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it's not pained by japan in qing dynasty, i will show you how japan pained in ming dynasty and in qing dynasty

lol, just say there's no sources, sounds like japan government said there's no sources show that japan army forced women be comfort women, how silly you are
Are you sure.

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Linking the issue of comfort women with a classical record book, I shall really call you Lord Goddamn-Freaking-Genius.

Your holiness Lord Goddamn-Freaking-Genius, allow me to remind you that the book you mentioned before is also a Japanese book, also there are 3 Chinese characters 支 那 人 on the book title.:cheesy:
 
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don't you know 十从十不从? Ten allowed ten not allowed?
Some be allowed some be not allowed, because opera , many opera talk about history before qing dynasty, so they can not act opera without hanfu, and for monk, because later manchu belive in buddha , so they allowed too, and they not kille monk too, that's why han people shaved hair and pretened monk , but later manchu soldier found that, and killed monk too. do you know all monks over the world never have nine specks on head, why only han monk have on head? because they do this means they are real monk , not normal han chinese pretend monk to avoid be killed, so then manchu soldier didn't kill them later
Don't make excuses you are simply shifting goalposts.

Your quote "because hanfu was banned in qing dynasty",while I showed you that it was only banned in government positions.

I asked for a primary source,the Japanese source you use isn't a primary source,and it doesn't quote primary sources either
 
Don't make excuses you are simply shifting goalposts.

Your quote "because hanfu was banned in qing dynasty",while I showed you that it was only banned in government positions.

I asked for a primary source,the Japanese source you use isn't a primary source,and it doesn't quote primary sources either
stop making excuse, hanfu was banned in qing dynasty, you have no right to mislead others and deny history

Don't make excuses you are simply shifting goalposts.

Your quote "because hanfu was banned in qing dynasty",while I showed you that it was only banned in government positions.

I asked for a primary source,the Japanese source you use isn't a primary source,and it doesn't quote primary sources either
i showed you lots sources, but you ignore them. what's your point?
 

"Only one" you say?
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stop making excuse, hanfu was banned in qing dynasty, you have no right to mislead others and deny history
Cognitive dissonance,you admit that the supposed ban of Hanfu didn't apply Taoists Priests and Buddhist Monks as well as Chinese opera.

i showed you lots sources, but you ignore them. what's your point?
Do you or do not you not understand what a primary source is?
 
stop making excuse, hanfu was banned in qing dynasty, you have no right to mislead others and deny history


i showed you lots sources, but you ignore them. what's your point?

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[金珠衣飾,書籍器皿,遍列通衢,其價甚賤。有錢買歸者,後獲大利。新太守張(按:張銚,偃 師人)住進士陳子龍宅。華亭縣陳鑑、海防楊之易,即忠臣楊漣長子,時雖剃髮,猶漢人衣冠,烏紗大帶,不改舊服也。餘以丁艱,不與科試,兼欲告閒,而同袍之 告退者不一人。學師欲索重價,餘以力綿中止。九月十三日,督鎮李成棟點驗各兵,餘與曹馳尹儒冠往觀之。李尚烏紗玉帶,用八座大轎,抬於門首,馬步卒皆疾趨 而過,軍威嚴肅,莫可名狀。]

--《乙酉筆記》


Disappearance of Hanfu

In the year of 1644 Manchus invaded China and seized power of the Han Chinese regime. Then they built a new regime: Qing Dynasty. To destroy the identity of Han ethnic and Chinese culture. Manchu rulers has issued a decree: "Shave hair and Change costume(剃发易服)". This has led to strong opposition and revolt of the Han Chinese. This led to severe penalties and bloody suppression of the Qing government.


Do you even know what does the word "disappearance" mean.
 
Except that the Manchus didn't systematically wipe out Hanfu and your claim is based on secondary sources.

If this were true why did Chinese opera flourish during the Qing?

Why were Taoist Priests and Buddhist Monks allowed to wear Hanfu?

Why are there existing paintings of average Han wearing Hanfu?

Why are there portraits of Qianlong wearing Hanfu?

If you want to be so close to the ancient/medieval Han why don't you let your hair grow long,bind the foot of your female relatives,ingest mercury for longevity,refuse to live in modern day housing etc.

