Time to turn Doval's doctrine on its head and get out of this stalemate situation.

[war&peace]

100% agreed with @omegalamba7XL9

Preparation for war has to be taken seriously by Pak. Right now I see nothing but talk

Humain jang ki tayyari karni chahiye,,

 

[SIPRA]

Then KArachi will have to wait till it gets rid of the PPP goons. Given the feelings and the lack of political movement from PTI in interior it is unlikely to happen.
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Apparently, yes, unfortunately.

 

[PakGuns]

Pakistan’s largest city and business hub is rotting in stagnant water, its masses reeling under high prices but still unwilling to hold themselves or their ethnic leader/gods accountable, and the diplomatic response is being kept at lip service.. and who’s going to war exactly?? The 50 or so odd regular posters of pdf??

lol... two completely different issues.... same is the case with majority of Indian cities and with extra poverty added did they stop buying weapons or gave up Kashmir?? its like hey i wont defend myself from cyz because i have laundry to do....strategic issues are different than domestic... why are you changing the topic you're being illogical btw...

 

[batmannow]

lol... two completely different issues.... same is the case with majority of Indian cities and with extra poverty added did they stop buying weapons or gave up Kashmir?? its like hey i wont defend myself from cyz because i have laundry to do....strategic issues are different than domestic... why are you changing the topic you're being illogical btw...

It's jst not only pak, u ill be facing this time chess has been setted up and there IL be multiple players from many sides

Apparently, yes, unfortunately.

Actully not bilawal bhutto, is ready to re write PPPand is in contact with state since a long time he ill bring a coalition of parties under watch of pak state

 

[PakGuns]

It's jst not only pak, u ill be facing this time chess has been setted up and there IL be multiple players from many sides


Actully not bilawal bhutto, is ready to re write PPPand is in contact with state since a long time he ill bring a coalition of parties under watch of pak state

my guess is game is being played with larger prospect this time... India.Usrael nexus was well elaborated in parliament post *** kicking of 27th feb.... and one more strong country's name was kept under wraps.... I feel that could be Russia or France..... or most probably USA because of recent failures in Afghanistan... I d say if China heats up things and kept India busy on northern front and start inching towards their claimed territory we can easily reach ladakh... I see three important factors if we have to win this in case of war..
1- Ask China to get their territory by use of force that will shift pressure from LoC and IB... we ll be able to fully concentrate on Kashmir front but nevertheless keep good defense for IB
2- fully support locals with guns and ammunition... make sikhs come out for their rights
3- Start inching(the randian policy) towards Ladakh... Neelum was quite peaceful front
they have made big mistake by bombing those areas... that terrain is God gifted and we wll dominate that front I am sure...we must invade from there....

 

[SQ8]

lol... two completely different issues.... same is the case with majority of Indian cities and with extra poverty added did they stop buying weapons or gave up Kashmir?? its like hey i wont defend myself from cyz because i have laundry to do....strategic issues are different than domestic... why are you changing the topic you're being illogical btw...

How are they different?

Unless you think funds for war grows on trees or comes down in a platter from heaven

 

[batmannow]

How are they different?

Unless you think funds for war grows on trees or comes down in a platter from heaven

Wars never fought!
Nor won by any of so called super powers on the basis of thier so called super economy?
Clear examples from history and preasent highly visible from all ends be it Vietnam, or Afghanistan or evn north Korea nowhere any so called super Power able to claim any victories so, it's jst a fake bubble from the ppls who, r over educated and thus afraid to take any challenges when it comes to thier heads?

 

[Max]

It's Pathetic how our Leadership reacts to problems, why they didn't see it coming, why they didn't gauge what would be international response? they should have ready made Policy on table in minutes and work under progress the day they presented bill in their Parliament regarding Kashmir.

If steps in Kashmir are related to Afghan failure then we should interfere even more, even try to merge Pashtun land.in Pakistan.

For now I don't know what will be the future of current crisis, maybe Kashmiri protests force Indian establishment aka supreme Court to turn it down. This is window of hope but we can't rely on it, we have to show intent to international community that we are ready for everything and we must be prepare for any misadventure.

 

[PakGuns]

How are they different?

Unless you think funds for war grows on trees or comes down in a platter from heaven

if funds are the issue then we don't need to hold AJK as well cux that's where major chunk of funds go.....

 

[batmannow]

if funds are the issue then we don't need to hold AJK as well cux that's where major chunk of funds go.....

Wrong assumption tht just kashmir is the reason why pak has to spend so much on its security?
Tht was late 90s perception when there was no afghn conflict bt later it's been proven tht afghn border also pose multiple threats way bigger then tht of India?

 

[SQ8]

Wars never fought!
Nor won by any of so called super powers on the basis of thier so called super economy?
Clear examples from history and preasent highly visible from all ends be it Vietnam, or Afghanistan or evn north Korea nowhere any so called super Power able to claim any victories so, it's jst a fake bubble from the ppls who, r over educated and thus afraid to take any challenges when it comes to thier heads?

