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^^^Thanks for your concern. But its very easy to counter hate propaganda. All we have to do is individually be good muslims. Tackle corruption and lawlessness and extremism in our own locality and see the affects.

Alongwith that we have to actively seek out our non-muslim brothers and sisters and engage in interfaith dialogue to remove misconceptions. Fortunately there has been a lot of increase in this in the past few years and that is why we have seen that despite a number of bombings taking place in which both muslims and Hindus were targeted there was no large scale riots and after 26/11 there was a renewed solidarity. IMO things can only get better from now
 
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I think we should stop now. One or two Janas' doesn't make up Pakistan's opinion or Pakistan itself.
 
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Why are Pakistanis so concerned about the plight of Indian citizens? Don't they have much much bigger problems in their own backyard?

Obviously, some Pakistanis feel that by highlighting the problem of their neighbours, their own problems will feel minute.They are of course wrong.

Ejaz posts on this topic is sufficient, we don't need Pakistanis to tell us how evil India is to continue to suppress minorities.
 
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A Muslim-dominated colony in New Delhi waiting for roads, water for 25 yrs


By Mumtaz Alam Falahi

New Delhi: If you are a stranger and airdropped in this locality, I am sure you won’t even imagine that you are in the National Capital of India. You will be more surprised when told that you are a few kilometers from the Parliament House and Rashtrapati Bhawan and at equal distance from the Delhi State Assembly House. You are in Kacchi Khajuri, a Muslim-dominated colony in North-East Delhi. The government is spending over Rs 800 crore on infrastructure for Commonwealth Games 2010, just a few kilometres from here, but this locality has been waiting for road and drinking water for over a quarter century.





Kacchi Khajuri is a predominantly Muslim locality in New Delhi, but like many other Muslim-dominated areas in the country, this too is highly neglected in terms of civic amenities, drinking water, roads, schools and hospitals.




People started living here in 1983. Most of them came, and are still coming, from Western Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. They are mostly from labor classes or do small businesses. 25 years on, and they are living without pucca roads and drinking water facility – electricity reached here very recently. With no roads, there is no drainage system, making the area a big drain or pond of garbage in rainy season. Interestingly, the Kacchi Khajuri area, now populated by about 80,000 people (80-90% Muslims), is surrounded by deep long drain from one side and a pond from other side, yet there is no proper drainage system connecting the lanes and bylanes of the locality to the drain or pond.

“Labor class people are living here. Very few have their own businesses. Illiteracy is rampant. Government has shown little interest in this locality. Since the colony came into existence, there has been no drinking water facility. There is no pucca road either. With no drainage system, lanes and bylanes are littered with ***** and garbage, causing various diseases among the residents,” says Muhammad Abdullah, Imam, Jama Masjid Tayyeba – the oldest mosque of the colony.




To keep an area clean is certainly the responsibility of a civic body but how the residents as Muslims can shy away from their responsibility to keep their homes and the bylanes clean by sparing an area for garbage rather than letting a heap of garbage piling just in front of their home.

The government here has just two things that it can claim to be its own: a primary school – for an area of 80,000 population, denoting how sincere the State is about education of the largest minority of the country; and a police station, clearly exposing the mindset of the government about the Muslim community -- they need no road, no drinking water, no ration shop and no hospital but they surely need a police station.

Yes, besides road and water, Kacchi Khajuri has also no government ration shop and no state-run dispensary or hospital. This is no Bengali-speaking Muslim dominated area over which hovers a cloud of suspicion about their being Indian citizens, and thus door of development is shunted on such areas. They are Hindi-speaking people from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, genuinely Indian citizens beyond any shred of doubt. They have extended families in their native states. They have election IDs here and cast votes in elections to choose their representatives, religiously. And yet, they are living as second-class citizens.







Economic conditions

Muhammad Abdullah, Imam, Jama Masjid Tayyeba, has been leading prayers in this mosque since 1992. He is paid about Rs 2000 per month by the locals. The mosque, where Friday prayers are also held, is as old as the colony. The mosque isn’t yet complete as it is half covered by roof and the floor out of the roofed area is not even plastered. The Imam is from Gorakhpur in UP.




Meet this boy from Darbhanga in Bihar. He has been living here with his family for over one year. He sells cold water for Re-1 per glass, and thus supports his family.

Muhammad Waris is from Bijnore in UP. He shifted here three years ago. He has six children. He works at a small printing shop.

This is the normal pattern of the socio-economic condition of this locality – either they are laborers or do small businesses.

Educational condition

Though poor, Waris wishes to give good education to his children but fears he can’t. The area with about one lakh population has just one primary school run by Municipal Corporation of Delhi, and no other government school. So, people are forced to send their children to private schools if they can afford, or just drop the idea to educate their children.




