Tibetans shot dead for failing to observe Chinese New Year

[below_freezing]

For anyone that thinks Foxconn is typical of Chinese companies, its not.

Foxconn even attacks other companies, is engaged in bribery, and has been characterized by other Chinese companies as "ruthless".

The man who makes your iPhone - Business - US business - Bloomberg Businessweek - msnbc.com

When it comes to competitors, Gou fiercely guards his turf. He sued the Chinese battery maker BYD in a Hong Kong court in 2007, alleging that BYD, of which Berkshire Hathaway-controlled MidAmerican Energy holds 28 percent of BYD's Hong Kong shares, poached 50 of its employees to set up a rival cell-phone assembly operation and stole trade secrets. Foxconn then launched a similar claim in Illinois. BYD countersued Foxconn in Hong Kong for defamation and alleged that it had bribed Chinese officials and had intimidated a former Foxconn employee into giving false evidence to police.

Stella Li, CEO of BYD Electronic International and one of the three executives named in the Illinois suit, which, like the other suits, is pending, says Foxconn is determined to crush the competition. "They will do anything they can to stop us from becoming a leading player," says Li.

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From the same article:

"The Longhua workers interviewed by Bloomberg Businessweek objected to various aspects of how they are treated but not in terms starkly different from the complaints many people have about their jobs. More than two dozen Foxconn employees were interviewed; none showed signs of being afraid to speak freely to a reporter. Those interviewed on the job did so without a supervisor present. Other discussions took place in Internet cafés, staff dormitories, and in the company canteen. Most seem keenly aware of their choices. They work at Foxconn because they want to make money as quickly as possible. Some want cash to buy the things they make. Others want to become entrepreneurs. None of the workers was upset about having to work overtime. To the contrary, the availability of overtime hours was a big attraction. "

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Another inaccuracy in the 35 hour shift lie:

"Li Caihe, a 19-year-old from Gansu province, works a 12-hour shift attaching nine parts to the motherboard of a Nokia N90 handset. "It takes so much concentration, it was very stressful at first," she says. "I know I can go to a counselor, but I don't think it will help. I'm pretty adaptable, and I can cope. When I speak to my parents, I try to sound happy. I don't speak about my stress." Li shares a dorm room with seven other girls and plans to stay on for another year. After that she hopes to open a small business back home, a beauty salon perhaps. "

Before lying, maybe these guys should check the same articles they wrote a year ago.

 

[fly2012]

I am sorry but working 35 hours for strait is not even done to animals and they work for 31cent/hour. In these work sites, which I would rather call slave camps, they are discourage to make friends and even from knowing their roommates names, there are nets hanging around the bulding to catch the ''JUMPERS''.

Below_freezing gave the calculation, 0.31 cent hour, 17 hours a day, 31 days a month, that's a little < $200 a month, yet in the following LA times article:

Tibetan exiles in Dharamsala, India, settle in with disillusionment, quoting "Free" Tibetans:

"China has jobs; you can start a business without a lot of bureaucracy. You don't get Delhi belly [dysentery] all the time," said Golma, who makes $60 a month as a Dharamsala shopkeeper, compared with $300 to $400 a month in Lhasa.

If you make a political ruckus in China you're likely to get in trouble, added Golma, who was dressed in a traditional Tibetan chupa robe, knockoff Crocs and worn green socks. "But there's also freedom in enjoying your life."

Last time I checked, Tibet was the poorest province in China and Shenzhen the richest (not counting Hongkong/Macau). One wonders why people don't try to be shopkeepers in Tibet instead of eating dirt in Shenzhen.

 

[below_freezing]

Below_freezing gave the calculation, 0.31 cent hour, 17 hours a day, 31 days a month, that's a little < $200 a month, yet in the following LA times article:

Tibetan exiles in Dharamsala, India, settle in with disillusionment, quoting "Free" Tibetans:



Last time I checked, Tibet was the poorest province in China and Shenzhen the richest (not counting Hongkong/Macau). One wonders why people don't try to be shopkeepers in Tibet instead of eating dirt in Shenzhen.

