Trump: ‘Iran is playing with fire, I won't be as kind as Obama’

[ashok321]

Just in:

The USA Wrestling team has been banned from the World Cup held in Iran

 

[azzo]

Just in:

The USA Wrestling team has been banned from the World Cup held in Iran

That's the only way they can win I guess.

 

[Mo12]

This is not good, as an Indian, I dont want USA and Iran to have a war.

India and Iran has a great relationship and we buy plenty of oil from them.

Lets hope Modi can try defuse the situation.

 

[Full Moon]

It is about time for the Super Powers to explore the potentials of raising the ethnic card in Iran, by demanding justice to the non Persian minorities (which makes up %40 of Iran's population). This will keep Iran busy with its own internal ethnic problems and will reduce its current exportation of terrorsim in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Yemen.

 

[ashok321]

https://twitter.com/x/status/827609381650849792

 

[mike2000 is back]

Pakistan is trying to move away from the Gulf states these days and get closer to China, but Gulf Arab / Wahhabi influence is still quite high in many parts of Pakistan. So I doubt Pakistan will side with Iran.

Sudan won't side with Iran either, even though it's on Trump's travel ban list. That's because Sudan is ruled by Muslim Brotherhood members who lack integrity and wouldn't mind reversing their policies in exchange for Saudi bribes/money.

This leaves Iran with very few Muslim friends.

The Muslim World will continue to act as a plaything for Western powers until it goes the way of the Native Americans and Aboriginal Australians. Mark my words.


And this will lead to the emergence of a Turko-Persian alliance. ;-)

With all due respect what you said is incorrect.
For one Pakistan isn't moving away from any gulf states/KSA , Pakistan relations with China has never had anything to do with its relations with Gulf countries. It has never been a zero sum game in this regard. Plus Pakistan relations has never really been hostile towards Iran per se, at best it's been neutral. So Pakistan benefits nothing much from siding with or against Iran if there was ever any war/invasion of Iran etc.

As for Sudan it's an irelavant country to be honest, whether they side with Iran or against Iran is inconsequential I'm afraid. They will mind their business anyway, being a very poor country with limited capabilities they are in no position to intervene in any foreign conflict especially be that is none of their business. LOL

Finally,you say the "Muslim world" will continue being a western puppet ? I don't even know what you mean by that, "Muslim world" involves many countries my lady from Malaysia, to Nigeria, to Senegal to Indonesia to Turkey, to Egypt to Iran etc etc.

There is no such thing , since every country has their own realities, interests, environment in which they trade/function. Has nothing to do with being a western puppet. If it serves their interest to be allied/cooperate with the west then I see nothing wrong in that. It's foolish to oppose the west just for the sake of opposing the west and show off that you are somehow unique even when your interests converge with that of the west. What's the point of doing so and affecting your country's interests and people living standards?Lol. So cooperate where you have common interests and you can disagree when your interests don't converge (just like China does).

I believe contrary to what some people say, Gulf states have done quite well on the economic front, the are by far the wealthiest countries/region in the "Muslim world" with quite high living standards and their people's livelihood keep improving, contrary to most Muslim countries in the region. A visit to some of these Gulf countries feels (to a foreigner like even me) like you are in a different region/continent not the middle East. So I will say their leaders have adopted some commendable policies for their country.
However, I agree that politically they need political reforms to catch up with economic gains their country have undergone. Else they might face some social issues these coming decades. They also need to create new industries and love up the value chain away from reliance on natural resources. But at least their people living standards have improved a lot and benefits from their country's oil reserves, unlike other countries in the region and some oil rich contrie whose citizens have yet to see any improvement of their living standards despite their massive natural resources/oil/gas reserves.
Just my two cents.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Trump will turn USA into a fascist police state, Iran just has to wait it out and don't provoke USA too much. There are too many divisions in USA along Liberals and Conservatives, Blacks, Whites and Hispanics. Guys just wait it out, USA is doing what any Empire would do when its on its last legs, just threaten everyone and act tough to cover up for internal weakness.

 

[mike2000 is back]

In a way, yes. You could call it a genocide.

If the Muslims continue to allow Western powers to exploit them and use them as their plaything, then the Muslim World will eventually reach the point of irreversible collapse/exhaustion. This happened to the indigenous peoples of the Americas hundreds of years ago, by the way.