“I have four daughters. I want to educate them and make them big people like Indira Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi and Mayawati, but I lack resources. If I could have money I would educate them at good schools, otherwise will drop the idea altogether to educate them,” says Waris.

This is Abdur Rahman from Bijnore. His family is here for over 10 years. The 17-year-old boy Abdur Rahman learns Arabic and Persian at Jama Masjid Tayyeba where a temporary madrasa is run by the masjid committee. He has completed 10th from open schooling system.

There are about 23 mosques in the colony but no formal madrasa or community run school. Yes, some maktabs are being run in some mosques.

One reason for low education rate here is poverty. “People are mostly laborers, and so need earning hands as early as possible and thus very few send their children to school,” says the Imam. After primary schooling, fewer send their children to high school or senior secondary school that are in Pucci Khajuri, a Hindu-dominated area on the other side of the Pushta Road that divides Khajuri Khas area into Kacchi Khajuri and Pucci Khajuri.

A road that divides an area into two – one developed, another backward






Kacchi Khajuri and Pucci Khajuri are part of Khajuri Khas area. The Pushta Road linking Delhi with Uttar Pradesh divides Khajuri Khas into two localities, not only geographically but also development-wise. The Hindu-dominated Pucci Khajuri has all facilities including High Schools. Boys from the dominating community of Gurjars in Pucci Khajuri harass boys and girls from Kacchi Khajuri – the Muslim-dominated area. And here lies the second reason why literacy is low in Kacchi Khajuri.

Pucci Khajuri has Government Boys and Girls Senior Secondary School. It has Government Sarvodaya Boys and Girls School. A deadly stampede at government senior secondary school on September 10 – in which five girls (three Muslims) from Kacchi Khajuri area were killed and scores others injured – has further alienated Kacchi Khajuri residents from Pucci Khajuri. An independent fact-finding team has concluded that the stampede was caused by sexual harassment of girls from Kacchi Khajuri by the boys from Pucci Khajuri. Now the area of victims demands upgradation of the lone government primary school into senior secondary school, at least for girls, at this stage. Otherwise, many have made up mind to withdraw their girls from the school.




On the surface there is no communal tension between the two localities. However, one can feel anger and disappointment in residents of Kacchi Khajuri.

The two colonies came into being almost at the same time but one, dominated by Gurjars, got progress and development very fast while the Muslim area was left to lurch. Besides schools, the Pucci Khajuri area has drinking water facilities, government ration shop, a hospital and pucca roads, leaving Kacchi Khajuri seething with anger. Their women and children have to cross accident-prone Pushta Road to fetch drinking water and ration from Pucci Khajuri. While Pucci Khajuri got status of authorised colony long ago, Kacchi Khajuri got the same only recently.

The ward councilor of the area (Mr Ranbeer) is from Congress while the MLA (Mr Mohan Singh Bisht) – who has more power and grants at his command for developmental work in his area – is a BJP man. When people of Kacchi Khajuri approach the BJP MLA he does not listen to them saying they did not vote for him, say the residents. The area falls in the Karawal Nagar Assembly segment in Northeast Delhi, a minority concentration district, with a population of 17,63,712 (Census 2001). The MP of this Lok Sabha constituency is Mr Jaiprakash Aggarwal, a Congressman.

While the people of Kacchi Khajuri elect their representatives regularly as a religious duty development has so far eluded them. They don’t know how long this will go on.

A Muslim-dominated colony in New Delhi waiting for roads, water for 25 yrs | TwoCircles.net
 
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Hmmm

Lets begin,

Memon Colony - Jogeshwari West, Mumbai.

How many Hindu's live there? Zero, Zilch, Null.

This colony is only meant for Memon community of Muslims (hence Memon Colony). You are a muslim but not Memon then you can's buy or rent the flat in this colony.

Millat Nagar - Andheri West, Mumbai.

Unless you are a long beared wahabi or Deobandi you are not welcomed here even if you are a muslim. Forget the hindu's.

Behram Baug - Jogeshwari West, Mumbai

Sutanabad, Ali Abad, Aurangabad and the list goes on........... number of colonies only for muslims. Hindu's or other religions not welcomed.

Fidai Baug - Andheri West, Mumbai.

Unless you are a Bohri or Ismaili you are not welcomed even if you are a muslim. Forget the Hindu's or any other religion.

I can put entire list of such colonies in Mumbai which are meant for muslims (or even for some muslim communities).

So much ranting on discrimination.




Being a President of India.

Dr A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed, Dr.Zakir Hussein.

Being a Vice President of India.

