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To Fight India, We Fought Ourselves


By MOHSIN HAMID

ON Monday, my mother’s and sister’s eye doctor was assassinated. He was a Shiite. He was shot six times while driving to drop his son off at school. His son, age 12, was executed with a single shot to the head.

Tuesday, I attended a protest in front of the Governor’s House in Lahore demanding that more be done to protect Pakistan’s Shiites from sectarian extremists. These extremists are responsible for increasingly frequent attacks, including bombings this year that killed more than 200 people, most of them Hazara Shiites, in the city of Quetta.

As I stood in the anguished crowd in Lahore, similar protests were being held throughout Pakistan. Roads were shut. Demonstrators blocked access to airports. My father was trapped in one for the evening, yet he said most of his fellow travelers bore the delay without anger. They sympathized with the protesters’ objectives.

Minority persecution is a common notion around the world, bringing to mind the treatment of African-Americans in the United States, for example, or Arab immigrants in Europe. In Pakistan, though, the situation is more unusual: those persecuted as minorities collectively constitute a vast majority.

A filmmaker I know who has relatives in the Ahmadi sect told me that her family’s graves in Lahore had been defaced, because Ahmadis are regarded as apostates. A Baluch friend said it was difficult to take Punjabi visitors with him to Baluchistan, because there is so much local anger there at violence toward the Baluch. An acquaintance of mine, a Pakistani Hindu, once got angry when I answered the question “how are things?” with the word “fine” — because things so obviously aren’t. And Pakistani Christians have borne the brunt of arrests under the country’s blasphemy law; a governor of my province was assassinated for trying to repeal it.

What then is the status of the country’s majority? In Pakistan, there is no such thing. Punjab is the most populous province, but its roughly 100 million people are divided by language, religious sect, outlook and gender. Sunni Muslims represent Pakistan’s most populous faith, but it’s dangerous to be the wrong kind of Sunni. Sunnis are regularly killed for being open to the new ways of the West, or for adhering to the old traditions of the Indian subcontinent, for being liberal, for being mystical, for being in politics, the army or the police, or for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

At the heart of Pakistan’s troubles is the celebration of the militant. Whether fighting in Afghanistan, or Kashmir, or at home, this deadly figure has been elevated to heroic status: willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, able to win the ultimate victory, selfless, noble. Yet as tens of thousands of Pakistanis die at the hands of such heroes, as tens of millions of Pakistanis go about their lives in daily fear of them, a recalibration is being demanded. The need of the hour, of the year, of the generation, is peace.

Pakistan is in the grips of militancy because of its fraught relationship with India, with which it has fought three wars and innumerable skirmishes since the countries separated in 1947. Militants were cultivated as an equalizer, to make Pakistan safer against a much larger foe. But they have done the opposite, killing Pakistanis at home and increasing the likelihood of catastrophic conflicts abroad.

Normalizing relations with India could help starve Pakistani militancy of oxygen. So it is significant that the prospects for peace between the two nuclear-armed countries look better than they have in some time.

India and Pakistan share a lengthy land border, but they might as well be on separate continents, so limited is their trade with each other and the commingling of their people. Visas, traditionally hard to get, restricted to specific cities and burdened with onerous requirements to report to the local police, are becoming more flexible for business travelers and older citizens. Trade is also picking up. A pulp manufacturer in Pakistani Punjab, for example, told me he had identified a paper mill in Indian Punjab that could purchase his factory’s entire output.

These openings could be the first cracks in a dam that holds back a flood of interaction. Whenever I go to New Delhi, many I meet are eager to visit Lahore. Home to roughly a combined 25 million people, the cities are not much more than half an hour apart by plane, and yet they are linked by only two flights a week.

Cultural connections are increasing, too. Indian films dominate at Pakistani cinemas, and Indian songs play at Pakistani weddings. Now Pakistanis are making inroads in the opposite direction. Pakistani actors have appeared as Bollywood leads and on Indian reality TV. Pakistani contemporary art is being snapped up by Indian buyers. And New Delhi is the publishing center for the current crop of Pakistani English-language fiction.

A major constraint the two countries have faced in normalizing relations has been the power of security hawks on both sides, and especially in Pakistan. But even in this domain we might be seeing an improvement. The new official doctrine of the Pakistani Army for the first time identifies internal militants, rather than India, as the country’s No. 1 threat. And Pakistan has just completed an unprecedented five years under a single elected government. This year, it will be holding elections in which the largest parties all agree that peace with India is essential.

