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What people call Socialism today has been apart of Islam since its inception.

I think you misunderstood me. Socialism as in erswhile USSR/ Eastern European block or the Chinese (they are different among themselves too) is quite different than the one Jamahir supports, which is nothing but a Gaddafi cult (few sprinkles of Socialism along with a dictators' whims topped with an Islamic flavour).
 
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I think you misunderstood me. Socialism as in erswhile USSR/ Eastern European block or the Chinese (they are different among themselves too) is quite different than the one Jamahir supports, which is nothing but a Gaddafi cult (few sprinkles of Socialism along with a dictators' whims topped with an Islamic flavour).
I don't know much about Gaddafi's version of Socialism.
 
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umm...

1. not accept tipu as leader but choose to live under the british boot.
2. accept tipu as leader and involve the french in together taking india to progress.

right...

If Tipu could ally with the French (who themselves were equally horrible colonizers and foreigners), he is to be hailed as 'liberator' against the British boots. But if the countless Hindus/Christian Victims of his maniac bouts of tyranny turned to British out of sheer desperation to save their own lives, they are to be stoned in the public as 'traitors'! Of course!

Don't you even forget that the British, the French and even Tipu Sultan himself were all foreigners for the local population of Mysore Kingdom! And never even mind the countless atrocities the maniac Tipu committed against the Hindus/Christians of the region at that time!

The amount of BS that we teach to our kids about Tipu as a liberator while totally overlooking his ruthless rule is actually mind-boggling for any country, never mind the secular, democratic republic of India. @SarthakGanguly @Tridibans @MarkovChain

you are being the bigot here... in time, tipu would have sent the britishers packing out of south asia.

In turn, the French would then have made Mysore as one of their colonies - a la North Africa/Pondicherry! So what's your point?

And if you thought the French themselves didn't dream of turning India into one of their own colonies, you are chronically stupid or intentionally 'naive'!

and we all know how those "true rulers of mysore", the wodeyars, were such great opposition of the britishers. :lol:

Vilifying the "true rulers of Mysore" just so that you can glorify a tyrant invader who usurped their lands?

Tipu forcibly converted thousands of people, enslaved and decapitated those who refused. Who the heck would choose option (2) under such circumstances?
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surely, fiction, mostly.
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Just like the treatment Yezidis are getting right at this moment is also "surely fiction, mostly"?

You guys have been allowed to spout this non-sense for far too long that there has never been any sort of forced conversion under the threat of sword. Despite even the graphic and videographic details coming out from Yezidi villages!
 
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If Tipu could ally with the French (who themselves were equally horrible colonizers and foreigners), he is to be hailed as 'liberator' against the British boots. But if the countless Hindus/Christian Victims of his maniac bouts of tyranny turned to British out of sheer desperation to save their own lives, they are to be stoned in the public as 'traitors'! Of course!

was tipu a mad bull loose on the street, goring people without rhyme or reason?? why were these people being fanatical about hating the muslim and not looking at the sense in his ways?? to where has anti-tipu actions brought india now?? a happy place india, is it??

Don't you even forget that the British, the French and even Tipu Sultan himself were all foreigners for the local population of Mysore Kingdom! And never even mind the countless atrocities the maniac Tipu committed against the Hindus/Christians of the region at that time!

even the hindus ( vedic people ) were foreigners at one point... fair??

In turn, the French would then have made Mysore as one of their colonies - a la North Africa/Pondicherry! So what's your point?

it is the independent tipu we are talking of, not some two-bit puppet.

And if you thought the French themselves didn't dream of turning India into one of their own colonies, you are chronically stupid or intentionally 'naive'!

the revolutionary french and tipu sultan probably saw comradely attitude in each other and peoples of great ambition... from ( Tippu Sultan | History of Islam )...
Tippu’s life spanned a period when new ideas and new institutions transformed the landscape of Europe and North America, while Asia recoiled from within. It was the age of the Industrial Revolution. Starting with the invention of the steam engine in 1758, Europe forged ahead in consolidating its technological superiority over the rest of the world. It was the age of the American Revolution (1776) and the eloquent assertion of the rights of man by Thomas Jefferson. It was also the age of the French Revolution (1789) and the abolition of oppressive feudalism in continental Europe. Tippu’s existential vision reached out to the ideas in these momentous changes. But he lived in an environment that had lost its social, political and spiritual vitality, and he was done-in by his own people, while America and Europe moved forward to the modern age.


