‘Too upset and angry’: Muslim teen barred from top London school for wearing veil quits

[jamahir]

I see your point but you dont have to be so harsh to her. She is a confused individual and does dispise the west despite living here for legitimate and non legitimate reasons. She is part of the silent majority that looks the other way while the cancer spreads.

i suppose, this thread is really the first time she's being criticized... and by so many... so yes, we should stop now.

edit : and you are accurate about the "callous silent majority".

 

[Dubious]

1. even "mba college" is not written in the quran, but by common sense understanding of quran and islam... that is fowarding of "making money from money"... same as "interest upon loans"... haraam, you will agree... or are they halaal for you??
2. what is your understanding of socialism to be so confident in denying it??

1) What the hell are you talking about?

Quran is not a book which should now teach you how not to hold your breathe longer than you can tolerate coz it could kill you....Common sense really arent very common...

2)When did I deny it? I refused to be labelled coz I am not desperate for the need to be accepted in some category!

You brought that word YOU should define it!

what is this "freedom of choice" you are forwarding??
a few burqa fanatics ( "oh, hijab is my choice, not cumpulsion" types ) and their bearded protectors can aggressively but non-violently bring a sense of fear among ladies who don't want the burqa... but in time, this fear will turn a non-burqa area into one with walking-talking tents.

Again the habit of painting everyone with the same brush is really tiring me out!

the fault of the non-burqa females is that they never learned to talk back to idiots, never learned the quran to know that the obscene "burqa" is not islami at all... rather, it is anti-islam... removing females from public participation... removing their rights that the true islam gave them in the first place.

No we just dont like to go and go crazy like some people about issues which are none of our business! Its not a problem but respect for ones choice!

After reading all your nonesense I have an understanding of your holier than thou attitude and not to mention your attitude of look 1 terrorist with a turban all turban wearers are terrorist is not impressive at all!

you know very well that i meant fatima bhutto... but you maybe you simply didn't want to answer so took the easy escape

No everyone is not obsessed with dead women like you

it is not my business if your religion is "akheilos-ism"... but if it concerns islam or anything else in history, then it is my business.

And we have a winner who wants to stuff his thoughts down one's throats!

I am surprised no one is attacking you yet!

just saw this... kit-katt...

like this...?? mrs. kitkat?? i find the percentages in the below picture rather funny ...

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You edited my post and made your own reply!
Wow lovely...

 

[jbond197]

so what about the hindu communities in western nations carrying forward hindu practices like forced marriages, dowry,honor killing and stupid mythological beliefs ( like the "ganesha drinks milk" episode of madness in 1990's britain )??

What do you mean by forced marriages ? If you are referring to arranged marriages then I don't think Indians in western world are doing much of arranged marriages. Even if a small percentage does arranged marriages then they are not breaking any law or forcing any institution to bend their rules. Forced marriages if they happen are illegal and shoud be punished From what I see it is more common among Muslims. Dowry and Honor killings are illegal even in India and I have not seen a precedence of the same in Western countries anywhere. Btw dowry and honor killings are more prevalent in Islamic society as well. Now Are you declaring Mythological belief against the laws as well? Don;t you have mythological belief like dragon sized ababeel throwing burning stones at armies, Jinn, Jinnat, Flat earth, human beings evolving about of adam hawaa and how exactly Allah gave quaranic verses to Muhammad when nobody even know its shape or form or even if it exisys? All these are as much MYTHOLOGICAL as the mythological stories in other religions but i don't have problem with that as long as they are not used to hurt anyone. Unfortunately Muslims are using the same against innocent people world over.

The Islamic Burqa is considered a big security threat and the followers of Islam themselves have forced people into that impression.

 

[jamahir]

No everyone is not obsessed with dead women like you

the below lady is dead?? why oh why... i was thinking of meeting her on her next visit to india, and ask her to fatten up and marry me...

or maybe you just have those three peculiarly female characteristics... stubborn when one must simply accept, and making mountain out of molehill, and escapism... well, you may be irritating but you atleast are a female who i can look forward to meeting someday

I am surprised no one is attacking you yet!

not a joke, ma'am... you should see my quite violent "discussions" with many indian members... from the hinduvaadi types ( indrani ) to the mullah ( mujhaidind, indian version of zarvan ) to other strange creatures ( like wolfschanzze )...

You edited my post and made your own reply!
Wow lovely...

i just saw something funny... that is all.

