there are no alternatives.

 

[Basel]

USA is here to stay in the region .

Personally I think its a grand idea and situation.

Pakistan and a Taliban led Afghanistan is a nightmare scenario for Both India & THE WESTERN world.

We have Islamic lunatics killing civillians all over Europe in the name of ISIS and the last the world needs is regrowth of Taliban.

AND IN THE MIDDLE of it ALL.............. PAKISTAN and its military led total brainwashed mindset of INDIA AND KASHMIR and stopping INDIAN perceived hegomoney

ITS A MESS

Best buddy of India is also betting on Taliban to get rid of ISIS from Afghanistan and for that they are getting closer to them and bringing other Uzbek and Tajik groups together to bring peace in Afghanistan.

They want closer cooperation with Pakistan in Afghanistan and possibly joint Intelligence and military operations are also on the table.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Has the crackdown been enforced yet? Still waiting. No, Trump is too busy being a misogynist he is LOL

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/media/mika-brzezinski-donald-trump-tweet/index.html

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

This is just a short list but it conveys my point hence the idea that putting pressure on Pakistan will magically resolve Afghanistan quagmire is absurd.

I think Pakistan just found a Foreign Minister.

 

[Khanate]

There is no proof for any of the above

Clueless, as expected.


Claim 1: Pakistan asked Taliban, led by Mullah Omar, to resolve all outstanding border issues. They didn't.

...during its rule in Kabul the Taliban refused to endorse the Durand Line despite pressure from Islamabad.

Source: Washington Post​

Claim 2: Pakistan asked Taliban to protect Buddhas of Bamiyan. They didn't.

...Pakistan joined world leaders Saturday in asking Afghanistan's Taleban militia to stop destroying ancient statues considered among the world's most priceless treasures.

Source: CNN

Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf sent Moinuddin Haider to Kabul to try to prevent the destruction by arguing that it was un-Islamic and unprecedented.

Source: My Life with the Taliban by Abdul Salam Zaeef (Page #120)

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Claim 3: Pakistan asked Taliban to hand over Osama bin Laden to United States. They didn't.

The Pakistani government, led by President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, will ask the Taliban, Afghanistan's rulers, to hand over suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden in three days or face massive military action led by the United States, CNN learned Sunday.

Source: CNN
​

And what happened at the Murree Peace Process is all over the news.

To be honest, this is not the time to give up on Afghanistan.

Trump administration is mulling a new strategy for Afghanistan. Let us see if it delivers.

I've heard these words repeated so many times in the last five decades.

 

[wiseone2]

Clueless, as expected.


Claim 1: Pakistan asked Taliban, led by Mullah Omar, to resolve all outstanding border issues. They didn't.

...during its rule in Kabul the Taliban refused to endorse the Durand Line despite pressure from Islamabad.

Source: Washington Post​

Claim 2: Pakistan asked Taliban to protect Buddhas of Bamiyan. They didn't.

...Pakistan joined world leaders Saturday in asking Afghanistan's Taleban militia to stop destroying ancient statues considered among the world's most priceless treasures.

Source: CNN

Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf sent Moinuddin Haider to Kabul to try to prevent the destruction by arguing that it was un-Islamic and unprecedented.

Source: My Life with the Taliban by Abdul Salam Zaeef (Page #120)

​

Claim 3: Pakistan asked Taliban to hand over Osama bin Laden to United States. They didn't.

The Pakistani government, led by President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, will ask the Taliban, Afghanistan's rulers, to hand over suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden in three days or face massive military action led by the United States, CNN learned Sunday.

Source: CNN
​

And what happened at the Murree Peace Process is all over the news.




I've heard these words repeated so many times in the last five decades.

You really think Taliban is an entity independent of Pakistan

Please explain this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift

 

[Post Colonnial]

No one has accused Royal Laotian Government and Khmer Republic of playing a double game in the 1970s
Pakistan is being accused of playing a double game here.

The second problem with the analogy is Laos/Cambodia are tiny population wise compared to Vietnam.
Pakistan dwarfs Afghanistan. While Afghanistan is important I can argue Pakistan is more important.

not accused but caught.

 

[Khanate]

You really think Taliban is an entity independent of Pakistan

Please explain this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift

You are confusing fiction with facts.

 

[SQ8]

Technically Trump said nothing new and nothing was affirmed by the immediate conciliatory statements that came out the same day. Trump did what he does best, make a statement to appease the public and then forget all about it.
In reality, India threw up some money which trump will use in his ongoing battle for keeping his original support base on his side.
If anything, Trump screwed Modi's ambition for what this trip was to be which culminated in that really awkward hug.

The actual power to change policy lies with congress and senate where the war is really raging with lobbyists; a war Pakistan is losing.

 

[wiseone2]

You are confusing fiction with facts.

The Kunduz airlift is not fiction

Technically Trump said nothing new and nothing was affirmed by the immediate conciliatory statements that came out the same day. Trump did what he does best, make a statement to appease the public and then forget all about it.
In reality, India threw up some money which trump will use in his ongoing battle for keeping his original support base on his side.
If anything, Trump screwed Modi's ambition for what this trip was to be which culminated in that really awkward hug.

The actual power to change policy lies with congress and senate where the war is really raging with lobbyists; a war Pakistan is losing.

I am not sure I want to waste any capital hugging Trump. In that sense Modi mission was a waste. In the event Trump sticks around for 4 years Modi has a friend in the white house. Trump is quite loyal to his friends to the point of self-destruction.

 

[Khanate]

The Kunduz airlift is not fiction

Better start looking for Elvis, Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster.