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China is in the picture but China also desires a working relationship between US and Pakistan to ensure success of CPEC and other factors.

Pakistan's issue at the moment is that Nawaz Sharif is preoccupied with corruption related investigations and elections are coming. I am not sure if these are ideal circumstances for Nawaz to become proactive in the matters of US and Afghanistan but he can reduce the steam with right moves on his part.

Contrary to the popular belief, Pakistan retains its importance in American strategic calculus. Americans fully understand the fact that Pakistan is an important stakeholder in Afghanistan due to its geography and pashtun connections on the ground. India can establish a strong base in Afghanistan but it cannot undo these realities.
 
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China has already replaced the US, for Pakistan, so your point is factually wrong.

The rest of your comment is nothing more than wishful thinking. Indian influence in Afghanistan is already at its peak, it won't rise any further. In fact, it has nowhere to go but down.

The only thing I will agree on is that RAW will likely increase its covert terrorism operations in Baluchistan, considering they probably have enough support from the US, for the Trump administration and the CIA to turn a blind eye.


The NEW WORLD order is arriving .............

IN THIS NEW WORLD India will play a massive role not just in South Asia BUT ALL over ASIA

USA will be used by INDIA to increase its influence in middle East and SE ASIA

We see it with india having growing economic and security ties with

Israel - india main hitechg weapons source worth billions
UAE - growing trade and security links
Oman - listening posts for indian navy on Omani soil
South Korea - future shippibuilding
Japan & Australlia - Navy drills and training for future joint operations.

YOU CANNOT JUST RELY ON ONE NATION TO PIGGY BACK ON

Contrary to the popular belief, Pakistan retains its importance in American strategic calculus. Americans fully understand the fact that Pakistan is an important stakeholder in Afghanistan due to its geography and pashtun connections on the ground. India can establish a strong base in Afghanistan but it cannot undo these realities.


This is pure sentiment and over reliance on historical cultural links . That is a typical Pakistani statement .. we are important because we have Pashtuns and understand the situation

YOU HAVE IGNORED the crucial weakness.
Pakistan has fostered and nurtured or best turned blind eye to terror groups
Pakistan has lied and cheated USA by hiding OBL and used WOT as a pretext to raise USA grant aid
Pakistan cannot control jihadi culture within its own borders
Pakistan is in the grip of its generals and isi who have a ideaology that is harmful to USA long term strategic ally India.

Thus USA no longer beleives you to have the best interests of the region at heart

YOU HAVE OWN NATIONAL interest

THESE COLLIDE WITH USA and its main ally INDIA

GET USED to this attitude ...........this is the future INDIA will be the vital nation in this region as far as USA is concerned
 
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MODI & TRUMP is the perfect storm forming brewing for Pakistan.

Two redneck anti Islamic leaders and two very IN YOUR FACE I don't care too much FOR TIPPY Tappy diplomacy is what Modi & Trump are about.

I predict a steady rise in Indian Influence in Afghanistan At the wink wink behest of USA..

And YES I do predict indian Raw Agents to cause stir trouble via the back door from Afghan/pak border.

Pakistan has completely LOST ALL support & faith FROM USA........ and you can blame your ISI & ARMY for their idiotic attempts to claim they new nothing about OBL

Finding OBL in Pakistan was the biggest blunder the Pakistani ever made.

As for suggesting China & Russia can replace USA ... ............ not a chance






.......:lol:.....So says the same PEOPLE who vehemently proclaimed that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. That the Americans would make sure it never happens on the BEHEST of the indians.........lol.......lol........ :lol:.............Another indian EPIC FAIL..........Good luck with more retarded delusional indian bollywood fantasies & indianonics.
 
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Pakistan has tried extensively to get the US to listen to its concerns in Afghanistan and has raised the points you have noted several times with limited success.
Pakistan has always been proactive with the Afghan peace process because what happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan the most. We've already lost four decades to a war that raged across the border and we do not want to lose any more.
Unfortunately however, Uncle Sam is completely infatuated with the world's largest democracy and feels that they can do a better job in stabilizing Afghanistan than Pakistan can, with its Islamic roots and powerful military.
Any concerns that Pakistan raises with regards to Delhi are simply rejected by the US by being out of spite of India.
Over time, the US has nudged Pakistan to the corners of the Afghan peace process to accommodate India. The results, speak for themselves. Helmand and Mizar-e-Shareef have all but fallen, the Taliban are hitting Kabul harder than ever before. ISAF losses are up, Afghan losses are at a record high and the Afghans are now fighting not only the Taliban but IS as well.
Pakistan can only try and talk sense with the US, in the end, its their playground and they'll play ball with whoever they wish.
West ultimate target is Afghanistan mineral resources and Indian market. Pakistan role is over after First Afghan war. Three gift Pakistan receive from this war, gun culture, heroin and Afghan National hate. Indian are hero among Afghans. Recently Indian hosted Afghan premier league and gave ground for free to Afghan govt in Chennai, India. Afghan govt is not willing to eject Indian spy agencies from Afghanistan and its the bone of contention, between Pak and Afghanistan.
 
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The NEW WORLD order is arriving .............

IN THIS NEW WORLD India will play a massive role not just in South Asia BUT ALL over ASIA

USA will be used by INDIA to increase its influence in middle East and SE ASIA

We see it with india having growing economic and security ties with

Israel - india main hitechg weapons source worth billions
UAE - growing trade and security links
Oman - listening posts for indian navy on Omani soil
South Korea - future shippibuilding
Japan & Australlia - Navy drills and training for future joint operations.

YOU CANNOT JUST RELY ON ONE NATION TO PIGGY BACK ON




This is pure sentiment and over reliance on historical cultural links . That is a typical Pakistani statement .. we are important because we have Pashtuns and understand the situation

YOU HAVE IGNORED the crucial weakness.
Pakistan has fostered and nurtured or best turned blind eye to terror groups
Pakistan has lied and cheated USA by hiding OBL and used WOT as a pretext to raise USA grant aid
Pakistan cannot control jihadi culture within its own borders
Pakistan is in the grip of its generals and isi who have a ideaology that is harmful to USA long term strategic ally India.

Thus USA no longer beleives you to have the best interests of the region at heart

YOU HAVE OWN NATIONAL interest

THESE COLLIDE WITH USA and its main ally INDIA

GET USED to this attitude ...........this is the future INDIA will be the vital nation in this region as far as USA is concerned




In order for ANY nation to play a major global role, that nation needs to be a an indigenous pioneer, inventor, creator and producer of Advanced Sciences, Technologies and Military equipment. india is not despite having a population of over 1.3 billion. The White and the Far Eastern nations who's people have an average IQ of over 100 as opposed to India's 82-84 are far superior and will have a greater global influence and role than india could possibly ever have. It also explains why the Chinese are more advanced, productive, powerful and superior to indians despite having similar population numbers.
 
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ISIS is gaining ground in AG at the expense of Taliban...that itself is a sign that there is a huge chance that next battle ground will be AG after Iraq and Syria. So US and Western forces will be there...and are not going to move any time soon.

Due to threat of ISIS in Afghanistan, Russia is now supporting Afgan Taliban and pushing Pakistan to do that too also they want joint operations in Afghanistan with Pakistan in terms of Intelligence and military.
 
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Despite what Islamabad and Washington maintain, it is an open-secret that Pakistan and the USA have a tacit agreement on the use of drones. When I was in Bajaur, there were a lot of drone flights overhead and we were given access to detailed maps generated from the data collected from those drones. Most drone strikes have had a local component dropping "the chip/sim" as it is colloquially known which the missile homes in on.
That being said though, I am sure that there are conditions and red lines that govern the use of drones. Although they used to fly all the time over Bajaur, I did not even once find them over Swat or even in Dir/Malakand.
If those red lines are crossed, I believe Pakistan will shoot down the drone. The US however, wouldn't cross those red lines. The implications of any such action overwhelmingly outweigh any possible rewards, unless of course we are faced with another OBL type scenario where the US might be tempted to take on some measure of risk for a high risk/high reward operation.



You still don't get where I'm coming from. In preparation for departure from South Vietnam, the US declared that the VC and NVA were hiding out and attacking from Cambodia and Laos. Subsequently, the US dropped more bombs on Laos than they used in the entire second world war.
Laos was used as an excuse, a face saving measure. The bombing was a means to bolster that excuse as they cut their losses and bid farewell to the disastrous campaign in Vietnam.

bombing pakistan is not realistic. if it was an option they would taken pakistan out the days after 9/11
 
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MODI & TRUMP is the perfect storm forming brewing for Pakistan.