Shenzhen is richest per capita, but it has wealth distribution worse than Africa. Shanghai is much more equitable. Still, if conditions were that bad (17 hours per day, 31 cents per hour, no breaks) then why not be a waiter or garbageman? A garbageman in China sorting trash works 5 days a week, 8 hours per day, at 500 dollars per month. If it came down to manual labor, if the factory was that bad, I'll just be a garbageman.

And I know for a fact that waiters make at least 2400 RMB per month, without tips, with free food and housing. A friend from high school that didn't go to college is a waitress at a fast food place and makes that much in Beijing.

The Metal Sorters of Shanghai - James Fallows - Technology - The Atlantic

"to prevent fatigue most zorba sorters work eight-hour days, five-day weeks, and enjoy income far in excess of recent Chinese university grads (U.S. $500/month is the new floor for this highly-sought semi-skilled labor force). As China's living standards improve, and its demand for aluminum goes up (in part, to be used in automobiles that are increasingly being junked in China), that income will soar until, or if, somebody figures out a cheaper, more precise way to sort the parts of a junked automobile."

 

[Deno]

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Nationalist don't set out to shot journalist like Nationalist Turks do Turkey is also jailing journalist left and right you might have even gone beyond our level, yet they still post things on how the government can improve also the Chinese nationalist don't seem to kill them.

No one is trying to chance the subject we have problems however we improving them you cannot fix things in one day, Ethic discrimination exists in all countries also I'm using your logic as well People in China also cry Discrimination just like you stated the kurds do. ethnic discrimination in turkey has gone beyond anything thats why Kurds are fighting for Kurdistan what is 30,000 dead from your discrimination ? Counter argument is stated if were discussing ethic discrimination then we might as well discuss all countries.

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The little kids seems to be you were discussing ethnic discrimination and I have stated it on my post, we should discuss all we have problems, yet were better then Turkey . The pathetic one is you

I dontknow how to reach out to you but I am pretty sure that I could explain to you that this discussion is abou CHINA not TURKEY. If you want to discuss why Turkey jails her journalist et me tell you. They are members of organisation called ''ERGENEKON'' which praticly f@cked Turkey up pretty big by two coups, one forced goverment resign, one coup attempt, one army general assassination, Sivas massacre, assassination of one police chief constable and a mayor, assassination of countless journalist and intellectuels, 10.000 unsolved murders, have relationship with PKK and even Ocalan -creator of PKK- said they were getting orders from ergenekon until ERGENOKON betreyed them, after they betrayed PKK they created Hezbullah-different from Lebanon's- to use their own purposes which killed and tortured countless people, They are the Turkey arm of CIA, Operation Gladio and Counter-Guerrilla. So yes they should be jailed. I am pretty sure that you will have no questions about the journalist jailings after this much of explanation. Even a school kid would understand that this ''journalists'' were using their positions as journalist to gain information and try to start a chaotic environment in country. Even after this much explanation if you still have some questions or try to use this as an argument please atleast read some information about it.

And no China don't have a little problem, she has a major problem. Goverrment praticly present their citizens as low payed slaves to try to bring production to your country. China is not some African country that is governed by war lords, she isone of the oldest civilazations in this world and there isn't an outrage for these people who choose suicide rather than live in these conditions. Their basic right of unions and civil organisations are taken away. They are threated like robots rather than human beings.

There is not a single discrimination against Kurdish people since 2009 and I am proud of the fact that I was on most of the protests these discrimiations and I also feel ashamed that we had to wait 28 years to lift these laws. These laws were created after coup from military junta/Ergenekon. after the coup people were tortured and people from different ethnicities were tortured when torturing them they were accused of separatism because of their ethnicity. I know this because my father to were arrested for being amemberof comunist party and tortured and when torturing him -from what he said- officer continuously asked him about ifhe was trying to start a riot with other Georgians. Diyarbak&#305;r prison were the birth place of PKK and their first support from local community. So again, We are suffering from these Ergenokon bastards doings...