Zakir Hussain, Mohammad Hamid Ansari (Current), Muhammad Hidayatullah

Being a Chief Justice of India.

Muhammad Hidayat Ullah, Mirza Hameedullah Beg, A. M. Ahmadi

Being a Chief Minister of an Indian State.

Barrister A.R.Antuley. Abdullah's and Mufti's in J&K.

Being a Bollywood and other regional films superstar.

Salman Khan, Amir Khan, Saif Ali Khan, Arshad Warsi, Shahrukh Khan, Feroze Khan, Naseeruddin Shah.

Mamotty (Real name Mohammed Kutty)

Madhbala, Meena Kumari, Nargis in females.

Sadha in south.

Being a successful businessman.

Azim Premji - Wipro
Shahnaz Husain - Beauty Products
Sahil Khan - (CMD S.K.Group)
Fakhruddin T. Khorakiwala - Akabarallys and Wockhardt
Yusuf Hamied - Cipla
Zoher H Khorakiwala - Monginis


Being a Captain of Indian Cricket Team


Nawab of Pataudi, Sr.
Nawab of Pataudi, Jr.
Mohammed Azharuddin
Ghulam Ahmed

Being an ACM of IAF

ACM Idris Hasan Latif

Being a gallant soldier of Indian Armed Forces


Param Vir Chakra

Company Havildar Major Abdul Hamid, (4 Grenadiers)

Maha Vir Chakra

Mohammed Ismail: 1947-48 Operation
Lt.Col Salim Caleb: 1965 Indo Pak War
Mohammed Usman: Indo-Pakistan War

Shaurya Chakra

Rifleman Raiece Ahmad Ganaie, Jammy & Kashmir Light Infantry/50 Rashtriya Rifles
Havildar Mohammad Maroof: 23 Rajput Regiment,
Havildar Abrahim: Jammu And Kashmir Light Infantry/47 Rashtriya Rifles
Rifleman Riyaz Ahmad Bhat: Assam Regiment/35 Rashtriya Rifles

Being Proud muslim Indians on defence.pk

Garibnawaz, Ejaz, Angrez K Jailer and the members I don't know.

and the list goes onn.......... and onn........... and onn.........


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This all do not mean at all that Muslims are not at all discriminated in india. u can take several such examples for Hindus in Pakistan (although being a minority with 1% of population of pakistan).
 
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Why are Pakistanis so concerned about the plight of Indian citizens? Don't they have much much bigger problems in their own backyard?

Obviously, some Pakistanis feel that by highlighting the problem of their neighbours, their own problems will feel minute.They are of course wrong.

Ejaz posts on this topic is sufficient, we don't need Pakistanis to tell us how evil India is to continue to suppress minorities.
The same for u to brother:)

Y indians are too concerned about the internal affairs of Pakistan? y to open a thread for a girl-rape in pakistan? then y not for in india?
 
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Boy oh boy. Long time since I visited the forum but the obsession of Pakistan with "Indian Muslims" has not gone away and neither has the assertion of fellow Indians that all is hunky dory.

why do you people have this fascination with muslims in india, fair enough there is some discrimination, everyone knows it but how does it bother you.

Do you know that for every one starving muslim in India, there are 4 hindus. Not that it is anything to be proud of but it just reflects Pak's obsession with muslims across the world. It clearly implies that you don't give a **** about humanity and global hunger. You people just concerned with muslims and that too in India.

There are swathes of poor muslims in Somalia, Afghanistan,Iraq , I have never seen a thread showing a shread of concern about them. Forget those, what about Pak, things are not exactly great over there for muslims.

My point is (for both indians and pakistanis), stop pissing your time finding deficiancies in other countries and look at your own houses.

Point well taken that Muslims are not always embraced by hindus but thats more of an individual problem than a societal cancer.

Get a life people, there are enough reasons to do finger pointing at our own nations, doing the same about other countries (repeatedly) at that , reflects on your own character and personality.
 
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Y indians are too concerned about the internal affairs of Pakistan? y to open a thread for a girl-rape in pakistan? then y not for in india?

We are concerned because whatever happens in Pakistan with regards to the taliban can have direct repercussions on India.The same is not true for India's so called suppression of Muslims.

A Muslim-dominated colony in New Delhi waiting for roads, water for 25 yrs

I've lived in Delhi all my life and i've never heard of this place. Perhaps because the colony is actually a slum,and guess what? the conditions of slums in even delhi is bad. Irrespective of people who reside there.

The only muslim majority neighbourhood that i know of is Nizamuddin, (Because there are very few Muslim/Christian/Sikh/etc colonies anymore because of better integration) and conditions there are no different from any other colony. No wait, there is one difference. Nizamuddin has better street food!
 