Infighting between Sunnis and Shias, not to mention ethnic infighting, will lead to not only the balkanization/fragmentation of many Muslim countries, but will also give rise to a new generation of Muslims who will be very skeptical about their religion and prone to embracing/undergoing massive cultural and religious transformations.

It's already beginning to happen in some parts of the region. For example, the rise of ISIS and other barbaric groups has made many Muslims question their beliefs and turn to other religions or atheism.

The constant infighting has also made many Arabs in places like Egypt, Syria and Iraq reconnect with their pre-Islamic heritages. For example, many Iraqis these days refer to themselves as "Mesopotamians", while many Syrians refer to themselves as "Aramaic" or "Assyrian" peoples.

The Muslim World is reaching a socio-cultural turning point. If sectarian and extremist infighting continues to plague the region, then the Muslim World will end up going the way of the dodo, without a doubt.

And let's not even forget the massive depopulation taking place in countries such as Syria.

This one is just laughable.

In a way, yes. You could call it a genocide.

If the Muslims continue to allow Western powers to exploit them and use them as their plaything, then the Muslim World will eventually reach the point of irreversible collapse/exhaustion. This happened to the indigenous peoples of the Americas hundreds of years ago, by the way.

Infighting between Sunnis and Shias, not to mention ethnic infighting, will lead to not only the balkanization/fragmentation of many Muslim countries, but will also give rise to a new generation of Muslims who will be very skeptical about their religion and prone to embracing/undergoing massive cultural and religious transformations.

It's already beginning to happen in some parts of the region. For example, the rise of ISIS and other barbaric groups has made many Muslims question their beliefs and turn to other religions or atheism.

The constant infighting has also made many Arabs in places like Egypt, Syria and Iraq reconnect with their pre-Islamic heritages. For example, many Iraqis these days refer to themselves as "Mesopotamians", while many Syrians refer to themselves as "Aramaic" or "Assyrian" peoples.

The Muslim World is reaching a socio-cultural turning point. If sectarian and extremist infighting continues to plague the region, then the Muslim World will end up going the way of the dodo, without a doubt.

And let's not even forget the massive depopulation taking place in countries such as Syria.

This one is just laughable.

 

[Oublious]

So wher are the happy trump lovers of PDF. Persian and some shia pakistanis talking happy about trump because of the syrian politics ahaha. So the wink of trump for russia was nothing more then game doink doink.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So wher are the happy trump lovers of PDF. Persian and some shia pakistanis talking happy about trump because of the syrian politics ahaha. So the wink of trump for russia was nothing more then game doink doink.

To cast your hope on someone else is never going to work.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

With all due respect what you said is incorrect.
For one Pakistan isn't moving away from any gulf states/KSA , Pakistan relations with China has never had anything to do with its relations with Gulf countries. It has never been a zero sum game in this regard. Plus Pakistan relations has never really been hostile towards Iran per se, at best it's been neutral. So Pakistan benefits nothing much from siding with or against Iran if there was ever any war/invasion of Iran etc.

As for Sudan it's an irelavant country to be honest, whether they side with Iran or against Iran is inconsequential I'm afraid. They will mind their business anyway, being a very poor country with limited capabilities they are in no position to intervene in any foreign conflict especially be that is none of their business. LOL

Finally,you say the "Muslim world" will continue being a western puppet ? I don't even know what you mean by that, "Muslim world" involves many countries my lady from Malaysia, to Nigeria, to Senegal to Indonesia to Turkey, to Egypt to Iran etc etc.

There is no such thing , since every country has their own realities, interests, environment in which they trade/function. Has nothing to do with being a western puppet. If it serves their interest to be allied/cooperate with the west then I see nothing wrong in that. It's foolish to oppose the west just for the sake of opposing the west and show off that you are somehow unique even when your interests converge with that of the west. What's the point of doing so and affecting your country's interests and people living standards?Lol. So cooperate where you have common interests and you can disagree when your interests don't converge (just like China does).

I believe contrary to what some people say, Gulf states have done quite well on the economic front, the are by far the wealthiest countries/region in the "Muslim world" with quite high living standards and their people's livelihood keep improving, contrary to most Muslim countries in the region. A visit to some of these Gulf countries feels (to a foreigner like even me) like you are in a different region/continent not the middle East. So I will say their leaders have adopted some commendable policies for their country.
However, I agree that politically they need political reforms to catch up with economic gains their country have undergone. Else they might face some social issues these coming decades. They also need to create new industries and love up the value chain away from reliance on natural resources. But at least their people living standards have improved a lot and benefits from their country's oil reserves, unlike other countries in the region and some oil rich contrie whose citizens have yet to see any improvement of their living standards despite their massive natural resources/oil/gas reserves.
Just my two cents.