further, napoleon bonaparte was a admirer of islam, of which he probably saw a proper follower in tipu... from ( French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte's Islam | Fiqh Council Of North America )...
Napoleon very much appreciated Islam and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). He studied the Qur’an as well as the life of Prophet Muhammad and appropriated that knowledge to realize his world ambitions. He converted to Islam and took the name of “Ali Bonaparte.” He was a student of oriental history in general and Islamic history in particular.


from ( Is it true that General Napoleon Bonaparte was finally Muslim? - Bubblews )...
Eventually he found the advantages of the Koran, as well as all the stories behind them. In a book entitled 'Bonaparte et I'Islarn by Cherlifs, Paris, pages 105', Napoleon Bonaparte said as follows:

“I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the prinsiples of the Qur’an wich alone can lead men to happiness.”

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@The_Showstopper @takeiteasy @Jobless Jack @DESERT FIGHTER @Desert Fox @haviZsultan @WAJsal @Color_Less_Sky @Shamain @save_ghenda ^^^
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Just like the treatment Yezidis are getting right at this moment is also "surely fiction, mostly"?

You guys have been allowed to spout this non-sense for far too long that there has never been any sort of forced conversion under the threat of sword. Despite even the graphic and videographic details coming out from Yezidi villages!

you compare the anti-islam qaeda/isis to such a man as tipu... improper.

I don't know much about Gaddafi's version of Socialism.

libyan socialism has transcended boundaries of region and religion, and can be divided into two, (a). the "jamahiriya" arrangement of society based on direct-democracy, (b). the libyan revolutionary understanding of socio-economic aspects of then-existent or older forms socialism, be it teachings of prophet jesus or of prophet muhammad or of marx and lenin.

while the jamahiriya idea is eternal and applicable to all human society, one must see the remaining parts of libyan socialism as basis for development towards true communism... jamahiriya works properly only under guidance of socialism.

this is the "green manifesto", technically called the "international green charter" or in better words, "great green document", much simpler than the "uno human rights charter" ( International Green Charter ).

the "green book" which defines a jamahiriya direct-democracy socialist society ( at least what libya had until 2011 ) ( The Green Book ).
 
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@Razia Sultana

your opinion please on my post ( Tipu Sultan's weapons auctioned for six million pounds | Page 3 ).

Tipu was the exact opposite of your Green revolution. Still you support him only because of religion. OH.... And I forgot.....

do look at long tipu post where i address this.

I don't know about you but most philosophers disagree that Socialism and Islamic politics can ever co-exist.

1. true islam is different from attitude of reactionary "muslims" who misinterpret islam.

2. which philosophers would you mention here??

How many centuries Gaddafi's Libya survived you said?

41 fine years... though we say that the libyan jamahiriya is just the first jamahiriya, yet to come is "world jamahiriya".

I would hate it, if even a single pound out of those 6 million was from India.

Tipu sultan, a bigot out n out. Good thing that Britishers killed him like a mad dog.

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but do try to read my previous long post.
 
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These indians are plain jealous bugs who say crap abt tipu. No class and sense. Thet desereve the kinda weird emperoes they had. @jamahir
 
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These indians are plain jealous bugs who say crap abt tipu. No class and sense. Thet desereve the kinda weird emperoes they had. @jamahir

not all indians, though. :-)

vijay mallya, former owner of the now-shut-down kingfisher airlines, bought a sword of tipu in 2004...

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and you may know of the old sanjay khan tv serial, "the sword of tipu sultan"...

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That serial was crap bari galat us may storylines injected theen. Like pundit purnia was shown a good guy.khair indian hindu producers will defo do suc things. Nothing better expected.
 
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That serial was crap bari galat us may storylines injected theen. Like pundit purnia was shown a good guy.khair indian hindu producers will defo do suc things. Nothing better expected.

1. it was made in the melodramatic cinema style of the late 80's and early 90's.

2. it included political-correctness because doordarshan is government channel and it is difficult for historical accuracies to be depicted in india.

3. i think it was the first historical drama that depicted a muslim ruler on indian tv.

4. it had bjp-affliated lawyers and groups agitating against it.

