Too early to settle the Aryan migration debate?

[El Sidd]

Be yourself man. There is nobody that can hold you from yourself, other than yourself.

@livingdead

This from someone who chases out bandits from the village with AK47.

From outside this guy is just hard coconut but on the inside gueey paste of mashed up snowflakes.

 

[cocomo]

this is possible the best post I have read for a long time here... for me. because it encapsulates my own feeling perfectly( who is barely social and fiercely individualistic... ).

An individual is never self-reliant really, you were born to a mother and a father you were nurtured by them and the society you lived in. Humans take on the values of their society, according to research humans have mirror neurons that makes them mimic the behavior of others around them, humans are made to be plugged into their society.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@livingdead

This from someone who chases out bandits from the village with AK47.

From outside this guy is just hard coconut but on the inside gueey paste of mashed up snowflakes.

I don't know how long you've been following these conversations, but this young gentleman came across as precisely that in those days. He could be hard as nails about Indians in the abstract, but invariably softened and was almost mild when any individual was concerned, whatever that individual's nationality. We always recognised the nice guy inside the barbaric exterior, we being about half a dozen friends who interacted among ourselves then.

 

[T-123456]

The reason being is that this study is pointless. We are all the same people after the nitty gritty details. Who gives a shit who came to the subcontinent first? Aryans? Dravidans?

I just think the whole thing is fucking ridiculous when you look at the world in an Islamic and biological fashion. We are all going to mix. Humanity started from an origin, separated into tribes/ethnicities/nations and will continue its destiny by having them all converge once again. I see humanity following a perpetual pattern of separation and convergence.

So I am rather inquisitive about whether the human race can actually ever evolve from this state of perpetual monotony.

Instead of Pakistanis differentiating themselves from Indians, we should be finding correlation with all of humanity.

If in fact, we want true answers in the long term.

A very surprising post from you.

I don't know how long you've been following these conversations, but this young gentleman came across as precisely that in those days. He could be hard as nails about Indians in the abstract, but invariably softened and was almost mild when any individual was concerned, whatever that individual's nationality. We always recognised the nice guy inside the barbaric exterior, we being about half a dozen friends who interacted among ourselves then.

Long time no see Mr. Joe,everything ok?

 

[livingdead]

An individual is never self-reliant really, you were born to a mother and a father you were nurtured by them and the society you lived in. Humans take on the values of their society, according to research humans have mirror neurons that makes them mimic the behavior of others around them, humans are made to be plugged into their society.

I know... people call me selfish lol...
but I feel at home in this country... an eastern society will snuff out my life in a few years.

 

[El Sidd]

I don't know how long you've been following these conversations, but this young gentleman came across as precisely that in those days. He could be hard as nails about Indians in the abstract, but invariably softened and was almost mild when any individual was concerned, whatever that individual's nationality. We always recognised the nice guy inside the barbaric exterior, we being about half a dozen friends who interacted among ourselves then.

Well i chanced upon two of his posts just now in a matter of a day.

One about the rights of transgenders in Pakistan.
One about well lets all ghetto one in an Indian thread.
One here.

This guy is just Pakistani. Lol

He will fukk up everywhere but would never promote the same shizz in Pakistan.

 

[Joe Shearer]

A very surprising post from you.


Long time no see Mr. Joe,everything ok?

All is fine, other than turning a little older, a little grayer, a little dustier. I'm trying to earn a living to last the rest of my life, and it suddenly seems to be getting harder every day.

How are you?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

I'm not sure what you are referring to, in saying we've spent years fighting about it; possibly, you meant we spent years fighting about the Aryan migration, the Indus Valley Civilisation and so on. In that case, you are right, very very accurate; much of the debate, on both sides, was heavily influenced by ego, a collective one, not individual egos. We could have had more open minds, we could each of us have tried to truly learn.

In partial self-defence, I've tried to learn. There are bits where I disagree emphatically from the OOI gang. There are bits where I find the exaggerations of Pakistani jingos exasperating. It was never about the nationality involved, for me; it was about the closest to the truth, bearing in mind that the truth is itself prone to shifting around, and is always subjectively different from someone else's truth.

But that's never enough; there's always more to be done, more to be learnt. In that, I agree wholly with your indignation. We needed to have done more.

You've always been genuinely interested in history @Joe Shearer

I can't take that from you, because you've always tried to be non-biased about the situation. I guess I was referring to our younger folk whether Pakistani or Indian. We get into battles of ego, but in that madness we lose the point of what we are trying to discover.

To be honest, these kinds of threads don't even interest me. I am content with who I am and genuinely don't feel the need to put others down to validate my worth. On the other hand, trolls do get the best of me.

We all say things here that we don't mean just to hurt the other party. I've done it so much, that I don't care to anymore. I will suggest one thing though. Indians should appreciate the differences between themselves and Pakistanis. We have our differences and we share some things that are similar. However, when Indians try to take our identity and paint it as their own, we take offence. I guess that has to do with the trolling. I feel that If Indians appreciated our differences, we would more than likely become friendlier with each other. On a very genuine level.

In your old age, or rather just age, I'd advise you to come and visit Pakistan. Pakistanis are generally very peaceful people unless someone is deliberately trying to antagonize us. We really don't talk about other's beliefs unless the other person brings it up themselves. I think you will find a stark difference between the nature of Pakistanis as compared to Indians. I am not just saying this to compliment my own people, but having lived in the west and having contacts with all types of people, I think what you would experience in Pakistan would be one of a kind.

I invite you. Come with your wife and children. Come and visit Lahore. If I am in Pakistan at that time, I will happily host you at my own home rather than a Marriot. You will have more fun at our house.

A very surprising post from you.

I will take your comment seriously when you go and kiss a Greek man on the cheek.

