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Tipu would have enjoyed status of Shivaji if he was a Hindu: Karnad

The British themselves acknowledge the majesty of Tipu Sultan while they looked down on hindus as weak cowards. The supreme court had to issue such statements because butt hurt sanghis cannot digest history. For them the coward pratap is some super hero who defeated Akbar.
 
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The British themselves acknowledge the majesty of Tipu Sultan while they looked down on hindus as weak cowards. The supreme court had to issue such statements because butt hurt sanghis cannot digest history. For them the coward pratap is some super hero who defeated Akbar.

Dil Ko Behlane Ke Liye Ghalib Ye Khayal Achha Hai :lol:
 
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...ls-to-arrest-troublemakers/article9312461.ece
Bengaluru, November 7, 2016

Review of law and order in wake of Tipu Jayanti celebrations
In a bid to maintain law and order during Tipu Jayanti celebrations, which has been opposed by right-wing groups, Chief Minister Siddaramaiah directed the police to carry out preventive arrests of elements known to create trouble.

The Chief Minister, who reviewed the law and order situation in the State at a meeting with senior police officers here on Sunday, instructed the Intelligence to keep a strong vigil on all trouble-makers to prevent repeat of last year’s communal violence during the celebrations.

He also ordered the Deputy Commissioners of all districts to be stationed at the headquarters and top police officials to be on the spot overseeing security measures. This comes in the light of the controversy over the absence of Madikeri Deputy Commissioner and Superintendent of Police in the district when violence broke out.

Directing the officials to leave no stone unturned to effectively maintain law and order, he said some people were trying to politicise the Tipu Jayanti celebrations. “They are trying to gain political mileage and are only interested in disturbing peace and harmony in society. This should not be allowed” he said.

Home Minister G. Parameshwara, his advisor Kempaiah, the Chief Minister’s parliamentary secretary K. Govindaraju, Principal Secretary (Kannada and Culture) Umashankar, Director Dayanand and Director-General and Inspector-General of Police Om Prakash, apart from other top officials were present.



http://www.deccanherald.com/content/579827/tipu-jayanti-karnataka-govt-seeks.html
Karnataka government has sought 1,600 central paramilitary personnel for deployment during Tipu Sultan Jayanti, which is expected to face protests from some organisations.


The state government has requested the Union Home Ministry to provide 16 companies (100 personnel in each company) of paramilitary force, official sources said.

However, the Home Ministry is yet to take a final decision on how many of the paramilitary personnel would be made available for Karnataka.

The Tipu Jayanti celebration for the second time will be held on November 10.
 
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Lol comparing little usurper piece of shiit tipu with marathas who made Mughal emperor their pensioner and their empire took peshawar from Afghan durrani even before sikhs.


Your Precious Marhatas Were Beaten Black and Blue By Ahmed Shah Durrani They Took Nothing

Here is a difference I want to highlight.

Hindus do celebrate muslim rulers who were enlightened and good rulers. People like Akbar or razia sultana for example. And obviously many hindus do celebrate even muslim controversial rulers like tipu and orangzeb (hence the controvercy).

But muslims, of the pakistani kind (mentally) however not only want to celebrate only muslim rulers, they only seek out muslim rulers who were intolerant and mass murderers and idol breakers (like timur, ghori, ghaznavi, abdali, orangzeb, tipu etc) and they actually ignore benevolent muslim rulers, like Akbar.

This extremely hateful nature of some muslims is the main reason of the religious mess in south asia.

Who Told You We Ignore Akbar???????

And status APJ Abdul Kalam would have enjoyed, had he been a Hindu and NOT a Muslim? Just imagine...


And had Tipu been a Hindu would he have forcibly converted Muslims or slaughtered them or destroyed their mosques??? The devil is in the details smarty pants!


What silly Hinduphobic BS by a known hindu baiter. Shivaji is admired for his noble deeds, not just military prowess. The stories we hear of him, includes one in which Kalyan's Subedar's daughter in law was captured along with treasury by his top general and presented as a gift to Shivaji.

As per Islam that very pretty girl was war booty. ( rem what was done to daughters of raja dahir by a non hindu hero? ) Shivaji, seeing her beauty exclaimed ... aah, had my mother been so beautiful, I also could have been born good looking...

hearing this the general was so ashamed... and then Shivaji gave a copy of Quran to the girl as a sign that she was pure and untouched and sent her back to the Subedar of Kalyan.

This is why Shivaji is revered. He is not known to have destroyed Mosques or forcibly converted or slaughtered Muslims and Christians. Shivaji is admired for the qualities that we as a nation today want to develop.