I stand by my belief that the Muslim World will go the way of the dodo.

Yes, all countries have their own interests to pursue, and I'm fully aware of that. But that's exactly why the Muslim World will go the way of the dodo lol.

What I'm saying isn't all that different from what you're saying, but I'm just interpreting it differently.

Western powers will continue to exploit the fears/phobias of many Gulf Arab states for their own economic and geo-strategic gains. The Gulf Arab states couldn't care less about being branded as puppets of the West since, as you said, they have their own regional interests that run contrary to the interests of major Muslim countries such as Iran and Turkey.

But that's exactly why the Muslim World is self-destructing.

It's not a conspiracy. I'm not suggesting that it's pre-planned, nor am I suggesting that it's happening intentionally. All I'm saying is that it looks like the destruction is inevitable. You can call it the curse of geography.

 

[mike2000 is back]

I stand by my belief that the Muslim World will go the way of the dodo.

Yes, all countries have their own interests to pursue, and I'm fully aware of that. But that's exactly why the Muslim World will go the way of the dodo lol.

What I'm saying isn't all that different from what you're saying, but I'm just interpreting it differently.

Western powers will continue to exploit the fears/phobias of many Gulf Arab states for their own economic and geo-strategic gains. The Gulf Arab states couldn't care less about being branded as puppets of the West since, as you said, they have their own regional interests that run contrary to the interests of major Muslim countries such as Iran and Turkey.

But that's exactly why the Muslim World is self-destructing.

It's not a conspiracy. I'm not suggesting that it's pre-planned, nor am I suggesting that it's happening intentionally. All I'm saying is that it looks like the destruction is inevitable. You can call it the curse of geography.

Not really. I don't understand what you mean by muslim or gulf states having interests contrary to Turkey and Iran which will lead to self destruction of the Muslim world. Makes no sense. LOL
For one Turkey is a western ally/NATO member (it's has been one for over half a century now and won't be leaving anytime soon.) and a close economic,political and military partner of European powers . Using your logic Turkey is also a western puppet. lol

Thing is Turkey has benefited from its partnership/closeness to Europe and western powers, it has served and still serves the country's interest overall despite some issues both sides have had recently. It's also no wonder Turkey is the most advanced Muslim majority county overall.
That's how geo politics works , it's every country for themselves, as far as country's have common interests they will align or cooperate with each other irrespective of religion.
Same reason Iran has had very friendly and close relations with Hindu India even though India has been at war with Iran's "Islamic state" brother Pakistan. LOL according to your logic Iran should have been at odds with India while providing it's unconditional support to Islamic state brother Pakistan . But we all know that's not how the world works unfortunately, every country only follow their national interests. LOL Even Big powers like Russia and China often cooperate with western powers in many sectors when necessary or in which they have common interests but that doesn't means they agreed on everything on the contrary.

So I fail to understand your point. Moreover, I disagree with your point that the "Muslim world" will self destruct, they won't. Just because they are facing sectarian wars and conflicts doesn't means they will disappear like the oborigins you mentioned earlier. If that was the case Africa would have self destructed decades/ages ago. LOL. Every region/country often goes through political turmoil/ civil wars and conflicts at some point in time (look at China as an example) but at the end they will overcome that someday , might take decades or even centuries but they will at the end. Law of nature.

Plus, the Gulf states are still very stable and wealthy(even more than some European countries) and with high living standards. They are alsmot there, they just need to reform their political systems to match their economic gains and try and diverisfy/move up away from over reliance on natural resources .

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Not really. I don't understand what you mean by muslim or gulf states having interests contrary to Turkey and Iran which will lead to self destruction of the Muslim world. Makes no sense. LOL
For one Turkey is a western ally/NATO member (it's has been one for over half a century now a don't be leaving anytime soon .Lol ) and a close economic,political and military partner of European powers . Using your flawed logic Turkey is also a western puppet. lol
Thing is Turkey has benefited from its partnership/closeness to Europe and western powers, it has serves and still serves the country's interest overall despite some issues both sides have had recently.
That's how geo politics works , it's every country for themselves, as far as country's have common interests they will align or cooperate with each other irrespective of religion.
Same reason Iran has have very friendly and close relations with Hindu India even though India has been at war with Iran's "Islamic state" brother Pakistan. LOL according to your logic Iran should have been at odds with India while providing it's unconditional support to Pakistan . But we all know that's not how the world works. LOL Even Big powers like Russia and China often cooperate in many sectors when necessary or in which they have common interests but that doesn't means they agreed on everything on the contrary.