Vietnam had a superpower supporting insurgents , so did Afghanistan in the 80’s..poor examples to try and prove your point. Also, Afghanistan is a complete hellhole out of which education is non-existent, millions are still refugees and the rest mostly live in the 13th century.. is that what you want for Pakistan?

 

[batmannow]

Vietnam had a superpower supporting insurgents , so did Afghanistan in the 80’s..poor examples to try and prove your point. Also, Afghanistan is a complete hellhole out of which education is non-existent, millions are still refugees and the rest mostly live in the 13th century.. is that what you want for Pakistan?

Yea no matter wht, the time for cowardness is over, what may come we r ready to face up, and btw there can be no support would hve come to Vietnam or Afghanistan if their ppls hadn't decided to fight back, or else if thy hve thought about other problems u tried to put in?
Refugess will emerge any way, evn if u support kashmiris freedom fighters or not?
Enough of educated corwadness it's time roll in, and get whats rightfull for kashmiris, Sikhs, and other communities in the occupation of RSS sponsored Indian state, with expertise in gorilla warfare from Afghanistan pak is good to check all aggressive actions of RSS sponsored nazi state no matter who supports who, wars only won by men, who don't Stop at less then freedom in the history Thts what about to happen in kashmir too

 

[SQ8]

Yea no matter wht, the time for cowardness is over, what may come we r ready to face up, and btw there can be no support would hve come to Vietnam or Afghanistan if their ppls hadn't decided to fight back, or else if thy hve thought about other problems u tried to put in?
Refugess will emerge any way, evn if u support kashmiris freedom fighters or not?
Enough of educated corwadness it's time roll in, and get whats rightfull for kashmiris, Sikhs, and other communities in the occupation of RSS sponsored Indian state, with expertise in gorilla warfare from Afghanistan pak is good to check all aggressive actions of RSS sponsored nazi state no matter who supports who, wars only won by men, who don't Stop at less then freedom in the history Thts what about to happen in kashmir too

Or perhaps cowardice is refusing to understanding our current predicament and tackling our own problems head on rather than finding external distractions?

I wonder if foolishly people are expecting some divine angelic help this time as well?

Comparing it to some early Islamic history under the folly that those men with outstanding leadership and character in general are comparable to our motley mix of intolerant prayer mat head rubbers, corruption riddled transactions and chauvinists(if one skips the child pornographers, drug dealers and other criminals sitting as leaders for parts of the country).:

 

[batmannow]

Or perhaps cowardice is refusing to understanding our current predicament and tackling our own problems head on rather than finding external distractions?

I wonder if foolishly people are expecting some divine angelic help this time as well?

Comparing it to some early Islamic history under the folly that those men with outstanding leadership and character in general are comparable to our motley mix of intolerant prayer mat head rubbers, corruption riddled transactions and chauvinists(if one skips the child pornographers, drug dealers and other criminals sitting as leaders for parts of the country).:

Cowrdness is standing against ur enemy which is hell bent to hit u hard?
Bringing all insane logics not to fight when, it's not in ur hand to fight or not to?
It's in ur enemy's hand, what u ill do if thy attack?
Tell them ur dam story of financial problems and ur croupt political history and u think thy ill hve sympathy on u for tht?
And thy ill Jst leave giving u a rose? Lolzzz
There is No country on earth which doesn't have its own probelms to deal with bt tht not means it ill stop defending itself from aggressive power with destructive plans?
In this world all economics, begins with how much military power u hve to defend ur self, be it Japan or Germany with all of thier high tech economy thy still r economic slaves to usa cause thier right to defend themsleves been taken in world War 2, and since then thy hve to do what's been told?
With so much economic power thy r not the ones who r deciding key decesions in this world, it's either Americans or Russians with massive millitry might which has the key role in all world affairs, if pakistan can stand against Indian agrresion on kashmiri ppls, this whole world will stand with u, if u chose Cowrdness thy ill be against u and with ur enemy, I gss u took a very wotng impression tht pak will do nothing and will Jst keep talking peace even if it's attacked no, political and strategical change has come usa divided on who thy want to support frist time in thier history, thier president wants a solution at all costs in Afghanistan while thier deep state wants to cut CEPEC?
PAK and China both knew this is a opportunity and thy ill take advantage of it, and not only kashmiris who ill get all the support bt many other issues like KHALISTAN will emerge from tht too, and let's see where india ill move with so many cuts on its body economily?
So thn cowardnes brings no economic success nor any peace it jst let ppls slaves to so called a extermist mindset and thts where all ill starts?

This situation won't go, away evn if u keep up giving ur peacfull economic sermons?

instead it ill make RSS sponsored state to take what's in ur hands, if u keeo presenting urself as the symbol of so called peace and economic growth?