5. it continued despite a major fire on the sets...
Fire
A major fire accident took place on 8 February 1990, in the Premier Studios of Mysore where the drama was being shot. Unavailability of firefighting equipment and ignorance of fire safety standards have been quoted as the major reasons.[12] Loose wiring and absence of ventilators were further causes for the fire to spread. Instead of fire-proofing material, the walls had gunny bags and the temperature rose to around 120°C (248°F) because of huge lights being used for the shooting. All these factors contributed to the massive fire; the final death toll was 62. Sanjay Khan himself suffered major burns and had to spend 13 months in hospital and undergo 72 surgeries. An ex-gratia amount of Rs. 5000 was paid to some of the victims
 
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Hum musalmano ko hamesha sab say achay rulers milay hain past may.
 
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but do try to read my previous long post.


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All neutral sources indicate him being a rabid mad mullah who converted Hindus and Christians by force. And that pig of an Islamist invited Zaman shah to invade India to kill "kaffirs , the worshipper of many god, the followers of false religion" and to wage a "holy jihad against infidels and free the region of hindustan" - Extracts from letter written by Tipu sultan to Zaman shah and Caliph.




Entire wealth for every temple was confiscated by mad mullah Tipu before 1790. Only two temples in whole of Tipu's kingdom were having daily pujas and that too because Brahmin astrologers of those two temples use to read Tipu's horoscope.

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Tipu destroyed at least three Hindu temples: the Harihareswara temple at Harihar, the Varahaswami temple at Srirangapatnam, and the Odakaraya temple at Hospet. In the Tamil land and in Malabar, he earned the sobriquet of “a Brahman-killer and a despoiler of south Indian temples” (Brittlebank, 1997, pp. 125-126; see also Logan, 1887/2000, p. 449).







His forced conversion, circumcision, and merciless massacre of the Hindus and Christians in Malabar have been graphically described by the Portuguese traveler Fra Paolino da San Bartolomeo (1748-1806; Bartolomeo, 1800). Roderick Mackenzie (1793) commented on Tipu’s march to Trinomaly and his mayhem there in 1790: Here neither respect, for the grandeur and antiquity of their temples, nor veneration for the sacred rites of a religion whose origin no time records, proved any protection for the persons or property, even of the first Brahmins. Their pagodas, breached with sacrilegious cannon, were forcibly entered, their altars defiled, their valuables seized, their dwellings reduced to ashes, and the devastation was rendered still more horrible by the scattered remains of men, women and children, mangled beneath a murderous sword. (Vol. 1, p. 203)







Tipu Sultan’s ceremonial sword bears an unabashed admission inscribed on it: “My victorious sabre is lightning for the destruction of the unbelievers. He publicly claimed himself to be a descendant of Muhammad and his avowed aim was “to restore the religion of that prophet by destroying or proselytizing all heathens and infidels.” At the center of his personal seal that validated all his public dispatches the Arabic inscription reads: “I am the messenger of the true faith;” around the edge of the seal a couplet in Persian reads: “From conquest, and the protection of the Royal Hyder, comes my title of Sultan; and the world, as under the sun and moon, subject to my signet” (Dirom, 1794, p. 251)








His own writings (Sultan-ut-Tawarikh and Tarikh-I-Khudadadi) speak eloquently of his religious fanaticism (Sharma, 1991, p. 109, inscription on Tipu’s sword cited on p. 118). He even dreamed of either converting or conquering the infidel (M. Husain, 1957, 64 # 13, p. 67 # 17)






As a contemporary estimate has it, a dark and intolerant bigotry excluded from Tippoo’s choice all but the true believers; and unlimited persecution united in detestation of his rule every Hindoo in his dominions. In the Hindoos no degree of merit was a passport to favour; in the Mussulman no crime could ensure displeasure. (Wilks, 1810-1817/1869, Vol. 2, p. 383)







Tipu expressed in his letter of February 16, 1799, to the Grand Seignior of Constantinople for the latter’s desire, "for the sake of the whole body of the faith and religious brotherhood, to afford assistance to our Brethren Mussulmans; support our holy theology and not withhold my [Tipu’s] power and endeavours in defending the region of Hindustan from the machinations and evils of these enemies [the English and the French Christians]." (Kausar, 1980, p. 268)






He invited Zaman Shah to attack the Mughal capital of Delhi because the Emperor Shah Alam had “reduced the faith to . . . weakness” (he had become a pensioner of the powerful Maratha leader of Gwalior, Mahadji Shinde, ca. 1730-1794) and the letter of invitation concluded with a report how near a hundred thousand followers of the faith, nay more, assembled every Friday, the Sabbath of the Mussulmans, in the two mosques of the capital, better known as the Aulah and the Asqa mosques, and after the prescribed form of prayers, supplicate the Bestower of all things according to the words of the Scripture, “Grant thy aid, O God! To those who aid the religion of Muhammad; and let us be of that number; Destroy those, O God! Who would destroy the religion of Muhammad; and let not us be their number”. (Kausar, 1980, 141-142)






