trump Freezes All Military Aid To Pakistan

[Path-Finder]

Lmao I don’t know anything about them, why do you think I never enter that section

fair enough, most of the discussion is similar to another on the forum, you just have to sift through for good bits.

 

[The Eagle]

Clamping and jumping for joy at USA cutting aid will stop when cold hard reality's set in.

Free aid is good and when it stops it will hurt especially to S country with no other real.options.

Russia and Europe want cash hard big cash .no such thing as soft loans.

China is fine but now you are completely reliant on them which itself is dangerous .

This is not a situation to be celebrating and deep down real thinkers Know this

Ironically, the so-called reality check is given by our all hearten and beloved neighbor India. No worries and pay attention as what is really going to affect you in this regard. In short for Delhi, it was US leverage that kept Pakistan away from aggressive approach which is now fading away. Sometimes, am really surprised that people do not even think about results after a month let alone telling about other's future. You have greater amount of money so start spending upon your own people and prove it.

 

[Arsalan 345]

This action by Trump is not acceptable.we must cut all nato supplies and we must do it otherwise we would become the most shameful nation on Earth.there must be a pride,dignity.

 

[Menace2Society]

This action by Trump is not acceptable.we must cut all nato supplies and we must do it otherwise we would become the most shameful nation on Earth.there must be a pride,dignity.

Supply line needs to be cut.

Afghans kicked out back to afghanistan.

ICBM test followed by nuclear triage test.

Full support of Taliban and Haqqani in Afghanistan against Northern Alliance and regime change in Kabul.

 

[Mugwop]

Military Aid = Economic war

 

[Storm Force]

Ironically, the so-called reality check is given by our all hearten and beloved neighbor India. No worries and pay attention as what is really going to affect you in this regard. In short for Delhi, it was US leverage that kept Pakistan away from aggressive approach which is now fading away. Sometimes, am really surprised that people do not even think about results after a month let alone telling about other's future. You have greater amount of money so start spending upon your own people and prove it.

Pakistan aggression will be met head on.

In the past we had pathetic apologetic leaders like vagpayee and Singh.

You think Modi.and current India will be apologetic like those old men.

No chance they will not hesitate not one second

Being aggressive on India would be worry from China who has five times our wealth and resources

Pakistan is in no position to fight India they've too many enemies and inherent weaknesses

Supply line needs to be cut.

Afghans kicked out back to afghanistan.

ICBM test followed by nuclear triage test.

Full support of Taliban and Haqqani in Afghanistan against Northern Alliance and regime change in Kabul.

This war has cost your country hundred.billion dollars and sixty thousand killed according to your leaders like asif and mushraff and Iran Khan.

Your claim to be victim.

USA stops aid so you want to test nukes and force regime change in Kabul

What logic is this

You are lashing out lime demented children

Why escalate with your neighbours

Attack USA who is humiliating you

Attacking Kabul or threatening peace on loc is nonsense and irrelevant to your USA fallout

 

[The Eagle]

Pakistan aggression will be met head on.

In the past we had pathetic apologetic leaders like vagpayee and Singh.

You think Modi.and current India will be apologetic like those old men.

No chance they will not hesitate not one second

Being aggressive on India would be worry from China who has five times our wealth and resources

Pakistan has one eigth of ou

Does that make any sense to have someone like Modi in class of Trump. As I said, try to understand the cheering for US is more of loss for your too in this region. Pakistan has been through worst than today before and we are doing better as compare to past. This is about no-hesitation of Modi but a reality check and he will keep gaining vote based upon same false bravado in every election campaign. Not to mention how India tried to rely upon Israel against our N-Facility and then what happened. No, Pakistan is not going to be aggressive against India firstly but we counter your misadventure with more aggressive approach against TTP, NDS & ANA; than before. As I said, read it with more attention and try to understand what is being told.

 

[alphapak]

India being involved into Afghanistan is actually good for Pakistan as it will become another drainage for indian money. You need to think deep instead of thinking emotional.

Pakistan doesn't care what US or anyone else does inside Afghanistan. If US and NATO use Pakistani territory just make money out of it.

Pakistani soldiers are getting killed everyday by these terrorists,
how is this good for Pakistan? Pak needs to stop these terrorists
coming in from Afghanistan. India is in Afghanistan to cause trouble
for Pak, they are not there to play ludo with Afghans.

 

[SingaporeGuy]

its only $255 million.

Quite sure trump consulted india before coming to this decision.

India stands to benefit the most and get to control more of afghanistan as a result

problem also is that pakistan is not KSA or turkey.

Turkey and KSA has much for USA to leech on.