 

[liontk]

I didnt know stating they have their own set of problems (instead of hiding this line) is called defending

Thank you for categorizing me based on your immediate need to categorize people!

Well characterizing people while unfair on a philosophical level is how humans perceive the environment around them. You talk of liberalism like it's a free card to spread cancerous ideology ravaging the world and yes niqab is a symptom of that ideology or atleast strongly correlated(no sane muslim would wear that gown, ie sura al iqra) aside from the security aspect that are of prime concern.

Also definition of secularism fyi according to Meriam-Webster: "the belief that religion should not play a role in government, education, or other public parts of society."
Like i said the girl is no different from the vandals in roman time that migrated solely for the sake of benefits and abused roman tolerance. While I cannot judge her on a personal level as I do not know her, suffice the symbol that she wears proves my point more than enough or at least a strong correlation. I will stop at the good ol agree to disagree as we cannot continue this conversation further. I personally would encourage you to move to the middle east preferable saudi arabia so you can practice the ideology that you believe in peace. I really do mean it in sincerity with no malign intent but if you still feel some sort of loyalty to your host country that bred you and fed ya, try serving in the arm forces to rediscover some patriotism. May god protect the queen !!!!!

Also talon, if the west was truly wrong in our approach to governance then on a philosophical basis you can make the inference that god would not bless us to this amount. The success that the west has had in the past century is a testament to that and do not take it as personal offence since the east will rise to it's potential in due time or according to monsieur jinah's vision.

 

[Dubious]

I personally would encourage you to move to the middle east preferable saudi arabia so you can practice the ideology that you believe in peace.

How do you know I have not lived there?

I am tired of people incapable of accepting difference sending people to Saudi...Those who cant tolerate a difference should be first to be packed to Saudi...after all birds of the same feather should flock together...

 

[DingDong]

How do you know I have not lived there?

I am tired of people incapable of accepting difference sending people to Saudi...Those who cant tolerate a difference should be first to be packed to Saudi...after all birds of the same feather should flock together...

You really want the British natives to migrate to Saudi because some deviant migrant from ME and South Asia wants to force his/her way of life over the natives? Instead of forcing it down the throat of others why doesn't the girl migrate to one of those 50 "God's Kingdoms" where she might roam around wearing a portable tent day and night without anyone raising an objection?

 

[liontk]

How do you know I have not lived there?

I am tired of people incapable of accepting difference sending people to Saudi...Those who cant tolerate a difference should be first to be packed to Saudi...after all birds of the same feather should flock together...

looks like you took it a tad bit personal and it was just a suggestion at best. I mean you would fit better with your thinking there and live in harmony but again you have lived there based on the question you left as i presume. In that case it explains why you identify with those symbols much more than core western values. I mean why put on a facade to live in a western country when you can live how you want in a middle eastern country plus you wont be tracked by european intelligence agencies for terror apologist views. Also having read some of monsieur jinah's work, i think even pakistan might not follow the strand of ideology that you feel strong with.

 

[Dubious]

I mean you would fit better with your thinking there and live in harmony but again you have lived there based on the question you left as i presume.

Living off assumptions is not a habit to be proud of!

In that case it explains why you identify with those symbols much more than core western values

Disappointment of a grievous level is all I can answer you

I mean why put on a facade to live in a western country when you can live how you want in a middle eastern country plus you wont be tracked by european intelligence agencies for terror apologist views.

Again assumptions is not exactly a good thing to live off...

Also having read some of monsieur jinah's work, i think even pakistan might not follow the strand of ideology that you feel strong with.

It is beyond disgusting what you have said in this post and being an anonymous poster I dont have any need to justify what I said more than I already did (went way out of my way)

But go ahead cheer with your mates for living off assumptions, reading between the lines and what not everything but what the poster who has a different view is trying to say...

In a way it kind of proved my point of intolerance towards a different opinion!

Liberal : willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

liberal: definition of liberal in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

You really want the British natives to migrate to Saudi because some deviant migrant from ME and South Asia wants to force his/her way of life over the natives?

Did I say that? the lady in OP is a British NATIVE (as she is born and raised there....her citizen states so....I dont think Britain has a 3rd class citizen issuing policy)

Unlike in India a citizen is no longer called a deviant migrant!

Mind you she didnt force her way she is only practicing it on herself...but of course phobia makes you see it through the eyes of a victim and see it as forcing you

Instead of forcing it down the throat of others why doesn't the girl migrate to one of those 50 "God's Kingdoms" where she might roam around wearing a portable tent day and night without anyone raising an objection?