He boasted his conquest of Calicut in a missive to Syed Abdul Dulai: " With the grace of Prophet Mohammad and Allah, almost all Hindus in Calicut are converted to Islam. Only on the borders of Cochin State a few are still not converted. I am determined to convert them also very soon. I consider this as “Jehad” to achieve that object." (cited in Sharma, 1991, pp. 111-112)






In his letter of February 10, 1799, to the Grand Seignior of Constantinople Tipu claimed that “near five hundred thousand of the infidels of the district of Calicut, Nuzzuraband, Zufferabaud, and Ashrufabaud . . . have been converted at different times” (Martin, 1837, p. 30).






In a military manual titled Fat’hul Mujahidin (Victory of the Holy Warrior), he also declared a “Holy War . . . against the English,” who were alleged to have “converted many Muslims . . . [and] enslaved many Muslim women and children . . . [and] destroyed Muslim mosques and tombs to build their idol-houses [churches] thereon” (Habib, 1999, p. xxv).



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Muslims in Tipu's reign were exempted from paying housetax and taxes on grains and other goods of their personal needs.converts were given exemption from such taxes. Tipu removed Hindus from all major administrative position and replaced them with Muslims with an exception of Diwan Purnaiah. Another change was introduction of Persian as medium of account in revenue department. In Wodeyars rule, acounts were made in Kannada and marathi.

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Now coming to excuses that seculars provide for their defence of his bigotry:

1. Presence of some Hindus in administration is often presented as a defence against his bigotry. What it completely ignored that while some Hindus were appointed at administrative post due to their administrative acumen, even an illiterate muslim was given preference over a Hindu, if skill of that Hindu were not indispensable.

All Hindu appointees were highly qualified and though all of them were not impeccable and some outright corrupt, as Francis Buchanan (1762-1829) found out, getting rid of the bad apples “was impossible, for no other persons in the country had any knowledge of business” (Buchanan, 1999, p. 167). However, Tipu appointed even illiterate Muslims as Asophs [Lord Lieutenants] who were “entirely sunk in indolence, voluptuousness, and ignorance” (Buchanan, 1999, p. 167).


2. He called Swami Sachidanand Bharti as Jagatguru . What seculars completely ignored is that he called him Jagatguru in a letter in which he implored him to impress upon Marathas to some to his aid. A slick political move.


3. Tipu patronized the temples of Sri Gandeswara and Sri Ranganatha . He did that because of his belief in Astrology. He was engulfed by a sense of Foreboding doom and often resorted to religious rituals and wore apotropaic objects and trinkets—Hindu as well as Islamic—either to avert a disaster or to attain success in his undertakings.




Anyway, Tipu hardly won any war, his father was kicked in his *** by Marathas while he himself was defeated by a small Nair force at the fortification at Nedamkota.

The reason why he is loved is because self hating Indians see his massacres of tens of thousands of people as communist revolution of 18th century, while Muslims in India see his actions as worthy of ghazi.

Even Aurangzeb was not as great ghazi as Tipu if we consider that Tipu ruled over an area which was 10 times smaller than that of Aurangzeb.Tipu is responsible for heavy Islamic presence in Malabar and concentration of Muslim population correlates well with his invasion route and devastation.

Read about Akkaral support to Tipu.The muslims of Kerala openly supported the massacres of Nairs and Namboothiris of Malabar by the hands of tipu's forces.

Kerala History and its Makers - A. Sreedhara Menon - Google Books


@SrNair @levina @MokshaVimukthi @mooppan @nair and other Keralites. Would you shine some more lights on deeds of Ghazi Tipu sultan.This is history of your state and you would be knowing much more about glorious deeds of Islamic Ghazi.

@Tridibans @doppelganger @SarthakGanguly @SitaramVillas
 
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These indians are plain jealous bugs who say crap abt tipu. No class and sense. Thet desereve the kinda weird emperoes they had. @jamahir

Reading their posts makes me want to spit on their faces.Tipu is a hero to every Pakistani.I wish someone from Pakistan buy these weapons..in Hinduon ki tareekh ghulami se bhari pari hai inko izzat kahan raas ayegi
 
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