Two redneck anti Islamic leaders and two very IN YOUR FACE I don't care too much FOR TIPPY Tappy diplomacy is what Modi & Trump are about.

I predict a steady rise in Indian Influence in Afghanistan At the wink wink behest of USA..

And YES I do predict indian Raw Agents to cause stir trouble via the back door from Afghan/pak border.

Pakistan has completely LOST ALL support & faith FROM USA........ and you can blame your ISI & ARMY for their idiotic attempts to claim they new nothing about OBL

Finding OBL in Pakistan was the biggest blunder the Pakistani ever made.

As for suggesting China & Russia can replace USA ... ............ not a chance

Modi is strong at home Trump isn't and looks more precerious with each day.
Neither have any clout in Afghanistan, and please don't write "oh but the Afghan government" you can't realistically call them a government at all. They have lost control over a full one third of their territory and are currently heading towards 50%, which is controlled in bulk by the Taliban, the rest a patch of local warlords, and of course a rising ISIS threat.
Your posts are way off. I've watched the region for over 30 years and all these fantsist projections will come to nothing. I remember he Russians saying this would happen and they ended up going in 89. I remember the US talking about stability and running the Taliban out of town, they're are now down to a token presence, which bolsters a fragile Afghan government. Your posts remind of the ridiculous forecasts made 10-15 years ago this very site by Indian posters where the US had just entered Afghanistan, the Taliban had taken heavy battlefield losses and the US was inking agreements, cementing a strategic partnership i.e. Bush and Manmohan, and how writing about how Pakistan was finished. What actually happened was the US became involved in far heavier guerrilla war than expected, and the Indian security establishment made a mess of trying to establish a presence in Afghanistan to hurt Pakistan. That actually was the time the time to hurt Pakistan, but now with the Taliban calling the shots how on earth is this going to happen?
The Obama and Modi era also had people making wild predictions of a partnership that would isolate Pakistan, and remember Obama was one of the most pro Indian US presidents ever, and what happened? Nothing, reality reared its head, he left, the troop surge ended, the Taliban now sit pretty.
I saw a program on Sky News just two weeks ago with reporters visiting the Taliban, and how the Afghan government is handing over massive funding for the Taliban to run all schools, hospitals and other amenities in many areas. It was a joke, and just flew in the face of everything people had been told to believe. The Afghan government now has ISIS to deal with, something the Taliban chose to ignore for the time being, mainly due to the fact the government diverts much needed resources away to fight them, so the Taliban just consolidates its hold. I remember a Taliban commander being asked how do they plan to fight NATO's immense military, he simply replied that they have one weapon which the alliance did not have, which was time, and we clearly see that.
India is simply non entity in Afghanistan, you may not like what I say but it is a fact. Where is your leverage and room to manoeuvre with the Taliban being stronger than ever now? They view you with utter contempt, the Afghan government has no writ and the situation is a tinder box. There's a reason why countries such as Iran, which have far greater clout then India in Afghanistan have more or less stepped aside and taken a quiet role. They know the ground reality and they've watched over the region for centuries.
There is one nation that is directly linked to the Afghan region be it through culture, religion, geography, shared history etc, that is Pakistan. The US will never end this relationship or damage it to the point both stop speaking. They have put in too much for them to just ditch Pakistan and go it alone, or with a third country (there isn't one) . There is no other country around that the US can deal with or rely on in many areas other than Pakistan, especially when it comes to the strategic region of Afghanistan. The press can talk, Trump may ponder but the US generals, especially the likes of the esteemed general James Mattis know how vital Pakistan is, that's why the military leadership has remained mute on the issue and actually advises against a tough line on Pakistan.
Anyway that's realism for you.
 