 

[American Pakistani]

Pakistani soldiers are getting killed everyday by these terrorists,
how is this good for Pakistan? Pak needs to stop these terrorists
coming in from Afghanistan. India is in Afghanistan to cause trouble
for Pak, they are not there to play ludo with Afghans.

They can play ludo or dudo, none of our concern unless they are not touching our territory. Let them be there and pour their $$ into that Afghan drain. Soviets money drained, American drained, now it' indian.

What Pakistan has to do is that build a wall so that no terrorist can enter. Investigate every incident and if indian hand is found, light up their embassies and consulates for response, if it was planned there.

 

[jetray]

Pakistani traders protest against U.S. President Donald Trump in Peshawar, Pakistan, Jan 5, 2018.
WASHINGTON/ISLAMABAD —
U.S. President Donald Trump appears to be ratcheting up the pressure on Pakistan, suggesting he would be in favor of cutting all aid to Islamabad over the government’s refusal to take more decisive action against terrorism.

The president tweeted late Friday that ending U.S. assistance to Pakistan would be a “Good Idea,” in response to a tweet from U.S. Senator Rand Paul.


“I’m introducing a bill to end aid to Pakistan in the coming days,” Paul said in his Tweet. “My bill will take the money that would have gone to Pakistan and put it in an infrastructure fund to build roads and bridges here at home.”


The suggestion of cutting all funding to Pakistan, a long-time ally with a history of uneasy relations with the U.S., runs counter to the message White House officials were putting out earlier in the day.

“I just want to be clear that it’s been suspended. Nothing has been reappropriated,” a senior administration official said of the $1.9 billion in aid. “We’re hopeful that we can lift the suspension and the aid will be able to go forward.”

'A matter of frustration'

But the official also warned, that the Pakistani government had pushed President Trump’s patience past its limits.

“He’s monitoring Pakistan and how Pakistan has responded to our requests," the official said. "It was a matter of frustration. The kinds of information that were coming to him were not satisfying."

“There has been ample time for Pakistan to show that it is taking our requests seriously,” the official added, calling the U.S. requests “very clear.” “Unfortunately,we have not seen the type of meaningful action we are seeking.”

The Trump administration announced its decision to suspend the aid Thursday, saying it would remain frozen until Islamabad takes "decisive action" against the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani network.

The funding freeze affects $1 billion for military equipment and another $900 million in payments to defray the cost of counterterrorism operations, officials said Friday.

“There has been ample time for Pakistan to show that it is taking our requests seriously,” a senior U.S. administration official said Friday.

“We have made very clear what our expectations are,” the official said. “Unfortunately, we have not seen the type of meaningful action we are seeking.”

Pakistan: US move undermines cooperation

But Pakistan’s military dismissed the U.S. action as a meaningless deterrent that would serve only to undermine security cooperation and regional peace efforts.

“Pakistan never fought for money but for peace,” army spokesman Major-General Asif Ghafoor told VOA.

Ghafoor also denied U.S. allegations that Pakistan was giving either the Taliban or the Haqqanis any sort of safe haven from which they can attack U.S. forces in neighboring Afghanistan.

Pakistani religious students protest against U.S. President Donald Trump in Lahore, Jan. 5, 2018.
Military-led counterterrorism operations, Ghafoor said, have targeted terrorists “indiscriminately,” including the Haqqani network at a “heavy cost of blood and treasure.” He insisted there are no more “organized” terrorist sanctuaries inside Pakistan.

“Casting doubts on our will is not good to our common objective of moving toward enduring peace and stability. Pakistan shall continue its sincere efforts in [the] best interest of Pakistan and peace,” the army spokesman said.

In a separate statement Friday, Pakistan’s foreign ministry criticized the U.S. for “arbitrary deadlines” and “unilateral pronouncements.” It asserted that Islamabad has fought the anti-terrorism war “largely” from its own financial resources.

“Emergence of new and more deadly groups such as Daesh in Afghanistan call for enhancing international cooperation,” the Pakistani statement said, using an Arabic acronym for Islamic State.

And the ministry called U.S. pressure “counterproductive in addressing common threats.”

Trump tweet

The war of words between the two allies was triggered Monday, when U.S. President Donald Trump threatened to slash funding for Pakistan, accusing it on Twitter of providing a haven to terrorists and playing U.S. leaders for “fools.”

In his Twitter comments, Trump said Washington has received “nothing but lies and deceits” in return for giving Pakistan more than $33 billion in the last 15 years.


Pakistani officials say they have received $14 billion and that Washington still owes the country $9 billion.

Both the U.S. action and Trump’s remarks have upset many in Pakistan.

