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Timur's invasion of India, 1398 : Kings & Generals

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They were already exempt though, he had to leave them alone in his mind.

I'm sorry my friend but this does not absolve Dharmics of guilt. The world was a barbaric place in the 1300s and further on. Many Muslim women were taken as concubines and raped during Sikh and Maratha rule too. And in more recent times, during 1947 and Hyderabadi invasion of 1948.

I'd suggest you to read Bano or watch Dastaan. It's based on true events. Countless Muslim women were taken by Sikhs and forcibly converted. Muslims bore the majority of the violence during 1947.
 
Call them Sayyids or call them Satraps. This is your narrative problem not mine. People discuss military campaigns and strategy when it comes to Timur not his understanding of religion or creed.
I see, your problem is simply the inability to digest truth, Ok.
 
@Naofumi often times I feel you unjustifiably advocate on the side of Hindus and put the blame on Muslims even where it is not due. The Bharati media narrative seems to be shaping your thoughts.

Don't know under the later Marathas but Shivaji Maharaj wasn't against raping women or taking concubines. He also forbid destruction of any mosques.



Yeah Shivaji may have been against whatever. It doesn't change the ground realities of what his henchmen did. Guru Nanak was against violence but that doesn't change the fact about the Sikh carnage during Partition.
 
I'm sorry my friend but this does not absolve Dharmics of guilt. The world was a barbaric place in the 1300s and further on. Many Muslim women were taken as concubines and raped during Sikh and Maratha rule too. And in more recent times, during 1947 and Hyderabadi invasion of 1948.

I'd suggest you to read Bano or watch Dastaan. It's based on true events. Countless Muslim women were taken by Sikhs and forcibly converted. Muslims bore the majority of the violence during 1947.
That was for a historical fact only, I don't derive political truths from it.

Possibility of a next one
Haha, then bring it on.
@Naofumi often times I feel you unjustifiably advocate on the side of Hindus and put the blame on Muslims even where it is not due. The Bharati media narrative seems to be shaping your thoughts.
Dear, I just happened to read it, so I presented it here.
 
Yeah Shivaji may have been against whatever. It doesn't change the ground realities of what his henchmen did. Guru Nanak was against violence but that doesn't change the fact about the Sikh carnage during Partition.
His army were not allowed any of those things. They were punished severely if found doing that.

But again, I'm not sure how it was under the later Marathas.
 
His army were not allowed any of those things. They were punished severely if found doing that.

But again, I'm not sure how it was under the later Marathas.
There were arson, loot and probably even rape by Maratha Armies but selling-buying was not though.
 
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awein shauq hai. anything that happens in Akhand Bharat geography anywhere becomes a Hindu Muslim fight all over
Haha, then bring it on.

Let Saif's kid grow up a little. It is hard to put kids on the throne these days due to child labor laws.
 
His army were not allowed any of those things. They were punished severely if found doing that.

But again, I'm not sure how it was under the later Marathas.


I don't have time for your historical revisionism. Marathas aren't angels dropped from heavens. Just look what Shiv Sena does in Mumbai. Take your misal pav kolhapuri Jai Maharashtra bakwaas somewhere
 
There were arson, loot and probably even rape by Maratha Armies but selling-buying was not though.
Might have but Shivaji Maharaj had a strict policy against rape and destruction of mosques. In fact, many times Marathas in the early years used to spare enemy soldiers and used to give them the option to fight in their army. If they refused the option, they were sent off after extracting some monetary payment. Many even used to switch sides and join the Marathas.

I don't have time for your historical revisionism. Marathas aren't angels dropped from heavens. Just look what Shiv Sena does in Mumbai. Take your misal pav kolhapuri Jai Maharashtra bakwaas somewhere
I never said Marathas were angels. I'm just pointing out a few things. Anyway, this is going away from the topic.
 
He killed only Hindu prisoners before coming to Delhi and while plundering Delhi, he said "sayyids (or lineal descendants of the Prophet), shaikhs, and learned Mussulmans should be preserved", so there was an overall bias.
Refer to my earlier comment on judging medieval rulers through the lens of temporal relativism. He opposed anyone who stood in his way to power and immortality, Muslim or otherwise. Many Muslims he regarded as unworthy or undeserving of stewardship over their empires. Many Muslims he had personal beefs with or felt insulted by some troll exchange about females (this is at least part of the story with Bayezid). The guy was a reasonably straightforward warlord, who produced very impressive results and didn't do anything "immoral" that contemporaries in Europe and elsewhere didn't do.

The inferiority complex is quietly seeping into this thread, which is a shame, since it's a great historical discussion. What's next? Shall we dredge up Saif Ali Khan and his kid? Some of the vitriol directed at his baby on Twitter was downright terrifying and is rooted in the same inferiority complex about medieval history that I refer to. It's the 21st century and folks wished death and zika virus upon a baby because his name was Timur.

The fact is, Timur was the precursor and direct ancestor of the Mughals. He gave rise to one of the greatest and most artistically influential empires Asia ever did see. Timur himself was somewhat one dimensional but he spawned the builders of a unified, independent and strong Hindustani nation.

I think Timur should be REVERED in India and not villified, the same way as emotionally stable populations in Europe revere and respect their equally brutal precursors and forefathers (Romans, Greeks, Saxons, Celts, Vikings etc). Take England for example. Celts, Romans and Vikings literally butchered entire cities including children and females without any problem whatsoever. Yet I can guarantee you, no modern Brit will curse a baby named after Harald Hadrada or Claudius of Rome.
 

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