Tillerson: Terror Group Ties Could Cost Pakistan Territorial Control

[Ahmet Pasha]

Here come Mossad and Blackwater operatives with their recruits.
They want to make Pakistan into Syria.
We need to go into Afghanistan ASAP or let our "SPOOKS" hurt nato and their proxies in India.

 

[SunilM]

Question is, how will pakistan react when drone strikes start. More 'bayaanbazi' or something more this time.

 

[monitor]

Tillerson: Terror Group Ties Could Cost Pakistan Territorial Control
Last Updated: December 13, 2017 4:19 PM

• Ayaz Gul

People attend the funeral of a Pakistani soldier in Lahore, Pakistan, Dec. 13, 2017.


ISLAMABAD —

The United States has warned Pakistan it could lose control of its territory unless Islamabad abandons ties with terrorist groups operating in the country that are growing in "size and influence."

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson issued the warning as Washington and Islamabad renew efforts to improve bilateral relations and find "common ground" to promote peace in neighboring Afghanistan.

"We want to work with Pakistan to stamp out terrorism within their boundaries as well, but Pakistan has to begin the process of changing its relationship with the Haqqani Network and with others," Tillerson said at a public talk in Washington on Tuesday.

A U.S.-led military coalition is helping the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) to contain a resurgent Taliban insurgency.

Insurgents and leaders of a group allied with the Haqqani Network are allegedly orchestrating attacks from sanctuaries in Pakistan, with the help of the neighboring country's spy agency.
"Pakistan has allowed so many terrorist organizations to find safe haven within its territories, and these organizations are growing in size and influence," Tillerson said.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson speaks at the 2017 Atlantic Council-Korea Foundation Forum in Washington, Dec. 12, 2017.
The secretary said he had warned Pakistani leaders that the terrorist groups might turn their attention from Kabul and decide they like Islamabad better as a target. He cautioned, "If they're not careful, Pakistan is going to lose control of their own country."

While there has been no formal response to Tillerson's remarks, a senior Pakistani government official has rejected the U.S. assertions as unfounded.

"In the last three years, our counterterrorism operations have effectively dismantled all terrorist groups on Pakistani soil while more than 200,000 of our troops are still deployed to areas bordering Afghanistan to consolidate the gains," the official told VOA, requesting anonymity.

The Pakistani government has also vowed to take action against any terrorists on its soil linked to the Afghan violence if U.S. officials share "actionable" intelligence with Islamabad.

Tillerson on Tuesday indicated Washington might start sharing such information because it is really concerned about Pakistan's stability.

"We want to work with them in a positive way. We're willing to share information with them and we want them to be successful. But we cannot continue with the status quo, where terrorist organizations are allowed to find safe haven inside of Pakistan," he said.

FILE - A handout from the US Embassy shows US Defense Secretary Jim Mattis being greeted by Pakistani military officials as he arrives in Islamabad, Pakistan, Dec. 4, 2017.
Earlier this month, U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis visited Islamabad, where he also called on Pakistani leaders to redouble efforts against terrorist groups operating out of their country. He also called for Pakistan to play its vital role in promoting a process in Afghanistan to end the conflict there.

At a public talk in Islamabad following the Mattis visit, Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif reiterated that his country had made unmatched sacrifices in the fight against terrorism and was making all possible efforts to promote peace talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban.

"Peace in Afghanistan is of extreme importance to us. We are almost on all the platforms or forums from where peace in Afghanistan is being pursued. Our participation is with total sincerity with total commitment," Asif said.

He added that continued Afghan hostilities were hampering Pakistan's efforts to improve its economy and expand its trade to central Asian states.

"I think after Afghanistan the biggest stakeholder in peace in this region or in Afghanistan, is Pakistan," the foreign minister asserted.

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-terror-group-ties-could-cost-pakistan-territorial-control/4162032.html

He is comparing Afghanistan with Pakistan which is not logical because for last couple of decade Afghanistan crippled with civil war that gave. Terrorist make it their heaven. In Pakistan a fully functional govt. Ruining the country backed by strong military.

 

[Ocean]

This guy is running the state department as if it is a business corporation, he has proved to be completely weak and inept.

