Tigris Shield Peace Operation Updates & Discussions

[kartal1]

Yes. Infact it was PUK who served as a mediatory beween YPG and Iranian militias/Assad regime in Syria. Proces s started before AFrin operation, no coincidence that iranian supported militias from Nubl and Zehra along with iranian suplied weapons ended up in Afrin. Remnants of Afrin YPG who fled Afrin, guess where they found refuge in and around hills and areas close to Nubl and Zahra.

Who came them to help in Shingal after first Turkish comments about posible opp in the area, again iranian suppoerwd iraqi militias.

And just this week so called Rojava delegation visited Damascus second time. Which coresponded with reports of arrival of over 1000 YPG fighters in Aleppo for Idlib operation. I mean, these guys have really no principles, they would ally with anyone.... they claim they are antiimperialists and socialist but had no calms taking US help, I mean... They call FSA jihadist, and ilamic extre mist but dont have any calms figghting with shia jihadist.. No honor, no priniples, nothing worth respect.

While I support such behavior in order to survive I believe that in your heart must be your commanders and country and you do it because you know that you will get out of the situation stronger with potential to harm the other side more. Their situation is nothing like this and it seems that their masters are supporting them in their ultimate goal. They use every opportunity and work with everyone. To bad you don't understand Turkish. I could send you a video of one of the interrogations of Ocalan by Gendarmerie Colonel Hasan Atilla UGUR. Even then he tried to sell himself to Turkey. He also said that he was the one that was controlling the current leaders of PKK to not do stupid things and he was asking the Turkish state to release him so he can work for Turkey and destroy that part of PKK while cultivating the cult to his personality more so don't be shocked. Those people doesn't have any principles or compassion.

 

[kartal1]

@rajvoSa Bro look at that! I told you that I heard a cry far away on that day HAHAHAHA I can only imagine the cry and the mourning that will come after Karayilan or Bayik's turn come. They are so pathetic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1030433670149140480

 

[rajvoSa]

While I support such behavior in order to survive I believe that in your heart must be your commanders and country and you do it because you know that you will get out of the situation stronger with potential to harm the other side more. Their situation is nothing like this and it seems that their masters are supporting them in their ultimate goal. They use every opportunity and work with everyone. To bad you don't understand Turkish. I could send you a video of one of the interrogations of Ocalan by Gendarmerie Colonel Hasan Atilla UGUR. Even then he tried to sell himself to Turkey. He also said that he was the one that was controlling the current leaders of PKK to not do stupid things and he was asking the Turkish state to release him so he can work for Turkey and destroy that part of PKK while cultivating the cult to his personality more so don't be shocked. Those people doesn't have any principles or compassion.

Pragmatism is ok. But it has its limits. Let compare it with Syrian rebels, FSA. US offered them the same deal, money, protection, if they just abandon their goals and principles and stop fightin Assad, join YPG, focus only on ISIS. Fight whome US says you fight. Overvelming majority refused it flat to sell out like that. And they knew what is waiting fot them, if they refuse.

I can believe that even with out seeing the video. Reportedly Ocalan was againts 2014 PKK campaign in the eastb Turkey too ( abondoning the peace process)

As for Turkish, well.. I have it on my to do list. Even bghout dicitioneries and some other books on grammar. But you gays spoiled me a bit, when ever Im in Turkey on holiday, I only have to say SarayBosna to shoppers, ordinary fiolks... and I get what ever I need, be it direction, better price, free drink... Its a bit a strange feling, being in a foreign country, not knowing the lenguage but at the same time feel like at home.


as for Iraqi ministry, well that ministry is under iraqi shia milita thuimb. So, nothing unexcpeted

 

[Saddam Hussein]

@rajvoSa Bro look at that! I told you that I heard a cry far away on that day HAHAHAHA I can only imagine the cry and the mourning that will come after Karayilan or Bayik's turn come. They are so pathetic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1030433670149140480

No one in Iraq cares about the bombing of the PKK member. However the Bashiqa base serves no anti-PKK purpose it was Erdogan's attempt to be part of the Mosul operation through the Nujaifi headed unit. That outpost is illegal and serves no purpose, it's all to stroke Erdogan's 'we are powerful with bases everywhere' ego.

Kurds tend to become dogs for others. Iran's Kurds received Iraq's support in the 80's whilst the Kurds of Iraq received Iran's support. This is why Baghdad has to take over the KRG, take control of its lands.