Why selectively pick Hanfu?
Off topic a bit,a few years ago,I dislike the traditional operas,but now more and more I really enjoy the traditional operas,in Qing dynasty,the operas were loved by people from emperor to common people(for example,empress dowager Cixi was a famous opera fan),because the operas' roots in the people,it's the people's art.However in our time,the youth people aren't interested in traditions,they like the popular culture.Things like traditional operas are real traditions,but the Hanfu fans seem don't care
And when I come into Beijing first time,I really can't enjoy 豆汁,but now I really like to drink 豆汁 with 焦圈,the old Beijing people really can enjoy lives,the culture exist among the people,some people just can't understand
 
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[金珠衣飾,書籍器皿,遍列通衢,其價甚賤。有錢買歸者,後獲大利。新太守張(按:張銚,偃 師人)住進士陳子龍宅。華亭縣陳鑑、海防楊之易,即忠臣楊漣長子,時雖剃髮,猶漢人衣冠,烏紗大帶,不改舊服也。餘以丁艱,不與科試,兼欲告閒,而同袍之 告退者不一人。學師欲索重價,餘以力綿中止。九月十三日,督鎮李成棟點驗各兵,餘與曹馳尹儒冠往觀之。李尚烏紗玉帶,用八座大轎,抬於門首,馬步卒皆疾趨 而過,軍威嚴肅,莫可名狀。]

--《乙酉筆記》
哈哈,想黑汉服?没门,这篇文章因为涉及到汉服历史,给你们有借口误导人,现在我不会提到满清的历史,你要是再敢来喷,那么你就站不住脚了,到时候看看谁笑到最后
 
Every dynasty imposed their own rules on the populace,every dynasty butchered innocent people,every dynasty becomes mired in corruption then disintegrates.

Singling out the Manchus is simple scapegoating them,if you want to succumb to your persecution complex that Manchus are out to get us Han Chinese then do so.

It wasn't illegal to intermarry between Han and Manchu bannermen.
Every dynasty imposed their own rules on the populace,every dynasty butchered innocent people,every dynasty becomes mired in corruption then disintegrates.

Singling out the Manchus is simple scapegoating them,if you want to succumb to your persecution complex that Manchus are out to get us Han Chinese then do so.

It wasn't illegal to intermarry between Han and Manchu bannermen.
单独摘出来说满族,是因为它与汉服的消亡关系很大。历代王朝更迭确实有屠杀,但他们中没有任何一个异族强行剥去了汉族的民族标识并组止xian
 
One thing I don't understand is that why when a nation wants to restore its original culture and way of life, trying to awake others that forgot about their soul origin, and then suddenly some people even do not belong to this nation jump out to go against it and try their best to make other ignorant people be convinced that what they are doing and saying is right?

Hanfu movement is just like what any other countries or peoples in the world trying to save what their ancestor had created and passed through generation to generation. And, it is only within Han people, plus without any compulsory action.

As it is known by the world, ancient China got great reputation in the past, Han Dynasty, Tang Dynasty, Song Dynasty and Ming Dynasty are all the up-going period with the government controlled by Han people. We developed our culture excessively and created many advancing weapons and ways to observe the universe. At that time, Chinese or to say Han people's spirit and moral were in a highly developed status and continued to develop. We were proud of being Chinese, proud of our own country and treat other people with dignity and politeness. While when history rolls to the Modern time, China fell to the mud. It was surprising for British and French army to discover that the Qing army's weaponry were in such a low level that they only know how to use long knife to cut. And it was also surprising to Chinese when they discovered that weapons created and improved in Ming Dynasty was even better and superior than the weapons used by Qing troops. Yet, all of those were dumped by Qing government, because they thought this is not good to maintain their govern over Han people.

To erase Han people's memory from their prosperous past in order to better control them, Qing Dynasty's governors tried their best to kill those who wouldn't change their costume and hairstyle in a way that is much more cruel even compared with the massacre Japanese army did in Nanking.

For the sake of restoring people's confidence toward our country and toward our nation, young generation of China, especially young people of Han, call on people to recognize what our culture is, to get back and think about what should we do to be a nation with confidence, dignity, friendliness and open minded.

