Tillerson: Terror Group Ties Could Cost Pakistan Territorial Control

[Basel]

I read it differently. He is warning Pakistan about loosing territory to American aggression directly or with the support of recently ferried ISIS terrorists from Iraq and Syria into Afghanistan as per allegations of former Afghan President and Ally of the Americans who is no friend of Pakistan. together perhaps with BLA and TTP support.
time and again Americans have expressed no desire in Peace but continuing with this perpetual war, there is no intention of bringing this conflict to closure and no set time to leave the region. on one hand America demands Pakistan to help bringing Afghan taliban to negotiating table but on the same time targets their negotiators or leaders and stalling the negotiations time and again. it targets them through its assassins or drones sites preferably inside Pakistan and uses the incidence as a proof against Pakistan's collusion hiding the fact that Pakistan was supposed to be helping with negotiations on American requests and the people representing the adversaries are accorded safety.


that is correct. Americans are warning Pakistan of same tactics used against Iraq and Syria and as Karzai has claimed that Americans themselves have brought their new version of Al Qaeda via Helicopters into Afghanistan, so they intend to use them against Pakistan and Iran alike.


militarily its no problem for them.

it might seem impossible from the safety of your room behind the computer but we have third world military aimed mainly to defend against India.


they are not waiting. our men are being killed in Ambushes and IED blasts. Americans can repeat the Salala incident whenever they want. there is simply no contest here. Americans have full spectrum dominance over Russia and China. we are no where close so lets not be too generous when boasting and daring a super power.


Chinese are businessmen not fighters. the best they do is some kicking and stone throwing contest with Indians over their border dispute.

they wont risk their trillion dollar investments with America for Pakistan

Pakistan have to work with Iran, Turkey, China and Russia to keep ISIS or any other terror group out of region.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

How clueless his information is about the region. Perhaps Pakistan is the only country in recent times who has successfully contained insurgency within its borders a great deal. US itself has very limited opportunity to target militants via drones inside Pakistan. One can check frequency of drone strikes in Pakistan in the last 3 years with before. So this American minister is better of to focus himself on Kabul only. Islamabad can take care of herself very well.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Believe you me or not once I meet an old Mar-Khor while the US was Hawkish even more then they are right now and scenario was not much different and he the old and retired replied me they are digging their own grave.

 

[Solomon2]

What the hell is he talking about??? Currently as we speak Afghan Talibs control more than 40 percent of Afghanistan, so why does he not focus taking back the territory from Taliban control.

He's talking about the fact Pakistan's eastern and western borders aren't recognized.

The fact that Afghanistan contests the Durand Line you're probably aware of. What you're not aware of is that China doesn't recognize a dividing line between Chinese and Pakistani territory, only between "Chinese territory" and "territory under the control of the Pakistani Army". (That is, China recognizes the Pakistani Army as sovereign, not the State.) Furthermore, under UNSCR 1373 member-states who lose control of territory to terrorists are not considered to claim sovereign rights when others attack terrorists there.

So if, for example, effective Pakistani control is lost in adjacent parts of the CPEC corridor China can claim the right by treaty to occupy and exercise soverign control of said territory - it would be an issue between India and China, rather than Pakistan. And if Pakistan loses control of the Durand Line then Afghan forces could intervene under 1373 and then remain indefinitely, pointing out that Afghanistan doesn't recognize the DL as an official border, anyway.

 

[COOKie LOOkie....]

Tillerson is right we need to diminish ties with USA!

 

[alphapak]

Pakistan needs to get out of this war on terror and stop American
supply route.

 

[LeGenD]

The other option is bending over...

Its not question of capabilities but survival
Which North Koreans and Iran seem to do alot better.... and frankly it's shame full

Brother,

You do not understand. In-fact, many members here are shortsighted.

Iran has lot of oil and trade relations with much of Europe. Heck, Iran compromised on its nuclear ambitions in order to avert the possibility of war with the US in 2014. Iranian members here may boast about Iranian might (and such) but Iranian leadership is not stupid.

And are you even aware of living standards in North Korea? The parades you see on TV do not showcase the grim reality beneath. All those missile tests will achieve nothing because US isn't scared and neither it is granting North Korea any clemency.

If anything, North Korea is raising the stakes by testing missiles time and again. Trump administration is preoccupied with domestic problems but there is limit to its patience.

This forum does not projects ground realities of any state in clear manner.

Pakistan is trying to mend its ties with the US as we speak. Enmity of US would be our worst nightmare, like this or not.

 

[Mrc]

Brother,

You do not understand.

Iran has lot of oil and trade relations with much of Europe. Heck, Iran compromised on its nuclear ambitions in order to avert the possibility of war with the US in 2004. Iranian members here may boast about Iranian might (and such) but Iranian leadership is not stupid.

And are you even aware of living standards in North Korea? The parades you see on TV do not showcase the grim reality beneath. All those missile tests will achieve nothing because US isn't scared and neither it is granting North Korea any clemency.