Just making such a sensationalist Hinduphobic rant without the FACTS is fashionable now.... its getting tiring.


Why Don't You Breathe Some Fresh Air And Read Some Proper History


When Marathas invaded Bengal in 1742, they committed all sorts of barbaric and sinful acts. Jadunath Sarkar quotes a contemporary account of Bengali Poet Gangaram describing the atrocities committed by the Maratha soldiers:

They dragged away the beautiful women, tying their fingers to their necks with ropes. When one Bargi (a Maratha soldier who was supplied with his mount and arms by government) had done with a woman, another seized her; the women shrieked in the agony and ravishment. The Bargis after thus committing all sinful acts, set these women free. Then, after looting in the open, the Bargis entered the villages. They set fire to the houses, large and small, temples and dwelling places. After burning the villages, they roamed about on all sides plundering. Some victims they tied up with their arms twisted behind them. Some they flung down and kicked with their shoes. They constantly shouted, ‘Give us Rupees, Give us Rupees, Give us Rupees.’ (pp. 49-50) (bold ours)

In the footnote of the same page, Sarkar writes:

The Maratha soldiers were notorious for their practice of gang-rape in invaded territories from a very early time. In 1683 when they invaded Goa districts under the eyes of their king Shambhuji, they committed this kind of outrage. A contemporary Portuguese account of that war states: “These enemies were so barbarous that when a woman appeared very beautiful (lit., best) to them, five or six of them violated her by lying with that woman alone. (p. 49) (bold ours)




Shivaji is known for his religious tolerance, while Tipu is known for the opposite.

However, that should not under-play his role against the British.

Tipu Sultan Was Known For Establishing A Modern State Comparable With Any European State At The Time
Whereas Shivaji Was Known For:


“The Marathas plundered the town at their leisure. Shivaji looted the town for four days, and the booty was stupendous. The wealth obtained in this raid is said to have amounted to a sum of one crore of rupees,” author HS Sardesai, says in the book, Shivaji, the Great Maratha, Volume 2. “On October 3, 1670, Shivaji repeated his exploits at Surat. Property worth about Rs132 lakhs was looted and Surat remained in continual dread of the Marathas,” Sardesai says further. The real loss of Surat, says Sardesai, was not in the booty carried away by the Marathas, but “the trade of this, the richest port of India, was practically destroyed”.

In his book, ‘Surat in the Seventeenth Century’, BG Gokhale states about the January 1664 attack: “The Marathas pillaged homes and the sarais, burnt down nearly half of the town and retreated carrying with them enormous booty.”


In the Maharashtra Purana, a poem in Bengali written by Gangaram, the poet describes the destruction caused by the raiders in great detail:

“This time none escaped,
Brahmanas, and Vaisnavas, Sannyasis, and householders,
all had the same fate, and cows were massacred along with men.”


So When Muslims Slaughter Cows They Get Lynched But When Marhatas Do It,They Have Airports Named After Them And Statues Erected In Their Honour
 
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Tipu Sultan, the ruler of Mysore, had been everyone’s icon. The recent efforts of the Hindu right to project him as a Muslim bigot show that their political stakes in him have changed.
Four years ago, in late 2012, after walking out of Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) to form his own party, the Karnataka Janatha Paksha, B.S. Yeddyurappa had donned Tipu Sultan’s headgear and held a mock sword while praising the ruler’s virtues at a function for seeking the support of Muslim voters. Back in the BJP two years later, and now its State president, Mr. Yeddyurappa is at the forefront of the BJP’s opposition to the celebration of Tipu Jayanthi in Karnataka on November 10. As symbolic currency, historical icons can come in handy in opportunistic ways.

Demonising a cultural icon

Through the mysterious process of mythification seen in India, which frees individuals from their community identity in cultural memory, Tipu Sultan, the ruler of Mysore (1750-1799), appeared as everyone’s icon. He was the Tiger of Mysore.

Several Kannada folk songs (lavanis) lamenting his death were in circulation in the 19th century, the earliest dating back to 1800, the year after he died in the battlefield. This is a very special fact since folk songs do not exist for any of the kings of Karnataka. They exist for only tragic heroes like Tipu and other local chieftains who died at the hands of the British.

Thousands of plays on Tipu have been staged across the State during the late 19th century and 20th centuries. History textbooks and popular literature, like the Amar Chitra Katha comics, were unequivocal in viewing him as a brave martyr who went down fighting the British. Even the concise Kannada biography on Tipu that the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh published in the late 1970s, in its “Bharata Bharati” series, only praises him as a patriot and heroic personality, without offering any negative comment on him.