Now support for PKK droped to a point that they are not even supported by Kurdish people in Turkey. BDP is polical arm of PKK and itgets around 1 million vote,half of them does't support PKK. So from more than 8.5 million Kurd, only 500.000 of them support PKK. So we are about to overcome our terror problem. I wonder if China would ever let a party like BDP survive? China would have arrest and execute everyone of these people. What we do is called democracy and to be bluntly honest We are more than several decades ahead of China in human rights and freedom.

So no. We don't have a discrimition problem anymore and we don't jail our journalist because they disagree with ruling party. And if you asked the most psycho nationalist in Turkey about Kurds when he/she is not angry at PKK they would say as longas They don't support PKK they consider them their brothers and sisters. We still have problems with individuals who think themselves as national heros for killing people. U.S has those idiots, Norway has them, U.K has them, France has them, Spain has them, Italy has them, Netherland has them... You see these countries are shown as shining examples of human rights expect U.S. So we are not much different in individuals who think themselves as heros of mankind for killing people.

For overall we are better then China in these issues you talkedabout expect accepting Armenian Genocide. Which are numbers are wrong. There were around 600.000 Armenian lived in 1910, how can Ottomans killed 1.5 million people unless they cloned them... First of the massaceres started by Armenians when Russian army invaded Northeast of Anatolia.

From Russian officers: According to the reports of the Commander-in-Chief, confirmed by officers who were actually present at the scene of the crime, the Armenians slew more than 800 Turks in Erzindjan, and so avenged one of their miserable accomplices who had been killed by a Turk in justified self-defense. Furthermore, the Armenians massacred the unhappy Mohammedan population of Ilidja, in the neighborhood of Erzerum, without sparing the women and children.

Again from the same officer: On February 7th the following incident came to my notice: I ascertained that the Militia and the Armenian soldiers of the town were carrying off some hundreds of Mohammedans to an unknown destination. When I inquired into the reasons for this, I received the answer that these men were being recruited to clear the railway of snow. I expressed myself satisfied with this explanation.

I... finally discovered in the bathroom seventy Mohammedans, victims of the most ghastly horrors.

Kurds were massacering Armenians to loot their goods and again from the same officer: February 17th in Trebizond..

...The Ottoman Government had declared that the Kurds were subject to no orders and would act on their own initiative...

From other Russian officer: From fear of Armenian revenge, the court martial did not dare to sentence one single Armenian, in spite of the fact that it had been set up chiefly at Armenian request. The Turks, moreover, had prophesied that a court martial of Armenians would not condemn a single one of their compatriots. We could now see the truth of the proverb that the wolves do not prey on one another. All fit Armenians immediately escaped with their wives on the pretext of being obliged to protect them.

Two Russian intellectuals wrote this for Armenians massaceres of Turks:

The Russian author Petronius says of the Armenians: "The Armenians are certainly human, but at home they go on all fours."

The Russian poet Lermontoff sings their praises in the following words: "You are a slave, you are a coward, for you are an Armenian."

This is the link you can have a greater understanding of ''Armenian Genocide'' (RUSSIAN DIARY) Tall Armenian Tale: The Other Side of the Falsified Genocide whichI don't agree with falsified part. There was a genocide and it was done by the both parts. Only difference between tw, one was the winner other was the loser but I sometimes question who was the winner and who was the loser in long run...

Saying that Turks killed Armenians for no good reason is idiotic. Genocide was started by Armenians and ended by Turks. This is acrime against Humanity and this was done by both sides not by one monster towerds a innocent victim. When you are going to accuse Turkey for not accepting genocide think again and accuse Armenia for nor accepting their own part of this crime. I ahve enough hounor and dignity to accept and live with my forfathers faults but do they have the same hounor and dignity to accept theirs...