Plus, Hanfu itself is beautiful and easy to let people love it, why not making it a symbol to this Hanfu movement, right? It's sort of like the flagship species to persuade people protect a certain place. Hanfu itself cannot be anything but a style of clothes, but Hanfu movement is far more than that.

Oh, one more thing, Hanfu movement got nothing to do with Falun Gong, since Falun Gong is just an evil religious organization similar with the Peoples Temple in America or the Order of the Solar Temple in Switzerland.:victory1:
 
哈哈,想黑汉服?没门,这篇文章因为涉及到汉服历史,给你们有借口误导人,现在我不会提到满清的历史,你要是再敢来喷,那么你就站不住脚了,到时候看看谁笑到最后

I smell failure from a liar who has been defeated by facts and truth for countless times. :lol:
 
One thing I don't understand is that why when a nation wants to restore its original culture and way of life, trying to awake others that forgot about their soul origin, and then suddenly some people even do not belong to this nation jump out to go against it and try their best to make other ignorant people be convinced that what they are doing and saying is right?

Hanfu movement is just like what any other countries or peoples in the world trying to save what their ancestor had created and passed through generation to generation. And, it is only within Han people, plus without any compulsory action.

As it is known by the world, ancient China got great reputation in the past, Han Dynasty, Tang Dynasty, Song Dynasty and Ming Dynasty are all the up-going period with the government controlled by Han people. We developed our culture excessively and created many advancing weapons and ways to observe the universe. At that time, Chinese or to say Han people's spirit and moral were in a highly developed status and continued to develop. We were proud of being Chinese, proud of our own country and treat other people with dignity and politeness. While when history rolls to the Modern time, China fell to the mud. It was surprising for British and French army to discover that the Qing army's weaponry were in such a low level that they only know how to use long knife to cut. And it was also surprising to Chinese when they discovered that weapons created and improved in Ming Dynasty was even better and superior than the weapons used by Qing troops. Yet, all of those were dumped by Qing government, because they thought this is not good to maintain their govern over Han people.

To erase Han people's memory from their prosperous past in order to better control them, Qing Dynasty's governors tried their best to kill those who wouldn't change their costume and hairstyle in a way that is much more cruel even compared with the massacre Japanese army did in Nanking.

For the sake of restoring people's confidence toward our country and toward our nation, young generation of China, especially young people of Han, call on people to recognize what our culture is, to get back and think about what should we do to be a nation with confidence, dignity, friendliness and open minded.

Plus, Hanfu itself is beautiful and easy to let people love it, why not making it a symbol to this Hanfu movement, right? It's sort of like the flagship species to persuade people protect a certain place. Hanfu itself cannot be anything but a style of clothes, but Hanfu movement is far more than that.

Oh, one more thing, Hanfu movement got nothing to do with Falun Gong, since Falun Gong is just an evil religious organization similar with the Peoples Temple in America or the Order of the Solar Temple in Switzerland.:victory1:
Yes, you are right, i don't know why some people want mislead others. and even equal hanfu movement to fa lun gong, if so, why falun gong is banned in china, and hanfu movement not? we just want find back our own culture, and others nations all support , but some people always against, it is strange

I smell failure from a liar who has been defeated by facts and truth for countless times. :lol:
a liar always has no reason but mislead others and say others are liar, 贼喊捉贼( a thief called others thieves) is perfect to describe your behavior
 
It was surprising for British and French army to discover that the Qing army's weaponry were in such a low level that they only know how to use long knife to cut. And it was also surprising to Chinese when they discovered that weapons created and improved in Ming Dynasty was even better and superior than the weapons used by Qing troops. Yet, all of those were dumped by Qing government, because they thought this is not good to maintain their govern over Han people.

Could you please provide source of this story please?

a liar always has no reason but mislead others and say others are liar, 贼喊捉贼( a thief called others thieves) is perfect to describe your behavior

Answer the question at #383 first before talking big, mr.liar:lol:
 
Could you please provide source of this story please?
stop misleading others , i have given you lots sources, but you all ignored , and what you do now is just like some government deny comfort women, and said, did you have sources show that we forced women be comfort women, same way you are doing now
 

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