Peace with India or, rather, increasingly normal neighborly relations, offers the best chance for Pakistan to succeed in dismantling its cult of militancy. Pakistan’s extremists, of course, understand this, and so we can expect to see, as we have in the past, attempts to scupper progress through cross-border violence. They will try to goad India into retaliating and thereby giving them what serves them best: a state of frozen, impermeable hostility.

They may well succeed. For there is a disturbing rise of hyperbolic nationalism among India’s prickly emerging middle class, and the Indian media is quick to stoke the fires. The explosion of popular rage in India after a recent military exchange, in which soldiers on both sides of the border were killed, is an indicator of the danger.

So it is important now to prepare the public in both countries for an extremist outrage, which may well originate in Pakistan, and for the self-defeating calls for an extreme response, which are likely to be heard in India. Such confrontations have always derailed peace in the past. They must not be allowed to do so again. In the tricky months ahead, as India and Pakistan reconnect after decades of virtual embargo, those of us who believe in peace should regard extremist provocations not as barriers to our success but, perversely, as signs that we are succeeding.

Mohsin Hamid is the author of the novels “The Reluctant Fundamentalist” and the forthcoming “How to Get ****** Rich in Rising Asia.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/o...s-of-pakistani-peace.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
Have I got this right? Pakistan's efforts at equalizing her unequal military status vis-a-vis India led her to cultivate militants. These militants are now causing more Pakistan deaths than deaths of any other people. They can be cut down to size if they no longer have the excuse of Indian enmity to fight. Indian enmity can be minimized if India does not react to terrorist attacks. So, to save Pakistani lives, even, perhaps, to save Pakistan, India should take all the casualties that may result and not respond.

Brilliant analysis, except for the few hundred Indian men, women and children who need to die to keep Pakistan together and save Pakistani lives.

Who started the enmity bit, btw?
 
Have I got this right? Pakistan's efforts at equalizing her unequal military status vis-a-vis India led her to cultivate militants. These militants are now causing more Pakistan deaths than deaths of any other people. They can be cut down to size if they no longer have the excuse of Indian enmity to fight. Indian enmity can be minimized if India does not react to terrorist attacks. So, to save Pakistani lives, even, perhaps, to save Pakistan, India should take all the casualties that may result and not respond.

Brilliant analysis, except for the few hundred Indian men, women and children who need to die to keep Pakistan together and save Pakistani lives.

Who started the enmity bit, btw?


haha ora oder motlob moto kaj korbe--- jokhon fade pabe tokhon "militancy",jokhon nijera fade porbe tokhon 'peace"..abar 2014'e nato chole gele somoy-sujog buje "punor mushikaye bhobo"....
 


So it is important now to prepare the public in both countries for an extremist outrage, which may well originate in Pakistan, and for the self-defeating calls for an extreme response, which are likely to be heard in India. Such confrontations have always derailed peace in the past. They must not be allowed to do so again. In the tricky months ahead, as India and Pakistan reconnect after decades of virtual embargo, those of us who believe in peace should regard extremist provocations not as barriers to our success but, perversely, as signs that we are succeeding.

Mohsin Hamid is the author of the novels “The Reluctant Fundamentalist” and the forthcoming “How to Get ****** Rich in Rising Asia.”


What Bull Sh@t :rolleyes: Pakistan would do well to curtail it's militants and not to expect it's victim to hang in and not react.
 
That's what happens when you rely on clandestine warfare to match conventional superiority. 'cause there is no rules of engagement in clandestine operations... your asset one day, maybe a liability next day!
 
Have I got this right? Pakistan's efforts at equalizing her unequal military status vis-a-vis India led her to cultivate militants. These militants are now causing more Pakistan deaths than deaths of any other people. They can be cut down to size if they no longer have the excuse of Indian enmity to fight. Indian enmity can be minimized if India does not react to terrorist attacks. So, to save Pakistani lives, even, perhaps, to save Pakistan, India should take all the casualties that may result and not respond.

Brilliant analysis, except for the few hundred Indian men, women and children who need to die to keep Pakistan together and save Pakistani lives.

Who started the enmity bit, btw?

