Traditional chinese costume . We eliminate your misunderstanding of Chinese costume and hairstyle.

[Andrei]

With people like Sonyuke_Songpaisan,you already can understand why I worry this movement
I don't know why they blame the Manchus for the loss of female Hanfu?Because it's very clear,the Manchus never forbidden the Han Chinese females to wear their own clothing,the Qing policy was 男从女不从
And Sonyuke_Songpaisan said 现在中国文化机构很多被满族把持吧,do you find it's similar to Nazis said about the Jews?Manchus controlled everything,they are evil.The Jews controlled everything,they are evil.I can't find the difference between these two.
Most of those Han ultra-nationalists come from Guangdong,Zhejiang and southern China,have little chance to communicate with Manchus in real life

and more , just watch this , what did hongkong media said, and what are chinese worring about now, it is time that chinese should worry about it, not manchu
Chinese Cry : We hate Qing emperors !!

 

[sahaliyan]

I also can say the German hairstyle is ugly,why should Chinese care what the whites think?
This video created by Manchus?Do you have proof?Even it's true,I even see some people want to creat independent Guangdong or something,should we care?I just view those as jokes.The Qing dynasty is Chinese,no one can deny that,bacause the Qing elites call their country as 中国 or Dulimbai gurun

 

[Snomannen]

kirovairship is a Manchu?He seems a Han
And you can dislike the Manchus,please don't insult the Manchu dress as ugly

Every single one who doesn't follow their might sense are "滿遺"

You can never reason with a racist since their brain is full for their own imagination~

 

[sahaliyan]

and more , just watch this , what did hongkong media said, and what are chinese worring about now, it is time that chinese should worry about it, not manchu
Chinese Cry : We hate Qing emperors !!

Now I'm give up,you win,congratulations,bye bye

 

[Snomannen]

It's not Manchu should worry about fulture, but Chinese should, because many manchu never forget their history, they still want rule china, and they never admitte Qing is China, and they want rebuild Manchu theirselves country --Manchuria
Just look what they did
Manchu history - Qing Is NOT China

I know you people like to watch silly videos (even made by "anti-China forces") which doesn't have any reference and sources because of your lack of knowledge and too lazy to read a tangible book:

「……凡山南一帶，流入黑龍江之溪河，盡屬中國。山北一帶之溪河，盡屬鄂羅斯……將流入黑龍江之額爾古納河為界，河之南岸屬於中國，河之北岸屬於鄂羅斯……中國所有鄂羅斯之人，鄂羅斯所有中國之人，仍留不必遣還……」《尼布楚條約》

Once again it has proved that the "Hanfu Party" is sided with "anti-China forces".

 

[Andrei]

Taiwanese leader

what you showed just tell the world why chinese worry now, because even chinese leader forget our own culture, and wear manchu clothing worship Confucius, but confucius said china's clothing is Hanfu, others nation's clothing are Barbarian，so president ma wear a barbarian clothing worship confucius, funny? confucius will angry about it

 

[Snomannen]

I am curious, do people here really equate foreign invasion and killing by invaders with internal conflicts? Gee, I guess China, Japan should just invade North Koreans and even kill North Koreans since the Kim regime is starving and torturing its own people. What a horrible thought. Or to a less extreme measure, maybe Russia just invade Ukraine. Or China should invade Indonesia when their Indonesians were fighting each other.

Gee, the good thing that I have put all those crazy people on ignore and stay away from this nonsensical debate. Nobody can convince anybody in online debates. In real life, the best solution on such issues thus is to be put on vote by the people and then people who disagree take the case to constitutional court to decide whether any measures taken are unconstitutional.

Tell me which time and space you are living, if you are living in Ming dynasty, then the invasion of Qing can be for sure considered as foreign invasion. If you are living in 2014, just read the post above and stop making false metaphor.

 

[Huaren]

That was just a joke, just like that one "French flag is white flag", you don't actually need to be that serious.

I would like to thank you first for not behaving like some of the other members here who like to call the others "stupid" and "crazy" instead of making reasonable conversation. And then, with respect, I would like to point out the false metaphor you have made:

You said that "back then Manchurian were not yet integrated into China properly". It's true -If only you admit that:

People of Chu: 「我蠻夷也，不與中國之號諡。」《史記》

Southern Song: 「其地雖要為偏方，然未有偏方之氣五六百年而不發洩者，況其東通吳會，西連巴蜀，南極湖湘，北控關洛，左右伸縮，皆足以為進取之機。 今誠能開墾其地，洗濯其人，以發洩其氣而用之，使足以接關洛之氣，則可以爭衡於中國矣，是亦形勢消長之常數也。」《宋史》

People of Wu & Shu during the Three Kingdoms：「今中國勞力，亦吳、蜀之所願。」; 「若能以吳、越之眾與中國抗衡，不如早與之絕。」

were also "not yet integrated into China properly".