So I fail to understand your point. Moreover, I disagree with your point that the "Muslim world" will self destruct, they won't. Just because they are facing sectarian wars and conflicts doesn't means hey will disappear like the oborigins you mentioned earlier. If that was the case Africa would have self destruct decades ago. LOL. Every region often goes through political turmoil/ward and conflicts at some point but at the end they will overcome that someday , might take decades or even centuries but they will at the end.
For one the Gulf states are still very stable and wealthy(even more than some European countries) and with high living standards. They are alsmot there, they just need to reform their political systems to match their economic gains and try and diverisfy/move up away from over reliance on natural resources .

When I said the Muslim World will go the way of the Aboriginal Australians, I didn't mean that the vast majority of Muslims will disappear lol. What I meant was that Islam, as a religion, is dying and that there will come a time in the not-too-distant future when the vast majority of people in the MENA region will no longer identify themselves as Muslims. This will be the result of many years, if not decades, of bloody sectarian conflicts and ethnic/tribal infighting in the name of religion.

Look at what happened to Christianity in Europe. The two world wars virtually put an end to Christianity in that continent. The majority of Europeans today are irreligious and couldn't care less about upholding Christian values. The last hotbed of Christianity in the West is the United States, but Christianity is also dying in that country as well.

My point was that Islam is in decline, although it's giving millions of people the false appearance that it's making a comeback. What the Muslim World is witnessing right now is symptoms of a religious implosion, similar to what the Europeans went through more than a century ago.

And yes, I guess you can consider Turkey to be a Western puppet by virtue of its NATO membership, but that's just an interpretation of facts. It doesn't necessarily mean Turkey is a yes-man. Turkey has more autonomy than the Gulf states and doesn't always see eye to eye with its Western allies. Turkey isn't as fully compliant with Western powers as the oil-rich GCC countries, without a shadow of a doubt.

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I have a very pragmatic and realistic view of the world and geopolitics. I'm not even remotely suggesting that countries aren't following their own interests. Every country is following its own interests, including the GCC states, which is exactly why they're aligning closely with Western powers in the first place. Saudi Arabia and the UAE's coziness with Uncle Sam is born out of pragmatism. I'm not denying that. But what I'm saying is that this will inevitably and invariably pit the GCC states against countries that have greater regional ambitions in the Middle East, such as Iran and Turkey.

Speaking of which, the interests of the GCC states do, indeed, run contrary to the interests of countries such as Iran and Turkey. This goes without saying. For example, Saudi Arabia does not want Turkey to expand its sphere of influence into Egypt as that will pave the way for Turkish expansion into the Red Sea (i.e. Saudi Arabia's backyard). This is exactly why both Saudi Arabia and the UAE funded the 2013 Egyptian coup against the pro-Turkish Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood government. The Saudis and Emiratis are also fighting a proxy war against Turkey's allies in Libya, in case you didn't know that.

It's very simple. Right now, there are two conflicts going on in the greater Middle East. The first is between a Shia power (i.e. Iran) and a group of Sunni powers that don't fully agree with one another (i.e. Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE). The second conflict is between a group of pro-Islamist Sunni powers (i.e. Turkey and Qatar) and a group of Sunni powers that oppose political Islam (i.e. Saudi Arabia and the UAE). The first conflict is mainly taking place in Syria and Iraq, whereas the second conflict is taking place in Libya and, to a lesser extent, in Tunisia.

The Shia versus Sunni and Sunni versus Sunni proxy wars are going to end up destroying Islam. They will destroy Islam in the same way that the European powers destroyed Christianity.

 

[AmirPatriot]

We'll see what he does. So far he's only slapped some weak sanctions that won't affect our defence or economy at all.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

This is not good, as an Indian, I dont want USA and Iran to have a war.

India and Iran has a great relationship and we buy plenty of oil from them.

Lets hope Modi can try defuse the situation.

Joke. Who is Modi?