I have answered this twice to you so plz quit trolling

 

[DingDong]

Living off assumptions is not a habit to be proud of!



Disappointment of a grievous level is all I can answer you



Again assumptions is not exactly a good thing to live off...




It is beyond disgusting what you have said in this post and being an anonymous poster I dont have any need to justify what I said more than I already did (went way out of my way)

But go ahead cheer with your mates for living off assumptions, reading between the lines and what not everything but what the poster who has a different view is trying to say...

In a way it kind of proved my point of intolerance towards a different opinion!

Liberal : willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

liberal: definition of liberal in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

Quoting Somebody: You can be full of kindness and love, but you cannot sleep next to a mad dog

Survival is the most fundamental instinct. As far as being liberal is concerned, they don't need to impress or convince anybody.

 

[Dubious]

Survival is the most fundamental instinct. As far as being liberal is concerned, they don't need to impress or convince anybody

Still stuck there huh? I have noticed you stopped progressing after that post! I also already answered this twice...I never asked to be impressed....I only asked one to practice what they preach!

 

[liontk]

You really want the British natives to migrate to Saudi because some deviant migrant from ME and South Asia wants to force his/her way of life over the natives? Instead of forcing it down the throat of others why doesn't the girl migrate to one of those 50 "God's Kingdoms" where she might roam around wearing a portable tent day and night without anyone raising an objection?

Living off assumptions is not a habit to be proud of!



Disappointment of a grievous level is all I can answer you



Again assumptions is not exactly a good thing to live off...




It is beyond disgusting what you have said in this post and being an anonymous poster I dont have any need to justify what I said more than I already did (went way out of my way)

But go ahead cheer with your mates for living off assumptions, reading between the lines and what not everything but what the poster who has a different view is trying to say...

In a way it kind of proved my point of intolerance towards a different opinion!

Liberal : willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

liberal: definition of liberal in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)


Did I say that? the lady in OP is a British NATIVE (as she is born and raised there....her citizen states so....I dont think Britain has a 3rd class citizen issuing policy)

Unlike in India a citizen is no longer called a deviant migrant!

Mind you she didnt force her way she is only practicing it on herself...but of course phobia makes you see it through the eyes of a victim and see it as forcing you
I have answered this twice to you so plz quit trolling

Again you are taking me wrong and as far as making assumptions are concerned, you are the one that started this with the whole skirt "slut" thing(living in a glass house much) otherwise I would not have been provoked to come into this conversation. Second thing is that I have said it before and I am not a bleeding heart liberal and neither is the western society liberal as you seem to throw the word as some kind of designation. Canada's current prime minister is a Steven Harper and he is a tory(ie fiscal conservative) so I am curious where you got liberal from as it does not apply to a conservative nation like Canada nor UK for that matter(ie. david cameron).

 

[Dubious]

Again you are taking me wrong and as far as making assumptions are concerned, you are the one that started this with the whole skirt "slut" thing(living in a glass house much) otherwise

I stated that purely out of comparison coz I know how people in South Asia think and the response was to a South Asian!

I would not have been provoked to come into this conversation.

Thank you for clarifying this

Second thing is that I have said it before and I am not a bleeding heart liberal and neither is the western society liberal as you seem to throw the word as some kind of designation.

No but if the media keeps throwing it in my face that the west is liberal that the Muslims and Muslim countries are this and that....well I want to see the West live up to its liberalism...

Mind you I have also supported the liberal views like how this girl supported them and was confident enough HER CHOICE would not come in the way of their liberal views of differences...

I also stated NUMEROUS TIMES (which EVERYONE IGNORED ) that had the bloody school done us all a favour and put their condition in words it would have saved everyone time!

I also stated CLEARLY to that troll (twice) how I support HER CHOICE because it is not easy to be brought up in a Western society and finding a choice and wishing to practice it which are different from the norm!

It would be difficult were she in Saudi....hence respect for her choice (but of course conviniently everyone missed that post too- which I repeated 2-3 times)

Canada's current prime minister is a Steven Harper and he is a tory(ie fiscal conservative) so I am curious where you got liberal from as it does not apply to a conservative nation like Canada nor UK for that matter(ie. david cameron).

I got it from the defintion of the word...When you are confused or dont know what people are saying one would just google the word....

Its easy to proclaim yourself and advertise yourself as liberal (Western society does it soo often) but it is not easy to actually practice that preaching , huh?