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Modi is strong at home Trump isn't and looks more precerious with each day.
Neither have any clout in Afghanistan, and please don't write "oh but the Afghan government" you can't realistically call them a government at all. They have lost control over a full one third of their territory and are currently heading towards 50%, which is controlled in bulk by the Taliban, the rest a patch of local warlords, and of course a rising ISIS threat.
Your posts are way off. I've watched the region for over 30 years and all these fantsist projections will come to nothing. I remember he Russians saying this would happen and they ended up going in 89. I remember the US talking about stability and running the Taliban out of town, they're are now down to a token presence, which bolsters a fragile Afghan government. Your posts remind of the ridiculous forecasts made 10-15 years ago this very site by Indian posters where the US had just entered Afghanistan, the Taliban had taken heavy battlefield losses and the US was inking agreements, cementing a strategic partnership i.e. Bush and Manmohan, and how writing about how Pakistan was finished. What actually happened was the US became involved in far heavier guerrilla war than expected, and the Indian security establishment made a mess of trying to establish a presence in Afghanistan to hurt Pakistan. That actually was the time the time to hurt Pakistan, but now with the Taliban calling the shots how on earth is this going to happen?
The Obama and Modi era also had people making wild predictions of a partnership that would isolate Pakistan, and remember Obama was one of the most pro Indian US presidents ever, and what happened? Nothing, reality reared its head, he left, the troop surge ended, the Taliban now sit pretty.
I saw a program on Sky News just two weeks ago with reporters visiting the Taliban, and how the Afghan government is handing over massive funding for the Taliban to run all schools, hospitals and other amenities in many areas. It was a joke, and just flew in the face of everything people had been told to believe. The Afghan government now has ISIS to deal with, something the Taliban chose to ignore for the time being, mainly due to the fact the government diverts much needed resources away to fight them, so the Taliban just consolidates its hold. I remember a Taliban commander being asked how do they plan to fight NATO's immense military, he simply replied that they have one weapon which the alliance did not have, which was time, and we clearly see that.
India is simply non entity in Afghanistan, you may not like what I say but it is a fact. Where is your leverage and room to manoeuvre with the Taliban being stronger than ever now? They view you with utter contempt, the Afghan government has no writ and the situation is a tinder box. There's a reason why countries such as Iran, which have far greater clout then India in Afghanistan have more or less stepped aside and taken a quiet role. They know the ground reality and they've watched over the region for centuries.
There is one nation that is directly linked to the Afghan region be it through culture, religion, geography, shared history etc, that is Pakistan. The US will never end this relationship or damage it to the point both stop speaking. They have put in too much for them to just ditch Pakistan and go it alone, or with a third country (there isn't one) . There is no other country around that the US can deal with or rely on in many areas other than Pakistan, especially when it comes to the strategic region of Afghanistan. The press can talk, Trump may ponder but the US generals, especially the likes of the esteemed general James Mattis know how vital Pakistan is, that's why the military leadership has remained mute on the issue and actually advises against a tough line on Pakistan.
Anyway that's realism for you.


If the Taliban is so powerful try setting up a government in areas of Afghanistan they control. The USAF will send them to the stone ages. They did it in 2001. The USAF can repeat it with easy a million times.

At least 50% of Afghans are not Pusthuns. They dislike the Taliban and Pakistan. Taliban has no writ over most of Northern and Western Afghanistan. While the Afghan government might not establish 100% control they can whack the Taliban with the USAF.
 
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If the Taliban is so powerful try setting up a government in areas of Afghanistan they control. The USAF will send them to the stone ages. They did it in 2001. The USAF can repeat it with easy a million times.

At least 50% of Afghans are not Pusthuns. They dislike the Taliban and Pakistan. Taliban has no writ over most of Northern and Western Afghanistan. While the Afghan government might not establish 100% control they can whack the Taliban with the USAF.

They have set up a government in name and administration, didn't you read the part when I wrote about the documentary on them recently? The USAF is down to a far smaller force from its heyday during the early times of the conflict. The USAF isn't delivering strikes round the clock. Have you seen what they do? They actually only come in when they're called for and it's usually when the ANA finds itself in a tight spot. Airstrikes are ineffective at holding land, and that's what counts.

Yes up to 50% may not be Pakhtuns, but the birth rates of Pakhtuns outstrip those of other ethnic groups and do remember they are dominant ethnic group by a long shot.

They have no writ in Northern Afghanistan? What have you been reading over the last year?
Here they are launching an assault on Kunduz, one of its largest cities. They have a well known established presence there.