This guy just shows he is just a lunatic twin of trump.
Django bhai many people here did not actually read news content and responded only to the headline, from the headline it seems taht usa is threatening to attakc pakistan(which seems like a hidden warning definitely present there) but this is the statement this tillerson made

"The secretary said he had warned Pakistani leaders that the terrorist groups might turn their attention from Kabul and decide they like Islamabad better as a target. He cautioned, "If they're not careful, Pakistan is going to lose control of their own country"

In essence, he is suggesting that those alleged grouos that he believe are sitting in pakistan; which he mentioned as haqqani network and afghan talibans (who are actually fighting in afghanistan) might feel that islamabad is a better target so they will atttack pakistan sitting on our soil and will capture our territory .
I mean seriously how can someone be so freaking ***** that he makes such immature statement.

This is such a media war thing,t hat paint before the world that pakistan hosts terror grouos and is so weak itself that if ose groups want to take over pakistan they can easily attack our region. These grouos donot even have the resource to launch a war on us and they are fighting with so much dedication in afghanistan only cause afghanistan is haqqanis and afghan talibs homeland.

Also thats clearly point towards usa frustartion in failing to destabilize pakistan and that they are looking for any small excuses to launch soem war against us, also that they are secretly importing isis into afghanistan to start a new proxy offensive against us.

@Areesh

MOD EDIT: Inappropriate Language/Personal Attack

 

[undercover JIX]

This is the time China should send some SUs and air defence systems for long term live exercises. Afghanistan is going to become real hell for USA. Pakistan has been quiet and nice too long fighting someone else's fight, its time to fight for our own country.

 

[SMC]

The war on terror in Pakistan has been going one way for 3+ years and he's saying that it's going another way. What is it, dementia, cognitive dissonance, etc? The reduction in terrorist attacks in 3 years, the territory lost by terrorists in that time, etc. Is he completely and utterly void of the knowledge of ground reality?

Which safe havens exist in Pakistan? Some people keep saying that but they can't point where these safe havens allegedly exist. The safe havens are gone, they don't exist anymore.

Either he has dementia or he is preparing to blame Pakistan for the eventual failure in Afghanistan. Only reason he'd lie about this.

 

[Max]

Lets see if the Pakistani Government responds to this. Clearly, the pressure is being piled on.

No worries, no one will give fk for a years bcoz of upcoming elections, this will go unnoticed too,

As for pressure, just today your Trump bhagwan approved $700 million for Pakistan so much for pressure ..

They are playing Good cop bad cop with Pakistan. their official on visit praise Pakistan, while other keep barking from Washington, Pakistani official can understand this..

He is the dove apprently. The Hawks will do much more than talking. Also, the americans instilled 'drone' on the the comman mans psycology like no one else. This Advertisement says it all :

drone can be shot down easily, they were flying drone from Pakistani bases with Pakistan approval until 2012 and even after that, they cant do shit against likes of Iran and north korea on their own let alone Pakistan.

 

[SMC]

Wajid Shamsul Hasan - The writer is former High Commissioner of Pakistan to UK and a veteran journalist

said this on 13/12/2017

"While the terrorists who come into Pakistan from Afghanistan or our own home-grown terrorists enjoying freedom and funding to operate from their epicentre in Punjab or who for a long time been our strategic assets — have been carrying on their business as usual striking at will, wherever and whenever they want to."

https://dailytimes.com.pk/158172/let-not-late/

Read the article. Its written by a former Pakistani High commissioner, so from the horses mouth. Can you blame tillerson after this?

a) which terrorist group has safe haven in Punjab? Ensure you understand what safe haven means before answering.
b) Tillerson is obviously referring to Haqqani network and Afghan Taliban, not the terrorist groups like LeJ that do indeed exist in Punjab (but do not have a safe haven there). I again ask, where in Pakistan do Haqqani network and Afghanistan groups exist and have a safe haven?

Exactly, and thats why they think Pakistan is their personal Jaagir. They can do what they want and when they want. You are taking their money after all. Call it a sense of entitlement, if you will. On the other hand Iran showed them their place, but then they don't take money from em.

You guys love to contradict yourself. On one hand you say US thinks Pakistan is their personal jaagir. On the other hand you say Pakistan supports Haqqanis and Afghan Taliban against the US and provides them safe haven. Do you not see the contradiction?

