TRNC May become 'Cyprus Turkish State'

[King Solomon]

Did Greek occupy southern Cyprus? my answer is Yes. It is crystal clear to me that the Greek military junta had an unacceptable Greek source. the Greek military junta was not the re-presenter of all the people living in that region. They were extreme nationalists. Considering the 11 years of intercommunal violence between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots it was going to be some serious war crime if someone did not stop them.

Look, most people of Cyprus are not Turkish, they are Orthodox Greeks. Both in northern and southern cyprus, till today, they are 70-80% Greek Orthodox. How can you claim the military Junta did not represent the majority?

I read somewhere the population growth rate in Turkish part of island is well under the population growth rate of turkey in the same period. So those claims about ethnic cleansing sound suspicious for me.

These are documented facts, I'd suggest you to verify by multiple sources. Turkey did roughly the same thing as Israel did. Displaced Greek Cypriots from northern cyprus properties to Southern cyprus and Greece. Then imported Turks from Turkish mainland to live in vacated properties.Recently, they said they are considering annexing their illegally occupied territory. Something that is very similar to Israel.

I am completely agreed with "The whole of cyprus should be a country, controlled by the Cypriot people themselves." and this is not achievable just by providing rights for both sides.

This is achievable by ending illegal Turkish occupation, merging north and south Cyprus into one independent, sovereign republic. Then give control of whole cyprus to a parliamentary democracy whose members would be elected by the cypriots themselves.

 

[SherAli]

Turks were being persecuted so Turkey sent their army their to restore order and euro trash now claims that greeks are persecuted?

 

[King Solomon]

Same old S-19..Turks did this, Turks did that...Why are some other Turkish members of this forum even responding him, that i fail to understand..Now he is siding with Greeks..Surprised?

I side with the truth.

 

[p4kistan]

The whole of cyprus should be a sovereign country, controlled by the Cypriot people themselves.

Did Greek occupy southern cyprus? No, right?

The Turk Cypriots were in favour of Cypriots (Greek and Turk) controlling Cyprus themselves. However the Greeks kept all main positions of power and neglected the Turks and wanted all Cyprus under the influence of the Greek side.

Coming onto whether Greece occupied Southern Cyprus, your answer was NO. Well my advice to you is go and read a kindergarten book on the issues and ultimately the events that triggered the cypriot divide. I can assure you the Turks only protected the oppressed from the oppressors i.e. the Greeks. The aggressors were the Greeks not Turks, if you do not understand this then your points can clearly be refuted on a neutral basis as you do not even understand the issues and how they came about. This is the crux of the conflict and you don't even know it.

If the Greeks didn't take any action cyprus would be as cyprus today NOT North/South, their plansbackfired bigtime.

Coming onto ethnic cleansing your points on the Turks could be pointed towards the Greeks they would have carried out similar behaviour but there is not much data to go from. Greek cypriots in the north and Turk cypriots in the South both felt threatened so understandably moved to areas where the felt i.e. to their save havens. I wouldn't class this a ethnic cleansing, again the Turks took over majority turk area and greeks took over greek area. If they tried to control a majority area of the opposite side they would receive large amounts of resistance which would also be present today. Which i don't see, do you?

PS I would also like to highlight that i have no animosity to either side and have provided my points on a neutral basis, the cypriot issue will only be solved once both turk and greek cypriots see each other as equals however the divide has created more animosity so a divided state may be the only answer like North and South Sudan.

 

[Saithan]

I side with the truth.

You side with the truth... funny. you don't speak much about BBC ON THIS DAY | 4 | 1989: Massacre in Tiananmen Square

or Nepal or Xinjiang. But I suggest you do the same as the western "civilization" do, focus intensely on someone elses problem without being objective... But I guess you're doing it already.

I've travelled around mainland China, and it's a nice place, so don't think I'm hostile or an enemy. I'm just pointing out your sore spots.

Before you go ballistic on my above comments why don't you do me a favour and look up the word "Enosis", and read about it. And think on whether my words hurts your pride.

And if you really want to discuss the topic of Cyprus, then read this Cyprus Prologue

This is a story told by those Turkish Cypriots who had to flee Cyprus when the G.C. started the cleansing.

EDIT: added this news. http://english.sabah.com.tr/World/2012/04/16/turkish-cypriot-state-may-announce-its-independence

EDIT2: I just wanted to add Turkeys view on this as well for comparison. http://www.mfa.gov.tr/cyprus-issue-_summary_.en.mfa

it's been a while since I read the prologue, but from what I remember I don't think it's siding with Turkey, but more like stating history and how Turkish Cypriots see/experienced things. but when you read this ask yourself, how many times does greeks mention Eonisis.

Turkey tells roughly what they did without going into details, but can the same be said about the greeks ?

 

[lem34]

Sure, that is what I suspected too at first. But when I researched I found, yes, Turkey had "excuse" to go for war. But it certainly did not warrant the actions of Turkey later on. Their action was very similar to Israel's in that.

I hope your research is successful.