We all know that their identity and "nationality" were no doubt "Chinese", but why would we call them "Chinese" even though Chu people clearly denied both the title of "China 中國" and "Chinese culture 中原文化". Because, back in those days, there wasn't a single ancient nation officially named themselves "China 中國". In other word, a country officially called "China 中國" didn't exist. During the past, "China" wasn't even a name of a state, but a title for the "rightful regime of the middleland 中原正統王朝" (that's why southern Song called Jin dynasty "China") or a geographical concept until Qing dynasty has given a new definition to the word "China 中國" :

「進入清代以後，雖然清朝直轄的18個省依然以「中國」稱之，而「天下」也保持著泛化的指稱政令實施範圍的含義。但「中國」卻有了指稱清朝疆域的用法， 「天下」與「中國」出現了重合的傾向。一個明顯的例證即是中俄《尼布楚條約》的簽訂。康熙二十八年，為了解決沙俄向東擴張而引發的邊界爭端，清朝和沙俄簽 訂了具有現代國際法水準的邊界條約----- 《尼布楚條約》。清朝依據《尼布楚條約》所立界碑全文為：「大清國遣大臣與鄂羅斯國議定邊界之碑：一，將由北流入黑龍江之綽爾納，即烏倫穆河，相近格爾必 齊河為界。循此河上流不毛之地，有石大興安以至於海。凡山南一帶，流入黑龍江之溪河，盡屬中國。山北一帶之溪河，盡屬鄂羅斯。一，將流入黑龍江之額爾古納 河為界，河之南岸屬於中國，河之北岸屬於鄂羅斯.......中國所有鄂羅斯之人，鄂羅斯所有中國之人，仍留不必遣還... ....」 很顯然，在條約中「清朝」和「中國」是可以互稱的，「中國」已經具有了一個近現代主權國家的含義。該條約的滿文、俄文、拉丁文本也都是如此。也就是說，最 遲到康熙時期，「中國」已經成為一個多民族統一國家的稱呼，中華各民族也由此開始以一個主權國家----- 中國的身份活動於世界舞台。」－－《「中國」與「天下」的重合》

Nowadays 中國 is obviously an official name of your country which is found by 56 Chinese ethnic groups. In other word, these 56 Chinese ethnic groups together own the history of China and the nations found by any of these ethnics in modern China were obviously ancient Chinese nations.

I know some people will argue that: "we also have Russian in our ethnic groups, doesn't that make Russia's history our history?". These kind of people clearly don't know anything about the difference between ethnic and nationality. For instance, the founders of Yuan dynasty were the ancestors of Inner Mongolian (Golden Family), not Russian Mongolian nor Outer Mongolian, therefore Russian Mongolian and Outer Mongolian have no right to claim our Yuan dynasty. Besides, the rulers of Yuan dynasty clearly claim the successor of all the ancient Chinese dynasties, from 三皇五帝 to 唐.

Moreover, Manchurian ancestors were natives of North-East China, they were subjects of Ming dynasty and Nurhachu was even an Ming officer. The war between Ming and Qing (which were both considered as Chinese dynasties) was just one of the conflicts in Chinese history, so how could "Manchurian were not yet integrated into China properly". Besides, wouldn't you think that the Chu people who denied the identity and culture of "Chinese people" committed aggressive actions to the other warrior states is also considered as "external invasion", but we all know that the people of the 7 states has later become Han people. The invasion of Qing to Ming was indeed "external", but we all know that Han and Manchurian people are both given the Chinese nationalist nowadays. They are obviously in the "same party" and it will be unreasonable to compared our own cases with Japanese nor westerners.

You would be partly right about Han and Manchurian people to be defined as "Chinese people" looking from todays perspective, however history moves foward, not backward. First of all it would be wrong to use Chu people or example from three kingdoms periodes as analogy, as you have certainly realized, the socalled three kingdoms were fragments of the united han empire, even regions of wu and shu have been integreted for centuries, even partly predates the han dynasty to the previous Qin kingdoms, and even in the southern wu regions with exception of the native tribes, the most settlers who called themselves Wu people during the three kingdom periodes have connection with culture of Han dynasty all the way back to the previous warring states, Most if not all of them had roots being the heirs of zhou dynasty, Wu, Shu and central plain chinese do not consider eachother as external babarians like Xianbei from the north or shanyue tribes from the south. You are probably right about the term of China "being" vague, it is quite likely that when wu and shu mentioned "China" they meant the state in central plain as being rival faction, and they wont forsake their common identity as heirs of Han dynasty.