One of many examples of how Erdogan lies occassionally is this.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-turkey-idUSKCN12C0KF

Turkey’s presence in the Bashiqa camp will remain until Mosul is rid of Daesh,” Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus told the state-run Anadolu Agency on Wednesday.

IS has been removed from Mosul long ago. Erdo doesn't keep his word and lies his way through things. He hopes to take these lands that are inhabited by 90%+ Arabs and you wonder why the region is turning against Turkey.

 

[OguzSenturk]

IS has been removed from Mosul long ago. Erdo doesn't keep his word and lies his way through things.

Not to defend our clown, but come on, it was obvious that IS was just an excuse, just like any other player in region. I don't know what kind of interet he sees in Bashiqa, but it's so interesting to see that you took priorities in that way. I mean;

> Bashika base occupies maximum 0.5km2
> PKK occupies 10.000km2
> Barzani occupies (and tried to cut the land away from Iraq) 40.000km2

Interesting priorities you have there In Turkish, there is a saying "like you took every bird but a stork"

 

[rajvoSa]

Funny for this guy to mention Mosul. If you know what I mean, Turks do I think.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Not to defend our clown, but come on, it was obvious that IS was just an excuse, just like any other player in region. I don't know what kind of interet he sees in Bashiqa, but it's so interesting to see that you took priorities in that way. I mean;

> Bashika base occupies maximum 0.5km2
> PKK occupies 10.000km2
> Barzani occupies (and tried to cut the land away from Iraq) 40.000km2

Interesting priorities you have there In Turkish, there is a saying "like you took every bird but a stork"

Once again and to repeat, I do not give a shit about the Bashiqa base either. It doesn't make a difference and we have other priorities and problems such as KRG, corruption, IS and a population that barely does any productive work other than take public sector jobs which are paid for by oil.

The point is he makes a statement and doesn't keep by it as he has done many times.

Funny for this guy to mention Mosul. If you know what I mean, Turks do I think.

Yes very funny!

 

[kartal1]

No one in Iraq cares about the bombing of the PKK member. However the Bashiqa base serves no anti-PKK purpose it was Erdogan's attempt to be part of the Mosul operation through the Nujaifi headed unit. That outpost is illegal and serves no purpose, it's all to stroke Erdogan's 'we are powerful with bases everywhere' ego.

Kurds tend to become dogs for others. Iran's Kurds received Iraq's support in the 80's whilst the Kurds of Iraq received Iran's support. This is why Baghdad has to take over the KRG, take control of its lands.

One of many examples of how Erdogan lies occassionally is this.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-turkey-idUSKCN12C0KF

Turkey’s presence in the Bashiqa camp will remain until Mosul is rid of Daesh,” Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus told the state-run Anadolu Agency on Wednesday.

IS has been removed from Mosul long ago. Erdo doesn't keep his word and lies his way through things. He hopes to take these lands that are inhabited by 90%+ Arabs and you wonder why the region is turning against Turkey.

The region is turning against Turkey? You mean the same region that is not able to control its lands and supports terrorist organizations on Turkish soil for at least 30 years? Fvck the region!

 

[Saddam Hussein]

The region is turning against Turkey? You mean the same region that is not able to control its lands and supports terrorist organizations on Turkish soil for at least 30 years? Fvck the region!

The 'region' didn't support PKK. First of all, define 'support'. Because when it serves your interest you will throw the support tag even on inactivity against a group you are hostile with. Going by that I could say that Turkey supported ISIS for its years long of inactivity, blind eye policy, non-confrontation policy, border sharing and passing by their checkpoints in Syria unharmed. All of that does not qualify as support.

Yes fu* the region and now half of northern Syria is US protected PKK because of Erdo's failed foreign policy, he thinks he can fix that without Assad. Previously he wanted to expand his fu*up to Iraq. He calculated on short-term beneficial policies which in the long-term cause great harm.

 

[kartal1]

The 'region' didn't support PKK. First of all, define 'support'. Because when it serves your interest you will throw the support tag even on inactivity against a group you are hostile with. Going by that I could say that Turkey supported ISIS for its years long of inactivity, blind eye policy, non-confrontation policy, border sharing and passing by their checkpoints in Syria unharmed. All of that does not qualify as support.

Yes fu* the region and now half of northern Syria is US protected PKK because of Erdo's failed foreign policy, he thinks he can fix that without Assad. Previously he wanted to expand his fu*up to Iraq. He calculated on short-term beneficial policies which in the long-term cause great harm.