S-19 I normally see eye to eye with you. On this occasion I beg to differ. Even you admit that this was down to provocation to the Greeks. I have had a look at reports since and it is difficult to verify much other than that all sides agree it was the Greeks that started this mess. So I would under these circumstances following my normal inclination not to believe western propaganda against Muslim countries am inclined to stand firmly behind the Turkish side. In any event no matter what I said Pakistan govt and a majority of Pakistanis feel great affinity to Turks and will back Turkeys position

 

[BronzePlaque]

I side with the truth.

Sorry mate,, You are not siding with the truth..You are siding with your ill agenda..

 

[Saithan]

S-19 I normally see eye to eye with you. On this occasion I beg to differ. Even you admit that this was down to provocation to the Greeks. I have had a look at reports since and it is difficult to verify much other than that all sides agree it was the Greeks that started this mess. So I would under these circumstances following my normal inclination not to believe western propaganda against Muslim countries am inclined to stand firmly behind the Turkish side. In any event no matter what I said Pakistan govt and a majority of Pakistanis feel great affinity to Turks and will back Turkeys position

The reports you are refering to could you provide a link to them please. I've yet to see an account from a western institution that is unbiased. If they all agree on that the greeks started this mess, why are their approach to this case from the point of view that Turkey is the crook ?

 

[lem34]

The reports you are refering to could you provide a link to them please. I've yet to see an account from a western institution that is unbiased. If they all agree on that the greeks started this mess, why are their approach to this case from the point of view that Turkey is the crook ?

Brother I am third generation in UK. I am very light have been mistaken for looking Italian etc. I am very secular and mix very easily with English, I studied here etc. But I assure you that it is not just my cynicism but there is subliminal undercurrents of anti Muslim behaviour in UK and Europe. We can not hide our Muslim names

If they tell a lie and we prove they lie they say oh that is a mistake, in our case the reverse is true. Whenever they can give benefit of doubt to non Muslims they always do. Whatever you may believe about Turkish application to EEC and whatever excuses they give I believe it is because simply they do not like Muslims but they pretend they are neutral

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Look, most people of Cyprus are not Turkish, they are Orthodox Greeks. Both in northern and southern cyprus, till today, they are 70-80% Greek Orthodox. How can you claim the military Junta did not represent the majority?



These are documented facts, I'd suggest you to verify by multiple sources. Turkey did roughly the same thing as Israel did. Displaced Greek Cypriots from northern cyprus properties to Southern cyprus and Greece. Then imported Turks from Turkish mainland to live in vacated properties.Recently, they said they are considering annexing their illegally occupied territory. Something that is very similar to Israel.



This is achievable by ending illegal Turkish occupation, merging north and south Cyprus into one independent, sovereign republic. Then give control of whole cyprus to a parliamentary democracy whose members would be elected by the cypriots themselves.

I have no idea about the figures but even in case they are true, the Greek military junta could not represent that majority, you introduced.

As you mentioned there are lots of documents but as well counter-documents.

Turkish occupation should be ended but before that some security issues should be solved for Turkish inhabitants, This is my opinion.

I am not backing Turkey's army action but the Greek military junta activity can not be classified as a democratic solution.

 

[mehmeTcc]

There are future plans to establish a Turkish air base which has capability to launch space rockets in Cyprus. As for population, Turks from homeland already balanced it.

Turkey will remain in the island, and will not go back.

 

[lem34]

Turkish occupation should be ended but before that some security issues should be solved for Turkish inhabitants, This is my opinion.

Why Turkish occupation should end. It should only end if they have 100% guarantee that what happened before can not happen.

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Why Turkish occupation should end. It should only end if they have 100% guarantee that what happened before can not happen.

Ok, my dear friend, take it easy. I am not a high level Turkey's army officer. Those are just a personal opinion.
But please let us to have a second look at that personal opinion. In my statement after the word "ended" there is the word "but" and not a "dot (.)" and the sentence after that means "The Turkish inhabitants should not be unsecured." which with some "take it easy" process could be translated as "to have 100% guarantee that what happened before, should not happen again"

 

[saiyan0321]

well this was long over due since after the break up i think most people in turkic cyprus would consider themselves turkish and if the government is under influence and the defence is controlled by turkey then go ahead

Why Turkish occupation should end. It should only end if they have 100% guarantee that what happened before can not happen.

thats never going to happen greeks and turks will still have the bitterness of 1974 irrespective of who did what considering this cyprus should most probably be divided and kept that way since making it one will create the same amount of bloodshed probably or they can join turkey which could be a good choice since most people in turkic cyprus are turks and cyprus can become a province

 

[King Solomon]

S-19 I normally see eye to eye with you. On this occasion I beg to differ. Even you admit that this was down to provocation to the Greeks. I have had a look at reports since and it is difficult to verify much other than that all sides agree it was the Greeks that started this mess. So I would under these circumstances following my normal inclination not to believe western propaganda against Muslim countries am inclined to stand firmly behind the Turkish side. In any event no matter what I said Pakistan govt and a majority of Pakistanis feel great affinity to Turks and will back Turkeys position

Sure, you are entitled to your own opinion and I do respect it. I'm not saying that Turkey did not have any reason to intervene. However, what they did after invasion is the concern.