Top Manufacturing Nations from Now to 2020

[Bussard Ramjet]

Obviously in manufacturing, supply chain matters, that's basic knowledge. The higher the tech, the deeper is the chain, going global if it deem required (and permitted). Say Rheinmetall backing Abrams tank, and Mitsubishi in Patriot missiles. Some hi-tech were even monopolized by a single company, say T800/T1000 from Toray. Other than components, you also got capital goods in the chain like CNC, precision tooling and all sorts of foundry. And yes, on ship building you mentioned, China is go up against SK which dominated advanced LNG carriers.

When you mention foreign companies, top FDI in Mainland are from Hong Kong which accounts for an overwhelming 68% of all (almost half of commercial real estate in Beijing, greater Shanghai and Pearl River Delta invested by HK), followed by Singapore in 2nd place (Suzhou development), Taiwan in 3rd spot (electronics). What's foreign?

The data, interpretation, are from World Bank (like all Bretton Wood org, China is under-represented), according to which China is very much at the top rank, lead by far in overall scale of hi-tech (bigger than US-Japan-Germany combined). So are the patent filings data, industrial design in-force data, from WIPO (World Intellectual Property Org), China leads far ahead in overall scale.

I can understand you don't like these numbers, so what's your version on interpretation of "hi-tech", and associated data? Please share your data & analysis.

I right now have no mega data to cite. I will research and get to you later.

But the point that I raised is really about the complexity and the added value in manufactured stuff.

It is really hard to define high tech, and the definitions may vary even from people to people.

One other failure with that metric is the use of only exports. Let's take a hypothetical case, where I bring in $1 trillion of "high tech" stuff as imports, and then export it back to someone else. According to your data, I would have a $1 trillion export, which doesn't really mean much.

I think the best way to really measure high tech manufacturing is by going into various fields and then figuring out who makes what, and which companies dominate.

As I was talking about shipbuilding, the fact remains, for now atleast, that western/Korean/Japanese companies dominate the high tech areas of shipbuilding.

Firstly, Korean yards still dominate in high complexity ships.

Then, even for the ships that are made in China, many core components, like propulsion etc. are brought either from abroad, or sourced from foreign firms making in China. Almost, all Chinese ships have propulsion from Rolls Royce, Warstila, and others.

This is not to deny your manufacturing prowess, and the rapid increase in manufacturing quality and complexity.

But, it is yet to reach that comparable to say the US.

Also, no one can deny that China's manufacturing is a huge success story, an envy of the whole world, especially that of the developing ones.

 

[Shotgunner51]

sanitation ? are u an Idiot ? dudw there is a reason we are part of 1st world elite group. while your country is 3rdworld shit hall.

even small European country like Slovenia have higher PC income then ur shit hall.

Chinese PCI 8,000-12000 $
Slovenia PCI 20,500$

It's funny, you like talking about excretion alot, you sickly obsessed with this or it's religious? There are a lot of threads about excretion in indian section, go join and have some, you'll love it. You have nothing of substance to say here anyway other than bragging, or fuming anger out of frustration of loosing big time, since this is an industrial thread.


@Oscar @WebMaster @Hu Songshan please "sanitize" this thread, thanks.

 

[Shotgunner51]

I right now have no mega data to cite. I will research and get to you later.

But the point that I raised is really about the complexity and the added value in manufactured stuff.

It is really hard to define high tech, and the definitions may vary even from people to people.

One other failure with that metric is the use of only exports. Let's take a hypothetical case, where I bring in $1 trillion of "high tech" stuff as imports, and then export it back to someone else. According to your data, I would have a $1 trillion export, which doesn't really mean much.

I think the best way to really measure high tech manufacturing is by going into various fields and then figuring out who makes what, and which companies dominate.

As I was talking about shipbuilding, the fact remains, for now atleast, that western/Korean/Japanese companies dominate the high tech areas of shipbuilding.

Firstly, Korean yards still dominate in high complexity ships.

Then, even for the ships that are made in China, many core components, like propulsion etc. are brought either from abroad, or sourced from foreign firms making in China. Almost, all Chinese ships have propulsion from Rolls Royce, Warstila, and others.

This is not to deny your manufacturing prowess, and the rapid increase in manufacturing quality and complexity.

But, it is yet to reach that comparable to say the US.