Yeah right. The region didn't support PKK Non confrontation? Iraq was paying PKK terrorists every month! Iraq didn't even tried to do something against PKK. Not a single bullet, not a single bomb but cried like a w**e because we are were doing something about it. I am not going to talk about Assad. Yeah fvck the region, fvck Erdogan's policies. At least countries like yours understood how a real "inactivity, blind eye policy, non-confrontation policy" is being done. That is not qualified as support u know Now go mourn Shingali somewhere else like you did when we spread his body on the independent, sovereign and precious Iraqi soil which is controlled by all kinds of terrorists but not by Iraq itself. You don't have any word in these matters. I am waiting your cries when we enter Kandil because I know that "you don't care".

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Yeah right. The region didn't support PKK Non confrontation? Iraq was paying PKK terrorists every month! Iraq didn't even tried to do something against PKK. Not a single bullet, not a single bomb but cried like a w**e because we are were doing something about it. I am not going to talk about Assad. Yeah fvck the region, fvck Erdogan's policies. At least countries like yours understood how a real "inactivity, blind eye policy, non-confrontation policy" is being done. That is not qualified as support u know Now go mourn Shingali somewhere else like you did when we spread his body on the independent, sovereign and precious Iraqi soil which is controlled by all kinds of terrorists but not by Iraq itself. You don't have any word in these matters. I am waiting your cries when we enter Kandil because I know that "you don't care".

It's Sinjari not Shingali, that's the Kurdish name.

Your information is outdated.

YBS no longer operates under Baghdad. Baghdad funded the group to counter the KDP as this group disobeyed the KDP. That has all changed:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1030783357414649861

Now, the Yazidi have two armed forces: Lalish (backed by Shi'a militia) and the Ezidkhan Command (backed by PKK). The Ezidkhan has 2 divisions: the YBS (men/women) and the YJE (Ezidkhan Women's unit). This YBS Yazidi fought in Raqqa, etc along with YPG/YPJ (PKK offshoot).

Now, the Yazidi have two armed forces: Lalish (backed by Shi'a militia) and the Ezidkhan Command (backed by PKK). The Ezidkhan has 2 divisions: the YBS (men/women) and the YJE (Ezidkhan Women's unit). This YBS Yazidi fought in Raqqa, etc along with YPG/YPJ (PKK offshoot).

http://1001iraqithoughts.com/2017/08/22/yazidi-pmu-fighters-face-uncertainty-in-the-krg/

After the liberation of the district’s north in late 2014, Sinjar was effectively divided into two spheres of influence; the KDP and the Sinjar Resistance Units (YBS), a creation of the PKK which has received occasional support from the Popular Mobilization Units (PMU). A kind of uneasy peace held between the two forces (with some exceptions) as each party sought to gain the support of those Yazidi residents who remained in Sinjar.

The advent of the Iraqi Government’s Mosul Offensive and subsequent campaign to liberate southern Sinjar introduced a third and potentially more potent competitor for the district’s hearts and minds; the Yazidi Lalish Battalion of the PMU. The existing factions that predated the Lalish’s arrival in the south had cause for concern about this new development. The ruling KDP maintained its dominance in the north through a combination of patronage, intimidation, and sheer force. The YBS on the other hand, while having earned the good will of locals for its defense of Sinjar, succeeded in angering many Yazidis by forcibly conscripting and indoctrinating children into an ideology alien to Sinjar’s conservative mores.

An all-Yazidi PMU, sponsored and fully funded by Baghdad and not beholden to rival Kurdish parties, offered a third waybetween the aggressive competition of the KDP and YBS. The thirst for such an alternative was demonstrated almost immediately after the PMU’s assault on the last IS-controlled villages of Sinjar in May. Hundreds of Yazidis, previously serving in either the Peshmerga or YBS, defected and flocked to the banner of the PMU.

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You actually think a condemnation statement by the foreign ministry means they are crying lol. no one in Baghdad cares about this. If you knew politics better you'd recognize routine condemnation statements are part of deafening internal opportunities for opposition parties to use it against the ruling government.

Iraq plays a political game of neutrality without causing hostilities. Hence you saw Baghdad accept US sanctions on Iran whilst condemning them, then say trade will only be halted with the dollar. Likewise you hear Abadi state that no force may attack others from Iraqi soil, which refers to the PKK as he stated this after the meeting in Turkey.