The recent efforts of the Hindu right wing to project Tipu as a Muslim bigot show that their political stakes in him have changed. Among their chief complaints: he killed thousands of Kodavas in Coorg and forcibly converted Catholic Christians of Mangalore into Muslims.

While Tipu did commit violence in Coorg and Mangalore, recovering its scale or his intentions is by no means a simple task. Academic Michael Soracoe, for instance, has recently drawn attention to the extensive phobic material on Tipu created by the English officials, writers, painters, and cartoonists in the last two decades of the 18th century, i.e. when Tipu challenged the English in military combat, which cast him as a Muslim fanatic who broke Hindu temples and converted local Hindus and Christians into Muslims. It now seemed only proper for the British to take over Mysore and save his subjects.

This new sense of imperial purpose, argues Mr. Soracoe, even helped overcome the image of the East India Company as corrupt and unfit for embarking on political rule in India. The images of Tipu as cruel and bigoted, which flourished in English writings all through the 19th century, now surface in right-wing complaints about him (“He destroyed 8,000 temples in Mysore!”).

Historian Kate Brittlebank, who has worked extensively on Tipu, attributes his violence towards the Kodavas and the Mangalore Christians to his expansionist military strategy. Since he wanted to annex Coorg and Mangalore, which were bordering Mysore kingdom, and since he was at war with the British more or less continuously between 1780 and 1799, the frequent support for the British seen in Coorg and Mangalore made him put down those pro-British forces violently.

Understanding pre-modern contexts

The brute killings that underlie the work of running and expanding kingdoms usually do not stand out in routine historical accounts where rulers come and go as anaemic matters of fact. The violence and the deaths behind it all stand muted and anonymised. Raja Raja Chola and Krishnadevaraya, among many others, appear as great warrior kings without their victims anywhere in sight. The royal violence can lose anonymity in India’s charged communal politics, though, when the perpetrator of violence is a Muslim king, like Tipu Sultan, and create new kinship with the past victims.

At any rate, what has become clear, yet again, is the ease with which modern discussions are able to simplify the pre-modern social worlds.

During Tipu’s rule, the administrative transactions within Mysore were done in Persian, Kannada and Marathi. All of his key ministers were upper-caste Brahmins. Of course, his generous endowments to major Hindu temples and monastic orders in the State are well recorded. The 10-day grand Dasara celebrations continued with a member of the Wodeyar royal family presiding over the festivities. Besides, forcible religious conversions have not been documented anywhere in Mysore. The complex style of Tipu’s rule in Mysore should make it hard for anyone to simply view him as a religious fanatic.

Focusing solely, as right-wing discussions do, on Tipu’s religious views, threatens to eclipse his versatile personality. His letters to the Nizam and the Marathas show that he viewed the British as a new kind of political enemy whose rule would hurt the region’s future in drastic ways, qualifying him perhaps as an early freedom fighter. His keenness in the upgradation of his military equipment has impressed engineers, scientists and others who value advances in technology. And those who admire the institution of the modern state have appreciated that Tipu fine-tuned his revenue collection networks and tried to create a centralised bureaucracy. The over 2,000 books in Tipu’s personal library, which were sent to Oxford and Cambridge Universities in England and to the College of Fort William and Royal Asiatic Society in Calcutta after his death, show the rich range of his intellectual interests: astronomy, law, mathematics, among others.

Ought Karnataka to celebrate Tipu Jayanthi? No, the way it ought to never have celebrated Basava Jayanthi, Kanaka Jayanthi and Valmiki Jayanthi. Not only might these figures not be above criticism, their symbolic affinity with specific castes in the State make their celebration a public affirmation of the bargaining clout of those castes. As a gesture of the state, singling out only a few figures as worthy for the Jayanthi commemoration is also to openly slight the other castes/religions/tribes whose community icons have not been conferred with a state commemoration. And to set off competitive rivalry among those communities to mark their presence in the State’s calendar.
 
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I seem to have noticed that of late @ kahonapyarhai & all the anti India threads & articles seems to have vanished .Suddenly we seem to be bombarded with @ Hindustani78 & pro India articles & threads.

Am I the only person observing this change ?
 
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I seem to have noticed that of late @ kahonapyarhai & all the anti India threads & articles seems to have vanished .Suddenly we seem to be bombarded with @ Hindustani78 & pro India articles & threads.

Am I the only person observing this change ?

They kicked out a whole bunch of Indians and found view ship and participation had dropped.