Also, no one can deny that China's manufacturing is a huge success story, an envy of the whole world, especially that of the developing ones.

China still largest shipbuilder in 2014, slightly ahead of South Korea. However if taken into account of Korean capacity invested overseas, say in Philippines (e.g. Hanjin Heavy Industries' Subic Shipyard), Vietnam (e.g Hyundai Heavy Industries), then South Korea effectively owns the world number one largest shipbuilding capacity.

• Largest shipbuilding nations based on gross tonnage 2014 | Ranking

Yes South Korea and Japan are still leading in advanced shipbuilding, however China is progressively catching up in amazing speed, while holding strong positions in bulk carriers and containership.

By now, Shanghai Hudong-Zhonghua shipyard have completed delivery of all 4 LNG carriers (172,000 m³) to a shipowner JV led by Mitsui OSK Lines (MOL, Japan), a $1 billion dollar deal. In addition to a wide array of ships, advanced LNG carrier becomes a new export product for China shipbuilding industry, competing with existing world leader South Korea in this most hi-tech category of ship.

Hudong-Zhonghua to Build Four LNG Carriers - Ship Technology

Other than LNG carriers, China has a lot of other breakthroughs, check this: Made by China: World's 1st G4 RORO containership delivered

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

China still largest shipbuilder in 2014, slightly ahead of South Korea. However if taken into account of Korean capacity invested overseas, say in Philippines (e.g. Hanjin Heavy Industries' Subic Shipyard), Vietnam (e.g Hyundai Heavy Industries), then South Korea effectively owns the world number one largest shipbuilding capacity.

• Largest shipbuilding nations based on gross tonnage 2014 | Ranking

Yes South Korea and Japan are still leading in advanced shipbuilding, however China is progressively catching up in amazing speed, while holding strong positions in bulk carriers and containership.

By now, Shanghai Hudong-Zhonghua shipyard have completed delivery of all 4 LNG carriers (172,000 m³) to a shipowner JV led by Mitsui OSK Lines (MOL, Japan), a $1 billion dollar deal. In addition to a wide array of ships, advanced LNG carrier becomes a new export product for China shipbuilding industry, competing with existing world leader South Korea in this most hi-tech category of ship.

Hudong-Zhonghua to Build Four LNG Carriers - Ship Technology

Other than LNG carriers, China has a lot of other breakthroughs, check this: Made by China: World's 1st G4 RORO containership delivered

I am completely aware man! I have done some research in this field.

Also, while what you have shown is weight in tonnage, the Korean ships generally make special and complex ships, more so than the Chinese yards.

While, some have started building LNG ships, it is just the start. CSSC has also signed a contract with Carnival for Cruise Liners as well.

Yet, even after that, a lot of auxiliary components still are imported, or are used of foreign companies.

The main case being propulsion, which can take anywhere between 10%-20% of the ship's cost.

Here, almost all Chinese built ships still use propulsion systems from international companies like Rolls Royce, Warstila, Man, etc.

 

[Viva_Viet]

I right now have no mega data to cite. I will research and get to you later.

But the point that I raised is really about the complexity and the added value in manufactured stuff.

It is really hard to define high tech, and the definitions may vary even from people to people.

One other failure with that metric is the use of only exports. Let's take a hypothetical case, where I bring in $1 trillion of "high tech" stuff as imports, and then export it back to someone else. According to your data, I would have a $1 trillion export, which doesn't really mean much.

I think the best way to really measure high tech manufacturing is by going into various fields and then figuring out who makes what, and which companies dominate.

As I was talking about shipbuilding, the fact remains, for now atleast, that western/Korean/Japanese companies dominate the high tech areas of shipbuilding.

Firstly, Korean yards still dominate in high complexity ships.

Then, even for the ships that are made in China, many core components, like propulsion etc. are brought either from abroad, or sourced from foreign firms making in China. Almost, all Chinese ships have propulsion from Rolls Royce, Warstila, and others.

This is not to deny your manufacturing prowess, and the rapid increase in manufacturing quality and complexity.

But, it is yet to reach that comparable to say the US.

Also, no one can deny that China's manufacturing is a huge success story, an envy of the whole world, especially that of the developing ones.

CN,SK use trick ( money manipulation) to boost their export. Daddy US feel unhappy with their trick and soon will put an end to their ' miracle' success.