A leading opposition politician, Imran Khan, on Friday demanded the government categorically refuse to accept any future U.S. assistance in the wake of Trump’s remarks.

“Despite Pakistan clearing up North Waziristan, still half of Afghanistan is in Taliban hands. So, who is responsible for this?” Khan asked. “To make Pakistan the scapegoat of a failed strategy in Afghanistan is not just a travesty of justice, it is deeply insulting and humiliating.”

Supporters of Pakistani religious groups rally against U.S. President Donald Trump in Lahore, Pakistan, Jan. 2, 2018. Trump slammed Pakistan for "lies & deceit" in a New Year's Day tweet that said Islamabad had played U.S. leaders for "fools."
Wavering ties?

Despite the tough talk, some U.S. officials are hopeful Washington and Islamabad can resolve their differences.

“We are still working with Pakistan and we will restore the aid if we see decisive movements against the terrorists, who are as much of a threat against Pakistan as they are against us,” U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told reporters Friday.

Senior U.S. officials also said some of the suspended funding could be made available on a case-by-case basis in order to protect U.S. national security interests.

A senior U.S. official warned, however, that the government in Islamabad had pushed President Trump’s patience past its limits.

“He’s monitoring Pakistan and how Pakistan has responded to our requests,” the official said. “It was a matter of frustration. The kinds of information that were coming to him were not satisfying.”

Pakistan's opposition leader, Imran Khan, center, speaks to reporters in Islamabad, Jan. 2, 2018. Khan criticized U.S. President Donald Trump on Jan. 3 as "ignorant and ungrateful" after the U.S. leader accused it of harboring terrorists.
Pakistan’s reluctance to undertake counterterrorism operations, specifically in the Waziristan region, has been a major irritant in relations with the U.S., which sees the area as a training ground for Taliban and Haqqani militants.

U.S. officials say such safe havens remain intact, allowing the Taliban and Haqqani to conduct attacks in Afghanistan, such as a May 31, 2017 bombing that ripped through Kabul’s diplomatic quarter, killing more than 150 people.

Still, the Trump administration’s hard line with Pakistan is not without risk.

“For all the talk of how the U.S. may finally be taking its pressure to a new level to get the results it wants, pushing harder could backfire in a big way,” cautioned Michael Kugelman, deputy director of the Asia Program at the Wilson Center, a Washington-based foreign policy think tank.

“If Pakistan feels sufficiently provoked by tough U.S. measures, it could retaliate in ways that damage U.S. interests in South Asia,” Kugelman said. “The most likely scenario is that Pakistan could shut down NATO supply routes on its soil, which would make America’s difficult war effort in Afghanistan all the more challenging.”

Risk acknowledged

The Pentagon sought Friday to downplay such concerns, but Trump administration officials admit that is a risk, and say there have been some preliminary talks with other allies in the region about providing lethal aid to coalition forces.

“I’m not saying it would be impossible, but it would not be easy,” the senior administration official said.

The U.S. has been forced to find alternate supply routes before.

In 2011, Pakistan shut down U.S. supply routes through its territory and airspace for months after U.S. airstrikes that mistakenly hit and killed 24 Pakistani border forces.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif briefs the media in Islamabad, Pakistan, Sep. 7, 2017.


“We haven’t exactly entered uncharted territory in U.S.-Pakistan relations,” Kugelman said, noting both countries have found ways to forge ahead in the past. “There’s a good chance that if the screws start to tighten on Pakistan, then Pakistan may be compelled to take some modest measures to appease the U.S. in the short term.”

For now, though, it’s the frustration that has come to the fore.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif, in an interview with the local Geo News television, said the U.S. was “now neither a friend nor ally but a friend who always betrays.” He went on to say that Islamabad will have to review its ties to Washington and to strengthen relations with key regional patterns, including China, Iran and Russia.

VOA's Pentagon correspondent Carla Babb contributed to this report.

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[Menace2Society]

A private apology from US will not suffice. How can you allow yourself to be publically humiliated then apologised to in private then repeated again and again. Enough of this.

Treat Pakistan like an ally or f**k off.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

If Pakistan really wanted to couldn't we just increase the reimbursement rate? If they don't comply cut the line. Simple as that.

 

[American Pakistani]

Is Pakistan charging the heavy NATO and US convoys that use Pakistani territory, ports, highways, motorways, passes, security, etc? Who pay for the lives and if someone attack these convoys resulting in coalataral damages? What about the massive heavy ships in Pakistani waters forcing sea animals to flee and polluting the waters?

Pakistan should start charging heavily for these services.

 

[neem456]

How are supply lines still open after this daily dose of insults by trump administration.