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Why are Pakistanis so concerned about the plight of Indian citizens? Don't they have much much bigger problems in their own backyard?

Obviously, some Pakistanis feel that by highlighting the problem of their neighbours, their own problems will feel minute.They are of course wrong.

Ejaz posts on this topic is sufficient, we don't need Pakistanis to tell us how evil India is to continue to suppress minorities.

With current deteriorating situation in pakistan to a war zone, they had to re-convince themselves about creation of separate nation that they can't administer.
They think, looking down upon their neighbor muslims would keep them in their wet dreams.
That's why we occasionally see reference to Naxals and states like manipur, nagaland and coming violence tornado in india etc etc and no wonder most pakistanis dont have a clue what naxals are fighting for. To disappoint you, apart from 1.5 m active troops in indian army, india has about 2 m para-military reserves which can easily take out 20000 naxals armed with bow and arrow in matter of weeks.
India is a democracy and thus a soft power. Until now Naxals werenot engaged fully as they were not regarded as anti-national elements.
I would support the cause of pakistanis helping naxals so that we can label them as threat and end their clown show once and for all.

Continue living in denial and pakistan will set Guinness book of world record for highest number of terrorist attacks.:bunny:
 
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This all do not mean at all that Muslims are not at all discriminated in india. u can take several such examples for Hindus in Pakistan (although being a minority with 1% of population of pakistan).

Enlighten us! How many pakistani's Hindu's, christian, sikh or jew joined this forum ? Let me answer you in your own language - sifar

None of the indians minorities in this forum has expressed their discontent from our constitution and democracy, yet you all want to live in coco land and come up with all conspiracy/propaganda stuff.
They are none of the bright stars, they are ordinary people.

And let me correct you, Hindu's were state sponsored-ly reduced to 1% minority in pakistan. Wasnot yusuf yohana forcefully converted to muslim before being awarded as captaincy of pak cricket team?
 
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Enlighten us! How many pakistani's Hindu's, christian, sikh or jew joined this forum ? Let me answer you in your own language - sifar

None of the indians minorities in this forum has expressed their discontent from our constitution and democracy, yet you all want to live in coco land and come up with all conspiracy/propaganda stuff.
They are none of the bright stars, they are ordinary people.

And let me correct you, Hindu's were state sponsored-ly reduced to 1% minority in pakistan. Wasnot yusuf yohana forcefully converted to muslim before being awarded as captaincy of pak cricket team?

:) amusing argument.

Now you will jusify the plight iof millions of Indian Muslims by comparing it with how many non-Muslims from Pakistan joined this forum.

anyway Pakistan or Pakistanis have nohting to do with sorry plight of Millions of Indian Muslims.
 
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Enlighten us! How many pakistani's Hindu's, christian, sikh or jew joined this forum ? Let me answer you in your own language - sifar

None of the indians minorities in this forum has expressed their discontent from our constitution and democracy, yet you all want to live in coco land and come up with all conspiracy/propaganda stuff.
They are none of the bright stars, they are ordinary people.

And let me correct you, Hindu's were state sponsored-ly reduced to 1% minority in pakistan. Wasnot yusuf yohana forcefully converted to muslim before being awarded as captaincy of pak cricket team?
Majority of Hindus in Pakistan live in slums so they really dont use Internet! however in populous cities like Karachi and Lahore, they are on higher ranks and well educated. They dont use this forum, ask to them! m not responsible for them!

2ndly, hindus in pak are not even equal to 10 Laks! so with this ratio, there shud not be a single hindu on this forum!

Lol, u need to read Muhammad Yousuf's History first! Mohamamd Yousuf accepted Islam b4 3 years of declaration to the public! so improve ur knowledge and then argue!
 
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We are concerned because whatever happens in Pakistan with regards to the taliban can have direct repercussions on India.The same is not true for India's so called suppression of Muslims.



I've lived in Delhi all my life and i've never heard of this place. Perhaps because the colony is actually a slum,and guess what? the conditions of slums in even delhi is bad. Irrespective of people who reside there.

The only muslim majority neighbourhood that i know of is Nizamuddin, (Because there are very few Muslim/Christian/Sikh/etc colonies anymore because of better integration) and conditions there are no different from any other colony. No wait, there is one difference. Nizamuddin has better street food!
haha... lol... so u r concerned with taliban! y? they are terrorists? yes?

u hold millions of terrorists inside u! in the face of indian army killing innocent Kashmiris, Sikhs and Christians are being victimized by the racists of india (who are never less than the population of Pakistan). so it is clear we cannot compare u in terms of number of terrorists! u won this race already!
 
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