Trump cracks down on Pakistan, U.S. cuts military training programs

[Safriz]

Great news.. Thank you Trump.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hi,

Youngman---just because you have an olive branch---does not mean that you offer it to every one---.

You speak to them in the manner and tone they needed to be spoken at---.

The problem is---that you as a nation do not know how to speak to the americans---.

All you kids have is " pakistani rhetoric "---. If you want the americans to understand---then you learn to speak the language that the americans understand---.

Saddam did not know that language---he was destroyed---.

I have to admit among the non-Europeans Yellow race knows it best!!!!

 

[cloud4000]

Its a mixed plate- as the US military personnel mentioned; this was a good way to build relationships which sometimes bear good fruit in situations we never hear about- including intel on TTP and in the past even Indian movement(remember, what the CIA wants is not always what the US Pentagon wants). The flipside is yes a lot of officers do get offered to be moles for the US intelligence services but that reflects on the character of that officer more than anything else.

If Pakistan sends its intelligence folks or military personnel to either China or Russia for training, I am sure some of them will comeback as moles for those agencies too. It's a known tactic used by intelligence agencies the world over.

Cut the supply line and re-open after applying $5bn per annum tarrif. They want military prescence in your back yard, make them pay for it.

Is this before or after Pakistan asks IMF for a loan?

 

[FuturePAF]

This makes no sense


All the U.S programmes were , was a system of brain washing for Pakistan military and officers

For ages these programmes were reviled for possibly setting up pro American officers within our military


And they cut it?????????



Thank fvuk its ended!

Its the End of Soft Power; very shortsighted. Even if they see Pakistan as becoming an enemy, they should remember to keep your friends close and your enemies closer. They are weaning foreign partners off of their dependence on the US and going it on their own.

The Donald just revived the Non-aligned movement.

 

[litman]

its a blessing. we sent some of the best officers to US courses. they get indoctrinated and americanized and when they come back and rise to higher ranks they always try to follow what they have been taught at "sub conscious" level during their stay in US. such officers always take US as their ultimate boss. according to an interview of a senior general( i have forgotten the name) he was contacted by some secret society members while he was doing some course at US and was lured to work for them. hamid mir asked him do they approach all the officers. the general replied i dont know exactly but they know that the officers who come to US for courses are usually bright officers with higher chances of success in their careers so they try to trap them.

 

[IceCold]

Hi,

Did you idiots think that america alone was making pakistan generals think of america in favorable terms---you dumb fcks---the pakistan military officers were doing the same thing with the american officers---building relationships to favor pakistan in the future---.

Yes but this approach had a downside as well. Military to military relationship could work only to an extent and Pakistani generals thought that having good relations with the US military alone will be sufficient and did nothing to develop and establish relations with the senators on the Capital hill. Now even when the military to military relations were good, the US congress blocked every move. So a new reset on relations with the US isnt a bad thing.
I remember you use to point out the same flaw as well that our generals are not good sales men, this is the job of politicians. So now that the relations are almost non existing, i think here IK should take the lead and mistakes of the past needs not to be repeated. He is a capable civilian, i hope military lets him do his job and not interfere in these matters.

 

[HRK]

The problem is---that you as a nation do not know how to speak to the americans---.

Does Americans know how to speak in a tone other understand ....

plz try to understand relationship could not be maintained unilaterally .... it has to be reciprocated by both sides.

Secondly this is not the first time they have withdrawn this facility and has put Pakistan again under the undeclared Pressler amendment, and for IMF package they have already shown their false reservations which mean Security relations has gone to zero, Economic relations are at nose dive, Political Environment is hostile for Pakistan so what interest is left there for Pakistan for which we should stay at US camp ....????

PAK-US relations were the relationship of convenience, now convenience is no more in this relationship there is no need to continue it unnecessarily.

 

[Wolfhunter]

 

[maximuswarrior]

Its the End of Soft Power; very shortsighted. Even if they see Pakistan as becoming an enemy, they should remember to keep your friends close and your enemies closer. They are weaning foreign partners off of their dependence on the US and going it on their own.

The Donald just revived the Non-aligned movement.

That is Donald Trump for you. Apparently he made the decision without taking others into consideration.

It suits us perfectly well. Donald Trump is doing us a favor. We have been longing for a cut in military relations between Pakistan and the US for a long long time. The US has controlled a lot of policies in this manner. Donald is giving it to us on a silver platter.

Does Americans know how to speak in a tone other understand ....

plz try to understand relationship could not be maintained unilaterally .... it has to be reciprocated by both sides.

Secondly this is not the first time they have withdrawn this facility and has put Pakistan again under the undeclared Pressler amendment, and for IMF package they have already shown their false reservations which mean Security relations has gone to zero, Economic relations are at nose dive, Political Environment is hostile for Pakistan so what interest is left there for Pakistan for which we should stay at US camp ....????

PAK-US relations were the relationship of convenience, now convenience is no more in this relationship there is no need to continue it unnecessarily.