Most truthful analyses of the article, that Pakistan will NOT be accountable for what it does. That others have to do sacrifices so that Pakistan can keep acting like a pariah.

Prickly middle class or not, if pakstani state acts like everybody around them is blind, then no sympathy can be spared.
 
Have I got this right? Pakistan's efforts at equalizing her unequal military status vis-a-vis India led her to cultivate militants. These militants are now causing more Pakistan deaths than deaths of any other people. They can be cut down to size if they no longer have the excuse of Indian enmity to fight. Indian enmity can be minimized if India does not react to terrorist attacks. So, to save Pakistani lives, even, perhaps, to save Pakistan, India should take all the casualties that may result and not respond.

Brilliant analysis, except for the few hundred Indian men, women and children who need to die to keep Pakistan together and save Pakistani lives.

Who started the enmity bit, btw?

If the current trends and revelations in Pakistani media are to go by, there is no turning back for Pakistan now.

These groups when sidelined by Musharraf to become the messiah of Indo Pakistan situation have found multiple sources of funding. They have their own agendas now and cooperate or do not with Pakistani state when it suits them only. The Hydra has grown and "geographical importance" of Pakistan is driving further FDI in these groups. While Indian numbers are in hundreds, unfortunately Pakistan's are in thousands. The religious, ethnic and regional fault lines are too evident at this point and only pose one question will this lead to final step of disintegration or drive away others and establish the true Caliphate??

The enimity doesn't matter any more in their case, it has been there from the start.
 
If the current trends and revelations in Pakistani media are to go by, there is no turning back for Pakistan now.

These groups when sidelined by Musharraf to become the messiah of Indo Pakistan situation have found multiple sources of funding. They have their own agendas now and cooperate or do not with Pakistani state when it suits them only. The Hydra has grown and "geographical importance" of Pakistan is driving further FDI in these groups. While Indian numbers are in hundreds, unfortunately Pakistan's are in thousands. The religious, ethnic and regional fault lines are too evident at this point and only pose one question will this lead to final step of disintegration or drive away others and establish the true Caliphate??

The enimity doesn't matter any more in their case, it has been there from the start.

I am happy to report that another 14 Indians have contributed to protecting Pakistanis and Pakistan. That is not counting around 120 who have been less than complete in their offerings.


14 Dead, 119 Wounded in India Blasts
 
I am happy to report that another 14 Indians have contributed to protecting Pakistanis and Pakistan. That is not counting around 120 who have been less than complete in their offerings.


14 Dead, 119 Wounded in India Blasts

There will be many more i am afraid in coming days if we don't tighten our internal security, 2014 is being increasingly sighted by these warriors of faith as some turn of century.

Our Shinde's are busy making and retracting remarks.
 
Have I got this right? Pakistan's efforts at equalizing her unequal military status vis-a-vis India led her to cultivate militants. These militants are now causing more Pakistan deaths than deaths of any other people. They can be cut down to size if they no longer have the excuse of Indian enmity to fight. Indian enmity can be minimized if India does not react to terrorist attacks. So, to save Pakistani lives, even, perhaps, to save Pakistan, India should take all the casualties that may result and not respond.

Damn straight!

Yes, that is reality, the truth - Pakistan have offered themselves on a plate to the Indian - That the Indian is inclined to say"No thanks, you die alone" is another matter. Once again the GHQ geniuses who came up with this idea and who want to convince the world that they no longer have control over their creatures, and the only way to save the world is to these geniuses behind, who sold their idea of Jihad and proxies to an ignorant populace, as salvation of Pakistan, have only led to a situation where all action (active) is in the hand of India and Pakistan and of course the glorious Fauj plays the passive feminine role (needs saving).

Perhaps the Indian should have a better response than sarcasm, to those Pakistanis who seek their assistance to save Pakistan -
 
See we all know that Pakistan has raised and grown terror and terrorists with fully open eyes with a view towards destabilizing India and in this endeavours they have also recruited a number of Indian muslims. Our govt hasnt helped itself by stoking suspicions on indian muslims thereby driving more of them to ISI. So even if the LeT and other ISI raised Pak terorrists are held in leash, the recent development of Indian Muslims driving terror in india will be used by Pak govt to cause mayhem for the sake of terror in India. I feel the only way to respond is in kind by diverting the ISI attention away from India, which is by trying to destabilize Pakistan and that is the need of the hour.
 
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