 

[T-123456]

All is fine, other than turning a little older, a little grayer, a little dustier. I'm trying to earn a living to last the rest of my life, and it suddenly seems to be getting harder every day.

How are you?

Good to see you busy,im sure you'll get it done and good luck.
Im fine thanks,the ''old'' man needs to post every now and then,here and there so that we know he is ok.

 

[El Sidd]

You've always been genuinely interested in history @Joe Shearer

I can't take that from you, because you've always tried to be non-biased about the situation. I guess I was referring to our younger folk whether Pakistani or Indian. We get into battles of ego, but in that madness we lose the point of what we are trying to discover.

To be honest, these kinds of threads don't even interest me. I am content with who I am and genuinely don't feel the need to put others down to validate my worth. On the other hand, trolls do get the best of me.

We all say things here that we don't mean just to hurt the other party. I've done it so much, that I don't care to anymore. I will suggest one thing though. Indians should appreciate the differences between themselves and Pakistanis. We have our differences and we share some things that are similar. However, when Indians try to take our identity and paint it as their own, we take offence. I guess that has to do with the trolling. I feel that If Indians appreciated our differences, we would more than likely become friendlier with each other. On a very genuine level.

In your old age, or rather just age, I'd advise you to come and visit Pakistan. Pakistanis are generally very peaceful people unless someone is deliberately trying to antagonize us. We really don't talk about other's beliefs unless the other person brings it up themselves. I think you will find a stark difference between the nature of Pakistanis as compared to Indians. I am not just saying this to compliment my own people, but having lived in the west and having contacts with all types of people, I think what you would experience in Pakistan would be one of a kind.

I invite you. Come with your wife and children. Come and visit Lahore. If I am in Pakistan at that time, I will happily host you at my own home rather than a Marriot. You will have more fun at our house.



I will take your comment seriously when you go and kiss a Greek man on the cheek.

Cyprus regularly hosts peaceful tourists. Its conveniently placed.

 

[T-123456]

I will take your comment seriously when you go and kiss a Greek man on the cheek.

What do you mean by that?
I have many Greek friends in real life,people to people Turks and Greeks have no problems,if thats what you meant.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You've always been genuinely interested in history @Joe Shearer

I can't take that from you, because you've always tried to be non-biased about the situation. I guess I was referring to our younger folk whether Pakistani or Indian. We get into battles of ego, but in that madness we lose the point of what we are trying to discover.

To be honest, these kinds of threads don't even interest me. I am content with who I am and genuinely don't feel the need to put others down to validate my worth. On the other hand, trolls do get the best of me.

We all say things here that we don't mean just to hurt the other party. I've done it so much, that I don't care to anymore. I will suggest one thing though. Indians should appreciate the differences between themselves and Pakistanis. We have our differences and we share some things that are similar. However, when Indians try to take our identity and paint it as their own, we take offence. I guess that has to do with the trolling. I feel that If Indians appreciated our differences, we would more than likely become friendlier with each other. On a very genuine level.

In your old age, or rather just age, I'd advise you to come and visit Pakistan. Pakistanis are generally very peaceful people unless someone is deliberately trying to antagonize us. We really don't talk about other's beliefs unless the other person brings it up themselves. I think you will find a stark difference between the nature of Pakistanis as compared to Indians. I am not just saying this to compliment my own people, but having lived in the west and having contacts with all types of people, I think what you would experience in Pakistan would be one of a kind.

I invite you. Come with your wife and children. Come and visit Lahore. If I am in Pakistan at that time, I will happily host you at my own home rather than a Marriot. You will have more fun at our house.

First, you were always known to be what you are, among BangGalore, Captain Popeye and one or two more of us.
Second, what you said is so, so true that I despair of getting it home to some Indians that Pakistanis really, truly don't feel flattered or buttered up to death by our telling them that we are the same.
Third, about visiting Pakistan, that's high on my list. Having tasted a bit of their aggressive hospitality in third countries, I'm half thrilled and half fearful of visiting Pakistan: basically a simple-living sort, and it sometimes feels that I'll be completely overwhelmed. Happens to me frequently in Kashmir, and I can extrapolate.

I'll get there, before too long, and that's a commitment to myself. You'll be among the first to know.

Oh, by the way, my daughter and son-in-law have had very dear Pakistani friends for years; they both look at me strangely when I brag about my insaniyat friends from Pakistan, as if to say, so what's the big deal?

I will take your comment seriously when you go and kiss a Greek man on the cheek.

LOL.

 

[livingdead]

Ontopic: This is a legitimate scientific question, human migration is a fascinating story and I am all interested in it, but I cant possibly be invested in a specific outcome...
I think many Indian experts who try their best to prove there has been no migration, act on an agenda... thats no science.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

What do you mean by that?
I have many Greek friends in real life,people to people Turks and Greeks have no problems,if thats what you meant.

It was a joke bro. Relax.

 

[Suriya]

As a personal point of view, that is unexceptionable; even admirable. What has that got to do with historical and proto-historical analysis?

@Suriya

Please don't answer the following unless you wish to; I ask to understand where you are coming from and why you resolutely put up one more defence of the case that the Aryan speaking migration was a mysth, as each preceding one is defeated.

• Are you a Hindutvavadi? Aligned to the BJP party? A former or current member of the RSS? A member of one of the affiliated fronts?
• Do you believe that Indian history was distorted by the British, and that a certain group of left-leaning historians continued and perpetuated this distortion?
• Have you read David Frawley? Michel Danino?

Let me share a rare but profound quote from @lastofthepatriots

I find all of this pointless. I am an independent spirit that refuses to let history define my identity. I choose to define who I am. Names are what others give you. Pick one for yourself. At the end of the day, you are who you are.