Manchurian ancestors were natives of "further" North-East China, in fact as one of late comers to join up chinese family it wasnt until the later years of conflicts between Song and Liao dynasties when Manchurian ancestors first made their introduction, The jurchen Jin dynasty was founded on the back of their horse, true to the way of savage warriors which are to be considered by the Song as "yet another" nomadic conquerer aka. uncivilized foreign barbarians, as the Khitans of Liao were forced to take their leave. However Jurchen(as Khitans) have shown great interest in Chinese culture and put effort to make adaptions to remodel their state structure, also they got corrupted and decadent pretty fast because of all the luxury they have found here in the south. However their transformation was violently interrupted by the rise of mongolians. On the other hand the real ancestors of Manchurians were those who never left the northeast region and some who have returned with the faint idea of being the rulers of central plain. Before the rise of Manchurians under the banner of Qing dynasty they were in the process to intergrate the useful elements from the "southerners", state structure, technology and tactics, but at the same time they were still more conscious about their own identity, the real melting process did take its times.

 

[Snomannen]

what you showed just tell the world why chinese worry now, because even chinese leader forget our own culture, and wear manchu clothing worship Confucius, but confucius said china's clothing is Hanfu, others nation's clothing are Barbarian，so president ma wear a barbarian clothing worship confucius, funny? confucius will angry about it

I'm not sure if Confucius will get mad just because of those nice, comfortable clothing, but one thing for sure is that he will slap you in the face if you have the same "barbarian" hairstyle as your avatar has in reality.

 

[Andrei]

Why are they brown? I just see traditional costumes and no ideology behind it. If girls wear dirndls here in Germany, nobody would think of Nazis.

I am in Germany, and i did a blog in german website too, and in fact in germany, chinese students founded a hanfu orgnisation too. By the way.

Eigentlich, sie ist Mandschu , deshalb hat sie Angst davor, dass Chinesen ihre eignen traditionelle Kultur wiederbeleben. Und sie kann das nicht akzeptieren, was seine Vorfahre in China gemacht. Deutschland ist ein Land, das die Kultur respektiert. Aber in China ist ganz anders. Wenn Chinesen unsere Kultur wiederbeleben möchten, werde die Mandschu immer da gegen. das ist sehr traurig.

 

[cnleio]

and more , just watch this , what did hongkong media said, and what are chinese worring about now, it is time that chinese should worry about it, not manchu
Chinese Cry : We hate Qing emperors !!

Whatever u hate Qing or love it, now Manchus is assimilated by Han Chinese, they speak Mandarin. And Qing emperors left a BIG China lands to Chinese including XinJiang and Tibet, much bigger than Ming and Song dynasty.

 

[Andrei]

Every single one who doesn't follow their might sense are "滿遺"

You can never reason with a racist since their brain is full for their own imagination~

no matter who you are, you are not chinese, so called banana man.

 

[Snomannen]

I am in Germany, and i did a blog in german website too, and in fact in germany, chinese students founded a hanfu orgnisation too. By the way.

Eigentlich, sie ist Mandschu , deshalb hat sie Angst davor, dass Chinesen ihre eignen traditionelle Kultur wiederbeleben. Und sie kann das nicht akzeptieren, was seine Vorfahre in China gemacht. Deutschland ist ein Land, das die Kultur respektiert. Aber in China ist ganz anders. Wenn Chinesen unsere Kultur wiederbeleben möchten, werde die Mandschu immer da gegen. das ist sehr traurig.

Quatsch mit Sosse.

@Götterdämmerung

What did I told you? Still think that what you are looking at is just a simple clothing~?

 

[Andrei]

Did I say anything about good Nazis? You were the one who started with the Nazi stuffs, while I just wanted to see more beautiful costumes.

Übrigens, ich habe Hanfu auf wikipedia deutsch geschrieben, um die chinesische Kultur und traditionelle Kostüm vorzustellen. Aber die Mandschu hat es immer geändert und verfälscht. was sie gemacht haben, ist sehr unfreundlich. Asien Geschichte ist sehr komplex. Wir wollen gut zu bekommen, wie in Europa. Jede respektiert die andere . Aber das ist leider unmöglich, viele viele Leute immer da gegen.
19. Jahrhundert, hat Pierre de Coubertin die Olympischen Spiele wiederbelebt, die seit 500 Jahren tot war. weil Olympischen Spiele war schon lange Zeit von Leute vergessen. Und Coubertin hat es wiederbelebt. Weil das ist ein kultur der Menschen, wir können die nicht verlieren.


20. Jahrhundert, hat Eliezer Ben-Yehuda die hebräische Sprache wiederbelebt, die seit 2000 Jahren tot war. Hebräische sprache ist die Sprache von Judischen, das ist auch wertvolle Kulturerbe von Judischen, und Hanfu ist auch wertvolle Kulturerbe Chinas

 

[Snomannen]

no matter who you are, you are not chinese, so called banana man.

I can read classical Chinese, you don't Obviously I'm more "Chinese" than you are~