So strategy change,

Will you walk into my parlour?” said the Spider to the Fly,
'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
And I've a many curious things to show when you are there.”
 
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The former Minister, Basavaraj Horatti, and HDMC member Rajanna Koravi displaying photographs of BJP leaders Jagadish Shettar and B.S. Yeddyurappa donning the turban akin to that of Tipu Sultan in the past, in Hubballi.— photo: Girish Pattanashetti

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/was-bjp-always-antitipu/article9326016.ece?ref=tpnews

“The modern history of Karnataka covering the period 1782-1799 is known for the significant role played by Tipu Sultan, popularly known as the tiger of the Mysore kingdom. His concept of nation State, his idea of State entrepreneurship, his advanced military skill, his zeal for reforms, etc. make him a unique leader far ahead of his age.”

This quote is from an introduction written by the former Chief Minister and Bharatiya Janata Party leader, Jagadish Shettar, in the book ‘Tipu Sultan, a crusader for change’ by well-known scholar Sheikh Ali, published by the Karnataka government.

Such comments made in the past have become ammunition for the BJP’s critics and rivals, who question the party’s heated anti-Tipu Jayanti campaign.

The former Minister and Janata Dal (Secular) leader Basavaraj Horatti released two photographs, at a press conference in Hubballi, of B.S. Yeddyurappa and Mr. Shettar wearing turbans akin to the one worn by Tipu at different points of time. He said they were taken at functions attended by the two leaders in the past to remember Tipu.

Congress leaders have also pointed out that Mr. Yeddyurappa visited Tipu’s monuments after he broke away from the BJP and headed the Karnataka Janata Paksha in 2013.

“The politicians should know what they have spoken earlier,” said Mr. Horatti. “Now for political reasons, they are opposing Tipu Jayanti.” He also accused the Congress of being “bent on holding celebrations even in places where it has become an emotional issue for a particular community, just to please another section.”

Speaking to the The Hindu, Mr. Shettar said: “We are opposed to the State government celebrating Tipu Jayanti and many facts have come to light since it became a government-sponsored celebration.”

However, there are other examples of BJP leaders going soft on Tipu in the past. Sriramulu, BJP MP, who has been conspicuously quiet on the issue, has had a long association with the descendants of the king’s family.

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Our Hassan Staff Correspondent reports:

Hailing Tipu Sultan as the ruler who provided land for the tillers, Minister for Sericulture and Animal Husbandry A.Manju said remembering his contributions was the duty of the present generation. He was speaking after inaugurating Tipu Jayanti celebrations in Hassan on Thursday.

Tipu Sultan held the reins of power at a young age. He fought against more than 200 palegars only to provide land ownership rights to the tillers. “Tipu had started what Indira Gandhi introduced in the recent years. Hundreds of people belonged to backward classes got land because of his vision”, he said. Taking a dig at people criticising Tipu as anti-Hindu, Mr. Manju said there had been records to show that he contributed funds to many Hindu temples regularly. “Tipu does not belong to any particular community. He is an asset to the state”, he said.

Further, he said there was no other ruler in history who pledged his two children in the interest of his state. “We cannot find such people in the present times when rulers are making efforts to bring their children also to politics.”

Hassan MLA H.S. Prakash hit out at those opposing the Tipu Jayanti programme stating, people of his time gave him the title 'Mysore Tiger' and that alone was suffice to gauge his contributions to society. “We have records to show that Tipu Sultan came to the rescue of Sringeri Mutt, which was attacked by enemies. He was the one who brought in the law banning cow slaughter. Those opposing him need to study history”, he said.

Dr.Vidya, Professor of History, delivered a lecture on Tipu Sultan. Senior officers of Hassan district administration and people’s representatives were present.

Hassan district administration had clamped prohibitory orders across the district in view of the programme. The police were deployed to avoid untoward incidents.
 
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Karnataka CM Siddaramaiah pays respects to Tipu Sultan in the presence of ministers R Roshan Baig and K J George during the inauguration of the Hazrat Tipu Jayanthi in Bengaluru.

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May be he would have, but tipu was not hindu and certainly not shivaji. So why hue and cry.
 
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May be he would have, but tipu was not hindu and certainly not shivaji. So why hue and cry.

Tipu was the antithesis of Shivaji.

A Bigot and a cruel islamist jihadi who wanted nothing more than to establish his Taliban rule in India.

Did you know he was the first to exile all Ahmadi muslims from his kingdom ? Even before Pakistan declared them 'non muslims' :lol:
 
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