 

[kartal1]

It's Sinjari not Shingali, that's the Kurdish name.

Your information is outdated.

YBS no longer operates under Baghdad. Baghdad funded the group to counter the KDP as this group disobeyed the KDP. That has all changed:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1030783357414649861

Now, the Yazidi have two armed forces: Lalish (backed by Shi'a militia) and the Ezidkhan Command (backed by PKK). The Ezidkhan has 2 divisions: the YBS (men/women) and the YJE (Ezidkhan Women's unit). This YBS Yazidi fought in Raqqa, etc along with YPG/YPJ (PKK offshoot).

Now, the Yazidi have two armed forces: Lalish (backed by Shi'a militia) and the Ezidkhan Command (backed by PKK). The Ezidkhan has 2 divisions: the YBS (men/women) and the YJE (Ezidkhan Women's unit). This YBS Yazidi fought in Raqqa, etc along with YPG/YPJ (PKK offshoot).

http://1001iraqithoughts.com/2017/08/22/yazidi-pmu-fighters-face-uncertainty-in-the-krg/

After the liberation of the district’s north in late 2014, Sinjar was effectively divided into two spheres of influence; the KDP and the Sinjar Resistance Units (YBS), a creation of the PKK which has received occasional support from the Popular Mobilization Units (PMU). A kind of uneasy peace held between the two forces (with some exceptions) as each party sought to gain the support of those Yazidi residents who remained in Sinjar.

The advent of the Iraqi Government’s Mosul Offensive and subsequent campaign to liberate southern Sinjar introduced a third and potentially more potent competitor for the district’s hearts and minds; the Yazidi Lalish Battalion of the PMU. The existing factions that predated the Lalish’s arrival in the south had cause for concern about this new development. The ruling KDP maintained its dominance in the north through a combination of patronage, intimidation, and sheer force. The YBS on the other hand, while having earned the good will of locals for its defense of Sinjar, succeeded in angering many Yazidis by forcibly conscripting and indoctrinating children into an ideology alien to Sinjar’s conservative mores.

An all-Yazidi PMU, sponsored and fully funded by Baghdad and not beholden to rival Kurdish parties, offered a third waybetween the aggressive competition of the KDP and YBS. The thirst for such an alternative was demonstrated almost immediately after the PMU’s assault on the last IS-controlled villages of Sinjar in May. Hundreds of Yazidis, previously serving in either the Peshmerga or YBS, defected and flocked to the banner of the PMU.

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You actually think a condemnation statement by the foreign ministry means they are crying lol. no one in Baghdad cares about this. If you knew politics better you'd recognize routine condemnation statements are part of deafening internal opportunities for opposition parties to use it against the ruling government.

Iraq plays a political game of neutrality without causing hostilities. Hence you saw Baghdad accept US sanctions on Iran whilst condemning them, then say trade will only be halted with the dollar. Likewise you hear Abadi state that no force may attack others from Iraqi soil, which refers to the PKK as he stated this after the meeting in Turkey.

On that logic DEASH doesn't have free pass from or to Turkey anymore so we will not bring this matter anymore? While talking about cries I said about your personal one that I didn't like at all (the one that was deleted). Iraq's position is clear like a white sheet.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

On that logic DEASH doesn't have free pass from or to Turkey anymore so we will not bring this matter anymore? While talking about cries I said about your personal one that I didn't like at all (the one that was deleted). Iraq's position is clear like a white sheet.

Yes it doesn't anymore, it used to years ago but not anymore.

I don't remember deleted posts. That's what Baghdad does now, doesn't actively fund, defend the PKK/YBS/YPG neither does it stand against the force, it's only statements. Only in Syria, Iraq strikes IS aiding the YPG/SDF though that is far south.

There's no white sheet in politics and you don't know seem to know Iraq's political situation of balancing, power sharing between parties that lean to other alliances resulting in this neutrality policy in the region. Statements are two ways. Anyway, you want to have your 'fvk everyone we're going to burn Iraq' angry talk here on the forum then enjoy as if it makes a difference.

 

[kartal1]

Yes it doesn't anymore, it used to years ago but not anymore.

I don't remember deleted posts. That's what Baghdad does now, doesn't actively fund, defend the PKK/YBS/YPG neither does it stand against the force, it's only statements. Only in Syria, Iraq strikes IS aiding the YPG/SDF though that is far south.