I am pretty sure that you are not going to read the whole post but if read it please be atleast reasonable when discussing China'spolicy. This topic is about China not Turkey. By discussing it people find better ways. Maybe some with happen a Chinese who read this.

For conclusion, In human rights, freedom of speech/self determination and fighting against discrimination we are more than several decades a head of China.

 

[Deno]

Below_freezing gave the calculation, 0.31 cent hour, 17 hours a day, 31 days a month, that's a little < $200 a month, yet in the following LA times article:

Tibetan exiles in Dharamsala, India, settle in with disillusionment, quoting "Free" Tibetans:



Last time I checked, Tibet was the poorest province in China and Shenzhen the richest (not counting Hongkong/Macau). One wonders why people don't try to be shopkeepers in Tibet instead of eating dirt in Shenzhen.

Why are you turning this into a India vs China thing. This thread is about China's problems not Indias. If you want to talk about Inda's problems why don't you open a thread about it. Everyone knows that Indian people live in worst conditions than most o the African Countries. Are youprod of the fact that China beat ''that''.

Rather that accepting your goverments wrong policy, you are trying to bash India. Bashing India wouldn't do China a good but discussing her short comings will bring prosperity. Think about that for a minute...

 

[below_freezing]

Why are you turning this into a India vs China thing. This thread is about China's problems not Indias. If you want to talk about Inda's problems why don't you open a thread about it. Everyone knows that Indian people live in worst conditions than most o the African Countries. Are youprod of the fact that China beat ''that''.

Rather that accepting your goverments wrong policy, you are trying to bash India. Bashing India wouldn't do China a good but discussing her short comings will bring prosperity. Think about that for a minute...

god, talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

some factories in China pay lowly. they will lose their workers to jobs like sorting trash and being a waiter that pay better. companies that prevent employees from leaving get closed down and their bosses arrested, as your own article said. Shenzhen is a major city where the government can see everything, not a tiny village in the middle of nowhere.

if a company only paid 31 cents per hour and employees had to work 17 hours a day, people will just quit and leave because those wages are 1/4 the national average and make less than a waiter or garbageman. not only do they make less than a waiter or garbageman (or even staying on the farm and getting welfare), that wage is illegal, the hours are illegal, and indeed, unphysical.

not only that, those figures have been contradicted by another AMERICAN source.

you have made an inaccurate statement or quoted an inaccurate source and i expect you to accept your error.

 

[Sasquatch]

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I dontknow how to reach out to you but I am pretty sure that I could explain to you that this discussion is abou CHINA not TURKEY. If you want to discuss why Turkey jails her journalist et me tell you. They are members of organisation called ''ERGENEKON'' which praticly f@cked Turkey up pretty big by two coups, one forced goverment resign, one coup attempt, one army general assassination, Sivas massacre, assassination of one police chief constable and a mayor, assassination of countless journalist and intellectuels, 10.000 unsolved murders, have relationship with PKK and even Ocalan -creator of PKK- said they were getting orders from ergenekon until ERGENOKON betreyed them, after they betrayed PKK they created Hezbullah-different from Lebanon's- to use their own purposes which killed and tortured countless people, They are the Turkey arm of CIA, Operation Gladio and Counter-Guerrilla. So yes they should be jailed. I am pretty sure that you will have no questions about the journalist jailings after this much of explanation. Even a school kid would understand that this ''journalists'' were using their positions as journalist to gain information and try to start a chaotic environment in country. Even after this much explanation if you still have some questions or try to use this as an argument please atleast read some information about it.

And no China don't have a little problem, she has a major problem. Goverrment praticly present their citizens as low payed slaves to try to bring production to your country. China is not some African country that is governed by war lords, she isone of the oldest civilazations in this world and there isn't an outrage for these people who choose suicide rather than live in these conditions. Their basic right of unions and civil organisations are taken away. They are threated like robots rather than human beings.

