Time to get Pakistan out of America's influence - China

[indushek]

Pakistan has always been friendly towards India.

If India wants friendship with Pakistan then first you Indians have to demolish the over-reactionary forces like Saffron extremists.

We have seen how you Indians had stopped Pakistani peace spreading artists and writers from even attending festivals in India.

so go first control Hindu extremists and then come up we are all open to friendship with India as a country as well as people tp people level



Agreed.





Agreed

Look there are, have been and will be peace opposing forces in both countries. The issues like recent border incidents is when they get their chance to be heard and garner support. If we keep harping on these then there will be no further steps, now i can say some opposing things to your saffron etc comments but would it bring any useful result?

Let us make efforts and this road is filled with pot holes and holes 'looking' like abyss too, and thorny. If we stop will never reach the end.

 

[Star Wars]

No it can't! Just as China requires Pakistan to keep India at bay, so does Pakistan need China for the same.


The more you open your mouth the more foolish you look. China’s declared positions on the Kashmir issue have evolved through four distinct phases. In the 1950s, Beijing upheld a more or less neutral position on the Kashmir issue. The 1960s and 1970s saw China shift its position toward public support of Pakistan’s views on the issue as Sino-Indian relations deteriorated. Since the early 1980s, however, with China and India moving toward normalization of bilateral relations, Beijing returned to a position of neutrality even as it sought to balance between the need to satisfy Pakistan’s demands for support and the growing interest in developing a better relationship with India. By the early 1990s, China’s position became unequivocal that the Kashmir issue is a bilateral matter to be solved by India and Pakistan through peaceful means. China is against a plebiscite in Kashmir, is for the status quo in Kashmir, and, generally, is for a settlement between India and Pakistan.

So don't invent fantasies that China supports Pakistan on Kashmir. It has a neutral stance.

The trouble with people like you is that you keep spewing garbage without knowing what the hell is going on even within your own country. For your information, read this: Pakistan takes $5bn IMF bail-out after allies refuse funds

Islamabad has been stung by rebuffs from its closest international partners - China, the US and Saudi Arabia - leaving it with few choices, but to approach the IMF. And there's more:
Want more? Never mind, let's move on....

Out of the promised $200 million for flood relief, China has disbursed only $43 million to date even after several years!

Before calling me an idiot, do check the number of brain cells in your coconut head. Check this out:

Now who is an idiot?

They very much do. Without Chinese/CPC approval, no Chinese company can do any business anywhere in the world!

Again, you Pakistani, first research this stuff then talk. So now tell me, who is a moronic Idiot? You or I? You just got mud on your face reading this, didn't you? Probably embarrassed too!

lol...owned

 

[Screambowl]

Dual citizenship Politicians are now Kicked!!! More than 100 Politicians who took part in 2008 elections wont be contesting elections as Supreme court disqualified them!

till you have civilian govt. this will not happen. Simple

 

[haviZsultan]

Havi Dear,

Have you ever exported even a grain of rice or a damn shirt from Pakistan?

Let me return the question. Have you? Have you run a policy center for the nationalists. Have you spent every second of your life working, thinking and doing things for Pakistan when you won't get anything in return. I have and for this nation I wish to die. It is an honor being of this nation. We have to serve it.

I have brought handicrafts and sold some in Canada. Yes. I planned more, cigs... lots more. I got sick and came back and still only Pakistan escapes my lips even though I know where the people who run my country have gone... they see people as a resource to extract systems from US.

Do you know anything about how or where things are exported?

please let me know. Thank you.

60% of grain exports were to Iran. Wheat and grain are the main things we export to said country. EU and US are main trading partners of Pakistan. Relationship with China is one of imports. We import much more than we export. I know every detail. As stated in the article I am a bookworm about Pakistan. I mentioned the 18% figure.

Asman say gira Khajoor main atka.

Out of frying pan into the fire.

What is this madness about.

If you want to develop that kind of spine that gets mighty stiff in front of USA

and the same spine lies on bed in front of China,

I doubt that is a good spine.


If you know what I mean.


Thank you

I already stated the reasons for it in the first place. China is more reliable than the US-our nuclear weapons could not have been a reality without them and they sure do help out.:

1) Nuke deal with India but refused to Pakistan
2) Davis kills 2 Pakistanis and escapes. There is no proof of Afia being a terrorist and still in jail and will be there forever.
3) Fazlullah hiding in Kunar. Faqir Mohammed's (Ex-Bajaur Chief's) bases in Afghanistan.
4) US refusal to condemn India for the Siachen incursion but raising an outcry on the Kargil one which was made by fauji's after the Siachen debacle when they took 1000 miles of our land.
5) USA's offer to sell better quality F16's to India compared to what they sold us.
6) Framing of Pakistani innocents in the name of terrorism-Seen it, researched it.
7) Maltreatment of Pakistanis in airports and hounding of Pakistani political Organizations in north America. Even secular ones. Yes-this is the only thing they are good at.
8) Support for dictators in Pakistani land. 3 major ones had their backing. Zia was the one who Islamicized Pakistan with their blessing in case you did not notice.
9) Presler Amendment. When we were not needed by USA anymore. Cold war over, Afghanistan in ruins but of course the Soviets disgraced as they wanted that is what came. Military and economic cooperation CUT and mark my words IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN-200% chance and I bet on my life when this war on terror is over this will come again. They will harass us even more than they are now.
10) The blame Pakistan suffers on a daily basis. Pakistan is held responsible for every failure. I believe you think we are responsible. Partly I agree, yes. But you do not know about the successes, Ramzi yousuf, Baradar, Khalid Sheikh (top 9/11 terrorist) were all capture by us.
11) Pakistan counting on US support and not getting any in 1971. Weak point? Leave that then. I think it is too. But consider the rest.
12) Add to this the Indian nuclear test smiling Buddha in 74 being ignored by the US while our military and economy being sanctioned.
13) Add to this the framing of Kashmiri activist Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai in a false case as an ISI agent in another attempt to malign ISI

Why China:
1) Helped us greatly with nukes-US applied sanctions
2) Common interests. Chinas war with India in 1962.
3) Chinese rise as a superpower. Piggyback on it and we can rise too but we don't see the oppotunity. As US sinks China will rise.
4) Higher than mountains and deeper than the seas-thats our relationship Hu Jin Tao said. They have helped us up when we were going through sanctions and were not getting exotic US machinery, J10's, JF17's.
5) One day China will beat the US economically and militarily. We should choose the right side.