There's no white sheet in politics and you don't know seem to know Iraq's political situation of balancing, power sharing between parties that lean to other alliances resulting in this neutrality policy in the region. Statements are two ways. Anyway, you want to have your 'fvk everyone we're going to burn Iraq' angry talk here on the forum then enjoy as if it makes a difference.

It is not an angry talk it is a fact. Love it or not we are dealing with them accordingly with the support of Barzani (Which doesn't have the courage to oppose it) and without caring what is the Iraqi politicians opinion regarding the issue. If my talk about burning Iraqi soil like the mountains Kandil or Sinjar is offending you I am sorry but this had to be done long ago and we as Turks are not going to tolerate opposition towards those moves because Turkey as a state gave both the time and opportunity to all parties like Barzani and the Central Government to deal with the problem and nothing happens so opposition against those moves is opposition against the fight of the Turkish state against PKK terrorism which is concerning and makes me think that the ones opposing it are supporting the PKK's moves against Turkey which including also killing of babies. If you want to continue a meaningful discussion I would "forget" about the deleted post in the ME section but under one condition. I want to see full support against PKK and zero opposition against the operations we conduct in order to secure our borders from terrorists from your side. If you agree good if not then you will be dealt accordingly like a supporter of terrorism and will not be taken seriously anymore.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

It is not an angry talk it is a fact. Love it or not we are dealing with them accordingly with the support of Barzani (Which doesn't have the courage to oppose it) and without caring what is the Iraqi politicians opinion regarding the issue. If my talk about burning Iraqi soil like the mountains Kandil or Sinjar is offending you I am sorry but this had to be done long ago and we as Turks are not going to tolerate opposition towards those moves because Turkey as a state gave both the time and opportunity to all parties like Barzani and the Central Government to deal with the problem and nothing happens so opposition against those moves is opposition against the fight of the Turkish state against PKK terrorism which is concerning and makes me think that the ones opposing it are supporting the PKK's moves against Turkey which including also killing of babies. If you want to continue a meaningful discussion I would "forget" about the deleted post in the ME section but under one condition. I want to see full support against PKK and zero opposition against the operations we conduct in order to secure our borders from terrorists from your side. If you agree good if not then you will be dealt accordingly like a supporter of terrorism and will not be taken seriously anymore.

The problem is not Turkey bombing PKK, it's Erdogan and his expansionist dreams. It's the attempts of using MB ideology to spread in the region, these attempts were made in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq etc which can be covered in detail. Libya is often overlooked. He will make use of anti PKK operations to also implement his expansionist dreams.

Do you think that non-Turks are dreaming of being ruled by nationalist Turks for that to happen? Let's look at northern Syria ruled by some Turkish enclave group, there are more Turkish flags than any flags that are supposed to represent the 'new Syria', they do the hand sign for the MHP bozkurt or whatever it is. Let's look at Somala, Somalian soldiers are singing Turkish nationalist songs. This may be good for you but it trashes their national fabric. If you are so keen on having Syria, Iraq etc. then give those 60+ million people Turkish passports, if not treat them as foreign states. You've got a leader that dresses up soldiers with Ottoman customes to feed his ego.

Erdogan like Assad, Saddam are more concerned with their own personal image than anything else. Blowing smoke up their a**ses all day, one calls himself the successor of Nebuchadnezzar, the other thinks he's Mehmet from the Ottoman era. All of them living in the past. There is no leader of the Muslim or Arab world and there won't be, we're not in that era anymore.

PKK? It's not relevant. They're just being used as an excuse, the biggest PKK problem is inside Turkish borders and their expansion into Syria and Iraq came as a result of American initiated/organized wars which Turkey contributed to. No one in Iraq will care if you bomb the PKK, infact most of us will be happy to see them leave Sinjar as we don't want Kurdish armed groups there. Erdogan is more concerned with the Ottoman legacy than economic and industrial growth, (yes I am aware that Turkey grew under his watch) but recently he's made some bad moves. The US support for the YPG is clearly due to the hostility with Turkey, it's not like this hostility didn't exist 3-4 years ago it has been brewing for years. Qatar is not able to stand against the UAE and Saudi Arabia. Egypt is not a little country to dictate and Iraq is slowly coming out of its crisis and grows in strength over the years, for Erdogan to try and trash them verbally he's not going to get far. Yet what does he do?