Freedom has never had a price ... I trust that if such a matter has been brought up publically and threat given in ront of media... they have done what needs to be done ... economic sanctions mean complete defeat in Afghanistan...as no other supply line exists ...just relax and watch man at it' s finest at work


Please note threat could have been given privately in meetings as well.. which seems to be going on

I am talking about paf threat...from other thread

 

[EAK]

Current scenario-

1)Unstable government due to games by The Establishment
2)Forex Reserves will drop below 5 billion USD in 2 months
3)China withdrawing from some CPEC projects(China wants stable govt. + No terrorism).China is clearly not the gravy train the Establishment thought it was.,infact it is a real "Baniya"
4)USA putting pressure on foreign operations of Pakistani banks,hurting Pakistan financially
5)Hostile India+USA+Afghanistan and uncertain relations with Iran
6)USA hinting that Pakistan will be next target for ISIS-K
7)NATO chief recently called the Pak-Afghan border as Durand Line.("We crossed the Durand line for Drone attacks")

This is very dangerous scenario for Pakistan.Estabishment needs to undertstand that others can play games too.

And then Ryuzaki Woke up from his wet dream..
Honestly ..why is it whenever some US official speak against Pakistan,Every indian starts getting mental orgasms.. serioulsy grow up..
On topic...Tillerson aside from serving on a few think-tank boards, barely registered in the foreign-policy community and now he is running home department for trump.Relations with a Country Like Pakistan is not his kind of plate..By the way i strongly recommend his first 6 months reports on diffrnt channels for you..
Let me quote you buisness insider about him..

"Watching Tillerson’s first six months, one wonders whether Trump picked him as a way to diminish the State Department, similar to how Richard Nixon chose William Rogers for the express purpose of ensuring that the department remained weak. As Henry Kissinger Recalled of Rogers, “few secretaries of state can have been selected because of their president’s confidence in their ignorance of foreign policy.
Trump is not that clever. Nor does he know history’s lessons well enough to follow them. But future secretaries of state and their staffs will study Tillerson’s opening months to learn what not to do — and have to spend a lot of time and valuable capital to fix what he’s breaking"

 

[khanmubashir]

Tillerson: Terror Group Ties Could Cost Pakistan Territorial Control
Last Updated: December 13, 2017 4:19 PM

• Ayaz Gul

People attend the funeral of a Pakistani soldier in Lahore, Pakistan, Dec. 13, 2017.


ISLAMABAD —

The United States has warned Pakistan it could lose control of its territory unless Islamabad abandons ties with terrorist groups operating in the country that are growing in "size and influence."

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson issued the warning as Washington and Islamabad renew efforts to improve bilateral relations and find "common ground" to promote peace in neighboring Afghanistan.

"We want to work with Pakistan to stamp out terrorism within their boundaries as well, but Pakistan has to begin the process of changing its relationship with the Haqqani Network and with others," Tillerson said at a public talk in Washington on Tuesday.

A U.S.-led military coalition is helping the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) to contain a resurgent Taliban insurgency.

Insurgents and leaders of a group allied with the Haqqani Network are allegedly orchestrating attacks from sanctuaries in Pakistan, with the help of the neighboring country's spy agency.
"Pakistan has allowed so many terrorist organizations to find safe haven within its territories, and these organizations are growing in size and influence," Tillerson said.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson speaks at the 2017 Atlantic Council-Korea Foundation Forum in Washington, Dec. 12, 2017.
The secretary said he had warned Pakistani leaders that the terrorist groups might turn their attention from Kabul and decide they like Islamabad better as a target. He cautioned, "If they're not careful, Pakistan is going to lose control of their own country."

While there has been no formal response to Tillerson's remarks, a senior Pakistani government official has rejected the U.S. assertions as unfounded.

"In the last three years, our counterterrorism operations have effectively dismantled all terrorist groups on Pakistani soil while more than 200,000 of our troops are still deployed to areas bordering Afghanistan to consolidate the gains," the official told VOA, requesting anonymity.

The Pakistani government has also vowed to take action against any terrorists on its soil linked to the Afghan violence if U.S. officials share "actionable" intelligence with Islamabad.

Tillerson on Tuesday indicated Washington might start sharing such information because it is really concerned about Pakistan's stability.

"We want to work with them in a positive way. We're willing to share information with them and we want them to be successful. But we cannot continue with the status quo, where terrorist organizations are allowed to find safe haven inside of Pakistan," he said.

FILE - A handout from the US Embassy shows US Defense Secretary Jim Mattis being greeted by Pakistani military officials as he arrives in Islamabad, Pakistan, Dec. 4, 2017.
Earlier this month, U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis visited Islamabad, where he also called on Pakistani leaders to redouble efforts against terrorist groups operating out of their country. He also called for Pakistan to play its vital role in promoting a process in Afghanistan to end the conflict there.

At a public talk in Islamabad following the Mattis visit, Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif reiterated that his country had made unmatched sacrifices in the fight against terrorism and was making all possible efforts to promote peace talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban.