 

[SunilM]

a) which terrorist group has safe haven in Punjab? Ensure you understand what safe haven means before answering.
b) Tillerson is obviously referring to Haqqani network and Afghan Taliban, not the terrorist groups like LeJ that do indeed exist in Punjab (but do not have a safe haven there). I again ask, where in Pakistan do Haqqani network and Afghanistan groups exist and have a safe haven?

The point being? Your own High Commisioner says what the americans are saying. They agree that you have home grown terrorists. You should ask these question to your ex high commissioner though. Or maybe have another inquiry ala Dawn leaks ?

no, they are not deluded as your low IQ kind since they don't watch your bollywood filth, they are not sanghi bhangis who think they can buy Pakistan for a billion dollars a year. they know they can only do what Pakistan approved and rest is red line for them..

Ah.Personal Insults. Ok the Americans take permission of the Pakistani Govt to target people within Pakistani Borders. That just sounds so much better. Makes it worth it.

 

[SMC]

The point being? Your own High Commisioner says what the americans are saying. They agree that you have home grown terrorists. You should ask these question to your ex high commissioner though. Or maybe have another inquiry ala Dawn leaks ?

My point being:

a) Where are the safe havens? That's what we're talking about yes?
b) An ex high commissioner is one person's opinion and does not speak for a country. Go look at what Shashi Tahroor or other past bharati politicians have said against BJP and the rest. You are trying to imply that a past politician saying something about their own country means it must be true. That is as fallacious an argument as it gets.

Ah.Personal Insults. Ok the Americans take permission of the Pakistani Govt to target people within Pakistani Borders. That just sounds so much better. Makes it worth it.

I'll repeat my post since you ignored this:

You guys love to contradict yourself. On one hand you say US thinks Pakistan is their personal jaagir. On the other hand you say Pakistan supports Haqqanis and Afghan Taliban against the US and provides them safe haven. Do you not see the contradiction?

 

[SunilM]

My point being:

a) Where are the safe havens? That's what we're talking about yes?
b) An ex high commissioner is one person's opinion and does not speak for a country. Go look at what Shashi Tahroor or other past bharati politicians have said against BJP and the rest. You are trying to imply that a past politician saying something about their own country means it must be true. That is as fallacious an argument as it gets.



I'll repeat my post since you ignored this:

You guys love to contradict yourself. On one hand you say US thinks Pakistan is their personal jaagir. On the other hand you say Pakistan supports Haqqanis and Afghan Taliban against the US and provides them safe haven. Do you not see the contradiction?

Sigh! Its a lost cause. I retreat.

 

[SMC]

no, they are not deluded as your low IQ kind since they don't watch your bollywood filth, they are not sanghi bhangis who think they can buy Pakistan for a billion dollars a year and can do whatever they want. even Yankee themselves are not as enthusiastic as your lowly kind is for them. they know they can only do what Pakistan approved and rest is red line for them..

On the other hand Pakistan keep working against US interests and still fetching money successfully. they can continue whining.

I blame cognitive dissonance. As per bharatis, Pakistan is America's jaagir, but Pakistan is working against US interests and is supporting Taliban/Haqqanis and providing them safe haven. I definitely don't see any problem in that statement.

Sigh! Its a lost cause. I retreat.

Ok then. Come back when you have better arguments, otherwise don't waste your time and other people's time.

 

[Max]

Ah.Personal Insults. Ok the Americans take permission of the Pakistani Govt to target people within Pakistani Borders. That just sounds so much better. Makes it worth it.

sanghi bhangi, its well established fact that it come with approval of Pakistani govt. drone operated from Pakistani soil good or bad is other thing, only low IQ bharti's think that US was allowed to operate bcoz of a billion dollars/year they paid to us. as if 200 million Pakistani cant generate an extra billion with little more effort...

 

[Kakaspai]

Back to threatening.I think in coming days more attacks will happen in fata region as us is itself supporting the terrorist in Pakistan.

 

[SunilM]

sanghi bhangi, its well established fact that it come with approval of Pakistani govt. drone operated from Pakistani soil good or bad is other thing, only low IQ bharti's think that US was allowed to operate bcoz of a billion dollars they pay to us. as if 200 million Pakistani cant generate an extra billion with little more effort...

Ofcourse. Thats why sukuk\eurobonds exsist. Lot of effort involved too!