چترال میں فکری آپریشن رادلفساد: شاہی مسجدکےامام خلیق الزمان کوپاکستان کاسلام

[M. Sarmad]

Salute to the brave man.

However, the Imam had to go into hiding immediately afterwards and the enraged mob burnt his car.

The "Frankenstein" monster we created is out of control...

 

[Arsalan]

et too brutus

I hate them as much as i hate the extremists on the other side of it, the Mullah extremists. To me, it is the extremists of all shapes and sizes that are source of the problem. They may come in shape of Asma Jhangir or Baitullah Mehsud.

 

[Hell hound]

I hate them as much as i hate the extremists on the other side of it, the Mullah extremists. To me, it is the extremists of all shapes and sizes that are source of the problem. They may come in shape of Asma Jhangir or Baitullah Mehsud.

at least brother we liberals don't kill anyone neither do we prompt someone to do it
and when did asma become liberal she is against almost every thing we stand for.

 

[M. Sarmad]

at least brother we liberals don't kill anyone
and when did asma become liberal she is against almost every thing we stand for.

Asma Jehangir's major crime is that she is an outspoken woman in a male dominated society who is not afraid of expressing her views openly. And another unpardonable sin of Asma is that she is (alleged to be) an Ahmadi... Everyone is entitled to their opinion ... But she isn't inciting people to violence/murder, or waging a war against the state of Pakistan .... Declaring her as wrong as Baitullah Mehsud only shows that how deep rooted prejudice and bigotry are in many minds ....

 

[Hell hound]

Asma Jehangir's major crime is that she is an outspoken woman in a male dominated society who is not afraid of expressing her views openly. And another unpardonable sin of Asma is that she is (alleged to be) an Ahmadi... Everyone is entitled to their opinion ... But she isn't inciting people to violence/murder, or waging a war against the state of Pakistan .... Declaring her as wrong as Baitullah Mehsud only shows that how deep rooted prejudice and bigotry are in many minds ....

i have no issues with these actions of her as these are her rights and like any other person she should be free to exercise them as long as it isn't harming other person or the national security. the only thing i don't like about her is she is too intolerant of other people views.it contradicts with the one of the most basic value(tolerance) that you need to be called a liberal.

 

[M. Sarmad]

i have no issues with these actions of her as these are her rights and like any other person she should be free to exercise them as long as it isn't harming other person or the national security. the only thing i don't like about her is she is too intolerant of other people views.it contradicts with the one of the most basic value(tolerance) that you need to be called a liberal.

http://herald.dawn.com/news/1153540

 

[Well.wisher]

@RealNapster @Well.wisher don't you guys think it is time for a truce.

I m never in war with khan .

 

[bananarepublic]

i remember when the news was posted on this forum and some of the users here even ridiculed the poor imam here about him being bad etc.
what they dont know is that hes car was torched his life was threatened and people even tried to break in his house
also i heard from a chitrali friend that most of the mob were phatan and the imam was a local chitral he said that the local chitrali are not very violent on such things but the phatan who now live there are ..

 

[Arsalan]

at least brother we liberals don't kill anyone neither do we prompt someone to do it
and when did asma become liberal she is against almost every thing we stand for.

She call herself a liberal, a progresive one at that!!

I am not talking about moderate citizens of our society. Just like Islam teaches moderation and peace the ideology of liberalism does the same. However please note that extremists have penetrated BOTH groups. In the religions sections they have gained much more strength but they will do the same in liberal circles as well unless you are aware of this problem and take preventive actions. Saying that liberals haven't kill or such things is choosing to look the other way. It is just a matter of time they start doing so looking at the way how aggressive and extremist some of the liberal groups are becoming. Those who have liberal views in there true sense and follow them wont find themselves on a head on clash path with any religion to be honest. However, just like we twisted the teachings and meanings of Islam, the philosophy of liberalism is also being reshaped.

In short, what we require is MODERATION, you can do that in name or liberalism or in name of religion (and both are possible if followed in its true sense!) but as long as that is achieved there will be peace in society.