Read this;
http://thediplomat.com/2017/05/whats-behind-the-talibans-major-gains-in-northern-afghanistan/

Oh and here is the latest on Northern Afghanistan from the 28th today;

KABUL, Afghanistan — Two Taliban groups that recently switched allegiance to the Islamic State have overrun an embattled district in northern Afghanistan, killing at least 10 government fighters and a large number of civilians, according to Afghan officials in the area.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/world/asia/isis-northern-afghanistan.html

Yes ISIS in Northern Afghanistan......
 
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USA is here to stay in the region .

Personally I think its a grand idea and situation.

Pakistan and a Taliban led Afghanistan is a nightmare scenario for Both India & THE WESTERN world.

We have Islamic lunatics killing civillians all over Europe in the name of ISIS and the last the world needs is regrowth of Taliban.

AND IN THE MIDDLE of it ALL.............. PAKISTAN and its military led total brainwashed mindset of INDIA AND KASHMIR and stopping INDIAN perceived hegomoney

ITS A MESS
 
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They have set up a government in name and administration, didn't you read the part when I wrote about the documentary on them recently? The USAF is down to a far smaller force from its heyday during the early times of the conflict. The USAF isn't delivering strikes round the clock. Have you seen what they do? They actually only come in when they're called for and it's usually when the ANA finds itself in a tight spot. Airstrikes are ineffective at holding land, and that's what counts.

Yes up to 50% may not be Pakhtuns, but the birth rates of Pakhtuns outstrip those of other ethnic groups and do remember they are dominant ethnic group by a long shot.

They have no writ in Northern Afghanistan? What have you been reading over the last year?
Here they are launching an assault on Kunduz, one of its largest cities. They a well known established presence there.

Read this;
http://thediplomat.com/2017/05/whats-behind-the-talibans-major-gains-in-northern-afghanistan/

Oh and here is the latest on Northern Afghanistan from the 28th today;

KABUL, Afghanistan — Two Taliban groups that recently switched allegiance to the Islamic State have overrun an embattled district in northern Afghanistan, killing at least 10 government fighters and a large number of civilians, according to Afghan officials in the area.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/world/asia/isis-northern-afghanistan.html

Yes ISIS in Northern Afghanistan......

ISIS != Taliban

Most of the deaths in war on Taliban are in provinces bordering and close to Pakistan. Most of foreign troops have died in provinces in the southern and eastern borders

There is no data to support your claim Pusthuns have a higher birth rate

If the US government and tax payers can afford it. American in its existence seems to be plateauing right now.

It does not cost much to drop a daisy cutter
 
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ISIS != Taliban

Most of the deaths in war on Taliban are in provinces bordering and close to Pakistan. Most of foreign troops have died in provinces in the southern and eastern borders

There is no data to support your claim Pusthuns have a higher birth rate



It does not cost much to drop a daisy cutter

I know dude but things are just not the same anymore!
 
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ISIS != Taliban

Most of the deaths in war on Taliban are in provinces bordering and close to Pakistan. Most of foreign troops have died in provinces in the southern and eastern borders

There is no data to support your claim Pusthuns have a higher birth rate

No they don't and you have no idea what you are going on about now, sorry. The two differ massively on Minhaj and Aqeedah.
So Kunduz is close to to the Pakistan border is it? Kabul as well? Do you realise the level of assaults that have been aimed at these areas. I just gave you evidence for this and now you're talking about attacks in the Southern regions. I'm talking about the rise and established presence of the Taliban in Northern Afghanistan, with even ISIS making inroads, a region you mentioned in an earlier post that the Taliban had no writ in.....
As for high Paktun birth rates here is a reference;

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hT9ZBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=pashtun+birth+rates+afghanistan&source=bl&ots=jlDPtf3_yY&sig=raoCaK2uImKnusvUbPl-iGjf8uE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSmrWAteHUAhWRfFAKHfTNBS4Q6AEIhwEwEg#v=onepage&q=pashtun birth rates afghanistan&f=false

High Pakhtun birth rates and migration had led to past conflicts with Uzbeks. Although there is no kept data for this, a look at Afghan families here in the West and in Afghanistan can reveal that Pakthun families are larger.
 
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