There is not a single discrimination against Kurdish people since 2009 and I am proud of the fact that I was on most of the protests these discrimiations and I also feel ashamed that we had to wait 28 years to lift these laws. These laws were created after coup from military junta/Ergenekon. after the coup people were tortured and people from different ethnicities were tortured when torturing them they were accused of separatism because of their ethnicity. I know this because my father to were arrested for being amemberof comunist party and tortured and when torturing him -from what he said- officer continuously asked him about ifhe was trying to start a riot with other Georgians. Diyarbak&#305;r prison were the birth place of PKK and their first support from local community. So again, We are suffering from these Ergenokon bastards doings...

Now support for PKK droped to a point that they are not even supported by Kurdish people in Turkey. BDP is polical arm of PKK and itgets around 1 million vote,half of them does't support PKK. So from more than 8.5 million Kurd, only 500.000 of them support PKK. So we are about to overcome our terror problem. I wonder if China would ever let a party like BDP survive? China would have arrest and execute everyone of these people. What we do is called democracy and to be bluntly honest We are more than several decades ahead of China in human rights and freedom.

So no. We don't have a discrimition problem anymore and we don't jail our journalist because they disagree with ruling party. And if you asked the most psycho nationalist in Turkey about Kurds when he/she is not angry at PKK they would say as longas They don't support PKK they consider them their brothers and sisters. We still have problems with individuals who think themselves as national heros for killing people. U.S has those idiots, Norway has them, U.K has them, France has them, Spain has them, Italy has them, Netherland has them... You see these countries are shown as shining examples of human rights expect U.S. So we are not much different in individuals who think themselves as heros of mankind for killing people.

For overall we are better then China in these issues you talkedabout expect accepting Armenian Genocide. Which are numbers are wrong. There were around 600.000 Armenian lived in 1910, how can Ottomans killed 1.5 million people unless they cloned them... First of the massaceres started by Armenians when Russian army invaded Northeast of Anatolia.

From Russian officers: According to the reports of the Commander-in-Chief, confirmed by officers who were actually present at the scene of the crime, the Armenians slew more than 800 Turks in Erzindjan, and so avenged one of their miserable accomplices who had been killed by a Turk in justified self-defense. Furthermore, the Armenians massacred the unhappy Mohammedan population of Ilidja, in the neighborhood of Erzerum, without sparing the women and children.

Again from the same officer: On February 7th the following incident came to my notice: I ascertained that the Militia and the Armenian soldiers of the town were carrying off some hundreds of Mohammedans to an unknown destination. When I inquired into the reasons for this, I received the answer that these men were being recruited to clear the railway of snow. I expressed myself satisfied with this explanation.

I... finally discovered in the bathroom seventy Mohammedans, victims of the most ghastly horrors.

Kurds were massacering Armenians to loot their goods and again from the same officer: February 17th in Trebizond..

...The Ottoman Government had declared that the Kurds were subject to no orders and would act on their own initiative...

From other Russian officer: From fear of Armenian revenge, the court martial did not dare to sentence one single Armenian, in spite of the fact that it had been set up chiefly at Armenian request. The Turks, moreover, had prophesied that a court martial of Armenians would not condemn a single one of their compatriots. We could now see the truth of the proverb that the wolves do not prey on one another. All fit Armenians immediately escaped with their wives on the pretext of being obliged to protect them.

Two Russian intellectuals wrote this for Armenians massaceres of Turks:

The Russian author Petronius says of the Armenians: "The Armenians are certainly human, but at home they go on all fours."

The Russian poet Lermontoff sings their praises in the following words: "You are a slave, you are a coward, for you are an Armenian."

This is the link you can have a greater understanding of ''Armenian Genocide'' (RUSSIAN DIARY) Tall Armenian Tale: The Other Side of the Falsified Genocide whichI don't agree with falsified part. There was a genocide and it was done by the both parts. Only difference between tw, one was the winner other was the loser but I sometimes question who was the winner and who was the loser in long run...