"Peace in Afghanistan is of extreme importance to us. We are almost on all the platforms or forums from where peace in Afghanistan is being pursued. Our participation is with total sincerity with total commitment," Asif said.

He added that continued Afghan hostilities were hampering Pakistan's efforts to improve its economy and expand its trade to central Asian states.

"I think after Afghanistan the biggest stakeholder in peace in this region or in Afghanistan, is Pakistan," the foreign minister asserted.

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-terror-group-ties-could-cost-pakistan-territorial-control/4162032.html

American can't win in Afghanistan they r just hagling with Pakistan to get better deal for conclusion while pakistan insist on it's term
But in end USA will withdraw as it did in Iraq and as there Iran took politacl hold there via Shia majority pakistan would in Afghanistan via pashtoon majority

 

[YeBeWarned]

how do we know this Statement was not dictated from Russia ? LOL this Chillar-son guy needs to answer American People first about his ties to Russia .. than talk about Pakistan

Current scenario-

1)Unstable government due to games by The Establishment
2)Forex Reserves will drop below 5 billion USD in 2 months
3)China withdrawing from some CPEC projects(China wants stable govt. + No terrorism).China is clearly not the gravy train the Establishment thought it was.,infact it is a real "Baniya"
4)USA putting pressure on foreign operations of Pakistani banks,hurting Pakistan financially
5)Hostile India+USA+Afghanistan and uncertain relations with Iran
6)USA hinting that Pakistan will be next target for ISIS-K
7)NATO chief recently called the Pak-Afghan border as Durand Line.("We crossed the Durand line for Drone attacks")

This is very dangerous scenario for Pakistan.Estabishment needs to undertstand that others can play games too.

1) Indian Brain Fart
2) Corrupt Government , can and will be put to trail
3) another Bharti Butt-hurt Story , China clearly Deny the rumors
4) Just one bank ? LOL CPEC is 50 Billion Dollar investment , that did not include ME investments
5) Hostile USA , matter of concern ... Hostile India matter of Fun .... Hostile Afghanistan LOL .... Uncertain Relations with Iran, We will manage ..
6) and USA will make sure they will Transport ISIS into Pakistan , we already know it ..
7) NATO has close to none Presence in Afghanistan , their Words means as much as Equal to Maulana Diesel .

 

[undercover JIX]

Mr. Till is jumping because he thinks that, by establishing Indian terror network, ISIS, manipulating Afganis in Afghanistan USA has Pakistan in a tight squeeze. He needs to go back to School (Even Indian School) and learn Pakistani history, we can never be controlled by force or badmashi....no matter how corrupt we get, our forefathers / Leaders Civil and especially Military have established a breed which could never be defeated. they are always working and protecting Pakistan.

To these Tillerson, Trump and Modi, we Invite " Aao na Jaldi Khushbo laga kay"

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Brother,

You do not understand. In-fact, many members here are shortsighted.

Iran has lot of oil and trade relations with much of Europe. Heck, Iran compromised on its nuclear ambitions in order to avert the possibility of war with the US in 2014. Iranian members here may boast about Iranian might (and such) but Iranian leadership is not stupid.

And are you even aware of living standards in North Korea? The parades you see on TV do not showcase the grim reality beneath. All those missile tests will achieve nothing because US isn't scared and neither it is granting North Korea any clemency.

If anything, North Korea is raising the stakes by testing missiles time and again. Trump administration is preoccupied with domestic problems but there is limit to its patience.

This forum does not projects ground realities of any state in clear manner.

Pakistan is trying to mend its ties with the US as we speak. Enmity of US would be our worst nightmare, like this or not.

you spoke my mind and said what I wanted to say but stopped because it was not getting me anywhere and my threshold of patience was exceeding
North Korean regime is fascist and brutal to its own people . it wont care less if millions of people starve Iranians (you pointed out correctly ) have oil and also are very staunch nationalists still they have cleverly made compromises for the sake of their own survival in national community despite keeping a rhetoric from their Ayatuallahs
we cant afford to test our limits as we are already facing insurgency, lack of unity and political discourse and worse economic management by successive goverments

 

[VCheng]

we cant afford to test our limits as we are already facing insurgency, lack of unity and political discourse and worse economic management by successive goverments

Therefore, I remain quite sure that both sides will be able to work out a policy that works well.

we can never be controlled by force or badmashi.

Sir, no offence, but badmashi is the only thing that works in Pakistan, truth be told, from the motorway to the Constitution.

 

[undercover JIX]

Therefore, I remain quite sure that both sides will be able to work out a policy that works well.



Sir, no offence, but badmashi is the only thing that works in Pakistan, truth be told, from the motorway to the Constitution.

You are right as a society we have become such, but hope is there and there is a time when change occurs. It might not be within general public, may be started from top. Hum tu ummed pe zinda hain.

and yes, both parties will definitely work their way out of this situation, it happened before, might happen again.

again hoping for the best without sacrificing too much.