Asma Jehangir's major crime is that she is an outspoken woman in a male dominated society who is not afraid of expressing her views openly. And another unpardonable sin of Asma is that she is (alleged to be) an Ahmadi... Everyone is entitled to their opinion ... But she isn't inciting people to violence/murder, or waging a war against the state of Pakistan .... Declaring her as wrong as Baitullah Mehsud only shows that how deep rooted prejudice and bigotry are in many minds ....

Have some guts to tag me when you are replying to one of my posts indirectly.

Asma Jhangir's crime is not that she is out spoken or an Ahmadi (that was never mentioned but you though of bringing it up. That shows the third grade mentality and bigotry on your part for sure if you are differentiating people based on there religion)
Her crime is that she is a anti-Nationalist. She can only be heard talking AGAINST Islamic values and laws, our state institutions, our people and our system. I will change my views about her, without any hesitation, the day i find her to be striking balance in what she says and judging all the communities by one same standard. The day she starts calling the atrocities in Kashmir and Syria and Burma as such. Till that, it is quite evident that her one and only aim is to malign Pakistan. She is an extremist in her views and if you are talking about that attitude and the point of view, she is just as bad as any other TTP goon/thug!!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion ...

But only as long as that is the same as YOURS?
Because if not you will call that prejudice and bigotry!!!

TOLERANCE works both way dear!!
It is not the name of agreeing with someone when he says something that you believe in!!
It is TOLERATING his views when you DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM without calling names. Have some shame, at least be true to your own ideology.

 

[Hell hound]

I m never in war with khan .

glad to hear that.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Asma Jhangir's crime is not that she is out spoken or an Ahmadi (that was never mentioned but you though of bringing it up. That shows the third grade mentality and bigotry on your part for sure if you are differentiating people based on there religion)
Her crime is that she is a anti-Nationalist. She can only be heard talking AGAINST Islamic values and laws, our state institutions, our people and our system. I will change my views about her, without any hesitation, the day i find her to be striking balance in what she says and judging all the communities by one same standard. The day she starts calling the atrocities in Kashmir and Syria and Burma as such. Till that, it is quite evident that her one and only aim is to malign Pakistan. She is an extremist in her views and if you are talking about that attitude and the point of view, she is just as bad as any other TTP goon/thug!!

She is not anti-nationalist. Criticizing one's own country, far from being a "crime", is the highest form of patriotism. But you lot are hate-filled and your sense of self-righteousness won't ever let you understand/accept a POV other than your own....... Who are you to distribute certificates of anti-nationalism/patriotism??

Again, declaring Asma Jehangir (a prominent human rights activist who served as United Nations Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion and has received many national and international awards) to be as wrong as Baitullah Mehsud (a terrorist waging war against the state of Pakistan who is responsible for the death of thousands of Pakistani civilians and soldiers) only shows that how deep rooted prejudice and bigotry are in many minds. No wonder Pakistan is in such a mess

But only as long as that is the same as YOURS?
Because if not you will call that prejudice and bigotry!!!

TOLERANCE works both way dear!!

Intolerance of intolerance is not inconsistent with the spirit of tolerance.

.......... Saying that liberals haven't kill or such things is choosing to look the other way. It is just a matter of time they start doing so looking at the way how aggressive and extremist some of the liberal groups are becoming.

^^ Unwarranted assumptions

 

[Arsalan]

She is not anti-nationalist. Criticizing one's own country, far from being a "crime", is the highest form of patriotism. But you lot are hate-filled and your sense of self-righteousness won't ever let you understand/accept a POV other than your own....... Who are you to distribute certificates of anti-nationalism/patriotism??

What?
You can call people bigots as it is your point of view about them but i cannot call them the same because who am i to say so?
IN short, your tolerance levels are only for things that you are in agreement to begin with, the moment someone is disagreeing with you he becomes "you lot", a "bigot" and an "extremist"!! THIS IS WHAT YOUR LIBERALISM IS ALL ABOUT, thankfully it is far from what liberalism actually is. Calling others extremists and staying happy in that bubble! Kudos!! That is what extremism is and you fail to understand that associating the word with religion alone.