There is nothing left to further this relationship in any meaningful way.

The Trump regime is toxic and hostile. They have adopted an extreme stance of applying all kinds of pressures and hostility.

We all know that relations between countries are based on mutual trust building. The Americans aren't in the mood of building a mutually beneficial relationship. They are in a wreckless mood.

Brother mastan claims that the Americans aren't interested in Imran Khan extending an olive branch. That should tell you about American intentions. The Americans are disrespectful and basically uninterested in a balanced relationship. How can one continue to be blackmailed by one side and cower to even utter a sentence? What difference would there be compared to a Nawaz Sharif government and a PTI government? PTI was elected with a clear manadate to tell how it is.

America is hurting Pakistan already. Even before Imran Khan's party won the elections. The FATF grey addition came during Nawaz Sharif's tenure. Economic aid was cut long before. Accusations and smear campaign against Pakistan has been ongoing for a long long time. What is Donald Trump or any other American official going to do what they haven't already done?

The concern that Pakistan is going to get hurt by the US is invalid at this point. The Americans are already hurting Pakistan. We need to wake up and smell the coffee here.

 

[HRK]

Imran Khan extending an olive branch.

Imran Khan is not a magic pill to cure all our ills.

How can one continue to be blackmailed by one side and cower to even utter a word? What difference would this be between a Nawaz Sharif government and a PTI government?

Our mistake was not to institutionalise Pak-US relationship same can be said for the US who was more interested in individuals than institutions. Neither of us focused the core national interests rather focused more on transitional and temporary interests and objectives.

US relationships with our defence forces was the only Institutionalise relations which now will be lost.

The Americans are already hurting Pakistan.

their concerns are not illogical US can hurt us more to the extent of unbearable level.

My stance is IF they decide to Punish us its better for us rather to waste time on US try other means.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Imran Khan is not a magic pill to cure all our ills.

Our mistake was not to institutionalise Pak-US relationship same can be said for the US who was more interested in individuals than institutions. Neither of us focused the core national interests rather focused more on transitional and temporary interests and objectives.

US relationships with our defence forces was the only Institutionalise relations which now will be lost.


their concerns are not illogical US can hurt us more to the extent of unbearable level.

My stance is IF they decide to Punish us its better for us rather to waste time on US try other means.

No, Imran Khan has no magic wand, but at least we now have a guy who will say how it is. In Pakistan we have never had a leader who could represent Pakistan's case on the world stage. Whether the Americans like it or not is their problem. There will be change of policy vis a vis the US.

This is the crux of the problem. The relationship between Pakistan and the US was of temporary nature. We made the mistake of participating in US Cold War Jihad against the Russians. We have paid a hefty price, but time has come to rectify this mistake. We still have 200 million people to educate and feed. We cannot remain an American lackey.

Oh sure. The Americans live to hate and hurt others. Their history is filled with such treachery. Having said that, we should show them a middle finger. The Americans have made up their mind. They are not going to change their attitude. Otherwise, after Imran Khan's positive statements you should have seen some positive approach by the Trump camp. Instead we have witnessed more hate and hostility.

1. Pakistan cannot be held hostage to failed Afghan war. Pakistan cannot win the lost Afghan war for the US.
2. Pakistan won't cave into unreasonable demands to halt its relationship with China.

These Americans demands cannot be met. Plain and simple.

 

[HRK]

We made the mistake of participating in US Cold War Jihad against the Russians.

I would differ with just this point ....

 

[maximuswarrior]

I would differ with just this point ....

We may have had our reasons for partnering up with the Americans to deter the Russians from advancing, but we should have done this in our own capacity. By choosing the American side we became their temporary ally. Once you become a temporary US ally this is what happens to a country. It gets exploited and bullied. So in hindsight a terrible choice, but rectifying this mistake is the way forward. Luckily the Trump regime is helping us kindly in this regard with their hostile posture.

 

[HRK]

We may have had our reasons for partnering up with the Americans do deter the Russians from advancing, but we should have done this in our own capacity. By choosing the American side we become their ally. Once you become a US ally this is what happens to a country.

we may have detail discussion about it some other time .... but would say one thing we were never ally even at that time which is evident by the different goals both of the countries were perusing other than Afghan war

 

[Tameem]

Hi,

Under what illusion the pakistanis living in---only they know---.

Pakistan is weakest financially at this time---any sanctions---retaliation from the US would have terrible consequences---.

IK's olive branch means nothing to the US---. What could it mean----come one guys---.

From US, the message is very sound and clear
if you are not inclined to "Put you own house in order"
(something civilians always vouched for, the basis of the dawn leaks)
There is punishments.
We will be pushed from Grey to Black list at FATF
IMF Loan acquisition will be more difficult if not impossible.
Trump Administration is making sure Pakistan will be treated like an enemy, nothing more, nothing less.

The problem is.....The "people" who understands all this and can act are pretending as deaf but creating s-storm from the "people" who need to be silent at this very moment.