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Truman Carrier Strike Group Enters U.S. 5th Fleet To Begin Anti-ISIS Operations

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I've never felt so conflicted on where to go on an issue in my life I think. I think this is because I know that no solution with some sort of conclusive result is available or indeed proposed for use.

On one hand you can't leave ISIS as it is, it will mean prolonged suffering without an end for those who live under it. So some action against it is definitely needed. You can't leave the Russians to have at it, they will simply back Assad who himself has murdered many, and whose war is causing conditions in which ISIS like groups flourish. You can't have our solution only, it leaves out the Russians and Iranians, and ultimately hates but is deeply confused about Assad. Bombing will only do so much, the ground victories are where it counts, but troops on the ground from us will strengthen the ISIS cause and mean we will have to fight insurgencies again, especially if the whole nation building process is undertaken too, not to mention for ground intervention, I have not yet considered Russia or Iran, or Iran and Saudi/GCC angles. So then do we bomb without end indefinitely, which not only kills civilians, it creates situations in which sure, their troops die and their physical ability reduces, but their message and cause strengthen.

All this we've discussed without even considering, the Kurdish angle, and therefore the immediate future of said people with Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq. We've not mentioned the numerous other groups like Al-Nusra, various FSA factions, and many of whom are terrorists too.

This is easily the most complex war we've seen in our lifetimes. It is easy to support bombings, very easy. But I truly see no solution, even if by some miracle, bombings do exactly what we want them to do. The ultimate solution has to be realized with a consensus between neighbouring and regional powers, which is fraught with difficulty, the Saudis/GCC, the Iranians all hate each other, and if there is to be any effective intervention it will have to come from them. But not only do I doubt their ability to come together, I also doubt their competence in war.

One hell of a confusing war this is. I think any of our leaders that looks at this and says this is easy, is either lying or a clueless idiot, and in both cases they'd be doing a disservice to everyone involved, even if that everyone includes ISIS.

I AGREE 100% with what you said. couldn't have said it better.:tup:

It's indeed a very complex game, with many actors and players. Every player is after their own interests and they have their own view/idea of what the end game/country should be like which is totally different from what many other groups/actors think. If anybody thinks this is a easy black and white situation/conflict, or just a clear cut 'we are going in to destroy ISIS and that's it' then i must say they are very naive indeed. I have seen some members here claiming/thinking this is just about ISIS. lol No it's not,ISIS is just one small part/actor in a much larger game full of several powers/actors/parties and their various interests. So this is farrrrrrrrrrr more complex than saying X country isn't doing enough against ISIS compared to country Y and bla bla bla. lool

Bro that's me. (Gab) :rolleyes:
Just changed the username. :enjoy:

WTF?? you change DP/names every week??:o:
You got me again.:hitwall:
 
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@Vauban , Tu es nouveau ici? Si oui, then you are welcome mon frère. :cheers:

LOL/Trop mignon! Hey, Mikey. it's Gab 3.0! :laugh:

You got me again.

In his defence, you're easy game! :partay:

@Jungibaaz

The foreseeable post-post-modern future is only that, my friend! We are on our way to a different world of
cyborgs and spacexploration. Will the self lose itself and can we unite at a higher level?
Fingers crossed either way but for those already alive, I'd recommend knowing how to hunt and survive.

Politics made by professional amateurs to fool people enlightened just enough to side for or against ...
the people's will can be safely ignored as any liberation of the individual remains subject to the system.

We were taught to reason out problems but honestly, it may not work nor matter anymore!

Hug, man! Sincere if still fingers crossed hug, Tay.
 
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