As for that Asma lady, constructive criticism is something i always will appreciate. However when done for the sake of ridiculing the nation, its culture, its laws and values, well, that is NOT PATRIOTISM. It is not meant to CORRECT the thing but just to bash the WRONGS. There is a difference. She does exactly that and as i said, the day she will find that balance in her approach and will start calling all wrongs as wrongs and all rights as rights, i wont hesitate supporting her at all.

 

[M. Sarmad]

What?
You can call people bigots as it is your point of view about them but i cannot call them the same because who am i to say so?
IN short, your tolerance levels are only for things that you are in agreement to begin with, the moment someone is disagreeing with you he becomes "you lot", a "bigot" and an "extremist"!! THIS IS WHAT YOUR LIBERALISM IS ALL ABOUT, thankfully it is far from what liberalism actually is. Calling others extremists and staying happy in that bubble! Kudos!! That is what extremism is and you fail to understand that associating the word with religion alone.

As for that Asma lady, constructive criticism is something i always will appreciate. However when done for the sake of ridiculing the nation, its culture, its laws and values, well, that is NOT PATRIOTISM. It is not meant to CORRECT the thing but just to bash the WRONGS. There is a difference. She does exactly that and as i said, the day she will find that balance in her approach and will start calling all wrongs as wrongs and all rights as rights, i wont hesitate supporting her at all.

I didn't call anyone a "bigot" .. Read again

Intolerance of terrorism and extremism is not inconsistent with the spirit of tolerance (Islam as well)

And read this slowly and carefully to understand my point:

Declaring Asma Jehangir (a prominent human rights activist who served as United Nations Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion and has received many national and international awards) to be as wrong as Baitullah Mehsud (a terrorist waging war against the state of Pakistan who is responsible for the death of thousands of Pakistani civilians and soldiers) only shows that how deep rooted prejudice and bigotry are in many minds. No wonder Pakistan is in such a mess

 

[Zibago]

Asma Jehangir's major crime is that she is an outspoken woman in a male dominated society who is not afraid of expressing her views openly. And another unpardonable sin of Asma is that she is (alleged to be) an Ahmadi... Everyone is entitled to their opinion ... But she isn't inciting people to violence/murder, or waging a war against the state of Pakistan .... Declaring her as wrong as Baitullah Mehsud only shows that how deep rooted prejudice and bigotry are in many minds ....

This is not about her gender or religion but her ideology

Asma Jehangir

Um isnt she the same person who said Iranian activists should speak more against their state?

to be as wrong as Baitullah Mehsud (a terrorist waging war against the state of Pakistan who is responsible for the death of thousands of Pakistani civilians and soldiers)

She is not as bad as him i put her in the category of potential Tarik Fateh types

criticism

But in most cases her criticism is criticism for the sake of it devoid of substance

She has a habit of labeling every single protest against pmln as isi funded she demonizes anti nawaz people,calls them names
Her voice is low on Kashmir but amplified on issues in other Muslim areas

 

[Arsalan]

And read this slowly and carefully to understand my point:

Declaring Asma Jehangir (a prominent human rights activist who served as United Nations Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion and has received many national and international awards) to be as wrong as Baitullah Mehsud (a terrorist waging war against the state of Pakistan who is responsible for the death of thousands of Pakistani civilians and soldiers) only shows that how deep rooted prejudice and bigotry are in many minds. No wonder Pakistan is in such a mess

Its like banging my head against the wall but still, see the part in red and may be, just may be you will realize what you did wrong.

Intolerance of terrorism and extremism is not inconsistent with the spirit of tolerance (Islam as well)

Intolerance of TERRORISM and extremism was not what happened here. It was a statement, a point of view expressed just like your own to which you reacted. As for extremism and terrorism, you yourself have rightly pointed out that intolerance to these it is not inconsistent with the teachings of ISLAM.