No Canada is not conservative...Maybe the party but I am ONLY interested in views of society and laws not individuals....for Canada is not my circus never been there cant claim a thing for them!

 

[jamahir]

what i write below is not personal hatred towards the poster, but just observation and knowledge...

What do you mean by forced marriages ? If you are referring to arranged marriages then I don't think Indians in western world are doing much of arranged marriages.

so you mean all those hordes of kannadas, telugus, gujratis and punjabis in western nations don't force daughters into marrying "decent god-fearing boy, ramesh" when in reality the daughters may not want to marry at all, or horror of horrors, the daughters may like western natives or... or a muslim...

From what I see it is more common among Muslims.

among south asian "muslims" and gulf "muslims", true... but forcing marriage upon daughters or sisters is illegal from a islami point of view... surely, you have heard of that saying... "jab miyaan biwi raazi toh kya karega qaazi".

Dowry and Honor killings are illegal even in India

dowry being illegal in india, technically, doesn't stop female teachers in india from gambling in "kaun banega crore pati" so that they win enough money to pay a big dowry for their sister... seen that episode??

as for "honor killing", indian laws have not even properly made them a crime... so this below regularly happens...

1. from just a few days ago...

Uncle murders girl, boyfriend in Dharwad - The Times of India

2. an older case... the lady was a "software engineer"... supposedly "educated", according to indian culture... which is why the college system is stupid... doesn't really give anyone any true freedoms or knowledge...

Indian engineer dies in honour killing - Telegraph

and I have not seen a precedence of the same in Western countries anywhere.

wrong... indian ( and south asian ) families carry their indian "culture" where ever they migrate to...

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/24/world/europe/uk-honor-murder-sanghera/

Btw dowry and honor killings are more prevalent in Islamic society as well.

dowry is declared a crime in islam... rather, the wedding procedures include a pre-marriage agreement for alimony called "mahr"... by that itself and combined with other things, the islami marriage is slanted in favor of the lady... but truly, the concept of marriage is obsolete

as for honor killing among "muslims", please read my above statement about "jab miyaan biwi raazi..."

if anything, dowry and honor killing in muslim communities has been adopted by the stupid ones with moralistic and female-hating attitudes, from hinduism.

Now Are you declaring Mythological belief against the laws as well?

you are probably too young to remember the "ganesha drinks milk" episode of madness that started among the gujarati hindu families of britain and spread to millions of homes in india... this was in the 1990's... you may ask any older relatives about this madness.

Don;t you have mythological belief like dragon sized ababeel throwing burning stones at armies,

from what i gather, it is a feel-good pre-"islami" belief which was carried over as tradition into islam... and though not a defining part of what makes islam "islam", but is not a bad story at all

Jinn, Jinnat,

pre-islami beliefs from arab lands... like the legends of hatim tai... which crossed over into muslim culture... but belief in jinn's is more prevalent among south asian muslims.

Flat earth

i must check on that... because the medieval muslims were great astronomers, and who were really the cause for later enlightenment era astronomers among europeans... and of course, there is the story of the "jantar mantar" instruments which needed precise muslim instrumentation for construction...

human beings evolving about of adam hawaa

it is like asking the question "what is the age of the universe??"... such a question is rather unnecessary and rather difficult to answer... and the idea of "adam and eve" really started much before islam, going back into jewish beliefs, or maybe older...

and how exactly Allah gave quaranic verses to Muhammad when nobody even know its shape or form or even if it exisys?

since you state that, i will say that hazrat muhammad had enlightenment which is a truly personal, beautiful, spiritual and long and personal experience but which can create human-scale changes.

and maybe zarvan will come here and thunderously start with "mister..."

Unfortunately Muslims are using the same against innocent people world over.

just since 2011... 200,000+ libyans, 150,000+ syrians, thousands of iraqis and hundreds of pakistanis... most of these, muslim... have died through actions of fake-muslims ( taliban, ikhwaan, al qaeda, fsa, jemah islamiya etc ) who were armed and supported by western governments.

and how many non-muslims died in the same period?? not many, yes??

The Islamic Burqa is considered a big security threat

the burqa is not islami... there is just one clothing that is islami and this is the "ihram", worn during hajj ( Ihram clothing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )... but the rest of "muslim" clothing is cultural... and the burqa is dirty clothing from iran.

and the followers of Islam themselves have forced people into that impression.

not true... not all followers of islam... only some western-media-promoted fake-muslims and many from a careless silent majority ( like how liontk said above ).

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i hope i answered your points with no aggression or hatred towards you as a person