Saying that Turks killed Armenians for no good reason is idiotic. Genocide was started by Armenians and ended by Turks. This is acrime against Humanity and this was done by both sides not by one monster towerds a innocent victim. When you are going to accuse Turkey for not accepting genocide think again and accuse Armenia for nor accepting their own part of this crime. I ahve enough hounor and dignity to accept and live with my forfathers faults but do they have the same hounor and dignity to accept theirs...

I am pretty sure that you are not going to read the whole post but if read it please be atleast reasonable when discussing China'spolicy. This topic is about China not Turkey. By discussing it people find better ways. Maybe some with happen a Chinese who read this.

For conclusion, In human rights, freedom of speech/self determination and fighting against discrimination we are more than several decades a head of China.

First of all no one forced the people to work but themselves they cannot be called slaves don't know where you get the Idea another is not everyone works in factories we also have many people in highly paid jobs and occupations don't know where you get idea from of threatened like Robots my friend works in one and he was never threaten like robot you claim or a slave he gets paid a pretty decent amount. now your trying to compare us to african countries wrong again now you bring up oldest civilization yes we are and we will remain.

You started comparing Turkey to china thats where we replied back turkey is a democracy we are not we don't claim to be one we have different goals and ideas from what you may want or think. PKK has plenty of support, started from your polices towards it, in a democracy you work with all parties including the BDP. Armenian Genocide is factual if it is as fake as you claim we see many European countries recognizing including many states of the USA in the end whether turkey likes it or not it will recognized. you brought turkey in so we responded. of course your ahead however your losing the ball on it. China ultimate goal is democracy however it can not be accomplished overnight. for the most part majority of us are good on the way were heading.

 

[fly2012]

Why are you turning this into a India vs China thing. This thread is about China's problems not Indias. If you want to talk about Inda's problems why don't you open a thread about it. Everyone knows that Indian people live in worst conditions than most o the African Countries. Are youprod of the fact that China beat ''that''.

Rather that accepting your goverments wrong policy, you are trying to bash India. Bashing India wouldn't do China a good but discussing her short comings will bring prosperity. Think about that for a minute...

Come on, I quote this to tell that your 0.31 cent per hour in Shenzhen claim is absurd. This is not India-China comparison, could you just admit for one time that some of your "Truth and fact" are bogus? Check my posting history and tell me if you can find a single post from me bashing India? China has a lot of problems, as I mentioned already in my replies, including those in minority regions. I though you guys understand this better since Turkey is facing similar challenges. If I lecture you that Kurdish still get oppressed everyday now and the killing of 15 villagers demonstrated it, will you accept my criticism as trying to bring prosperity in Turkey? If you want to comment on China issues, please learn it first instead of keeping throwing out bogus "facts". That's the reason most Chinese members never comment on Turkish issues because reading news don't make us experts on Turkey. Please also read my earlier replies and "Think about that for a minute".

 

[xizhimen]

I am not Turkey, I am first a human and than citizen of Turkish Republic. I am not the one who killed Armenians nor I am the responsible for what my forfathers did...

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you are a uyghur,right?-

 

[Deno]

you are a uyghur,right?-

If you don't know the difference between Goverment and citizens, I don't thing replyngto you will be fruitful...

Come on, I quote this to tell that your 0.31 cent per hour in Shenzhen claim is absurd. This is not India-China comparison, could you just admit for one time that some of your "Truth and fact" are bogus? Check my posting history and tell me if you can find a single post from me bashing India? China has a lot of problems, as I mentioned already in my replies, including those in minority regions. I though you guys understand this better since Turkey is facing similar challenges. If I lecture you that Kurdish still get oppressed everyday now and the killing of 15 villagers demonstrated it, will you accept my criticism as trying to bring prosperity in Turkey? If you want to comment on China issues, please learn it first instead of keeping throwing out bogus "facts". That's the reason most Chinese members never comment on Turkish issues because reading news don't make us experts on Turkey. Please also read my earlier replies and "Think about that for a minute".

Of cource I would but I can easily say that most of the Turks would just curse you I have three Jewish friend here in Cyprus, even after flotilla inident I still am friends with them. They still think that Turkish goverment should fore the activist to cancel their journey and I still think that Turkish goverment did the right thing by letting them have their social rights.- I am pretty sure that goverment was not that interested in social rights- I was at the protest against Hrant Dinks murder, I attended protests for Kurdish peoples rights... Criticism open minds to new ideas.

First of all no one forced the people to work but themselves they cannot be called slaves don't know where you get the Idea another is not everyone works in factories we also have many people in highly paid jobs and occupations don't know where you get idea from of threatened like Robots my friend works in one and he was never threaten like robot you claim or a slave he gets paid a pretty decent amount. now your trying to compare us to african countries wrong again now you bring up oldest civilization yes we are and we will remain.

You started comparing Turkey to china thats where we replied back turkey is a democracy we are not we don't claim to be one we have different goals and ideas from what you may want or think. PKK has plenty of support, started from your polices towards it, in a democracy you work with all parties including the BDP. Armenian Genocide is factual if it is as fake as you claim we see many European countries recognizing including many states of the USA in the end whether turkey likes it or not it will recognized. you brought turkey in so we responded. of course your ahead however your losing the ball on it. China ultimate goal is democracy however it can not be accomplished overnight. for the most part majority of us are good on the way were heading.

I wasn't compering China with India. I was commenting that people are compering India, a country which has worst living conditions than even Africa. It is ridiculus. It is like than compering Norway with Turkey...

I didn't say Armenian Genocide was fake. God, did you read my post... I said that numbers don't macth with the Armenians that were living in Ottoman Empire. In 1910 cencus there was around 600.000 Armenians in Ottoman Empire. I said that it was not just the Ottomans killing innocent Armenians, things were done by both sides. Please search Tashnag, Armenakan, Hinchak.

I didn't compere Turkey with China, I said we opressed Kurdish people and look where it got us... When I was saying ''Turkey's gpd per capita was around 3.500$ we didn't have work camps like these.'' I meant Turkey could manege to increase her GPD per capita by nearly 3 times and goverment didn't use any work ethics like these. I am pretty sure that with population like China and with her natural resources China's economy could grow on much greater rate and I am shocked that why won't Chinese people organize huge protest against these kind of policies. I really have no idea. Difference of culture I guess.

god, talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

some factories in China pay lowly. they will lose their workers to jobs like sorting trash and being a waiter that pay better. companies that prevent employees from leaving get closed down and their bosses arrested, as your own article said. Shenzhen is a major city where the government can see everything, not a tiny village in the middle of nowhere.

if a company only paid 31 cents per hour and employees had to work 17 hours a day, people will just quit and leave because those wages are 1/4 the national average and make less than a waiter or garbageman. not only do they make less than a waiter or garbageman (or even staying on the farm and getting welfare), that wage is illegal, the hours are illegal, and indeed, unphysical.

not only that, those figures have been contradicted by another AMERICAN source.

you have made an inaccurate statement or quoted an inaccurate source and i expect you to accept your error.

A look inside the Foxconn suicide factory - Telegraph

1 Million Workers. 90 Million iPhones. 17 Suicides. Who’s to Blame? | Magazine

And the source about the 31cent and 35 hours of work was Msnbc if it was some unreliable source I wouldn't even put here. 20 Chinese universities to compile a report on Foxconn, which they decried as a labour camp. My resoures was these...

If they are wrong and I gave faulse information I have nothing against to apoligise for it... Msnbc said their source was indipendent and I assumed this was a worker who didn't want to be filmed which propably is.

Don't mistake me as someone who wants to bash China, I have no problem with singing prises to China's economical succeses as long as I critisize their wrong doings-from my point of view-

 

[xizhimen]

you dont understand China,come and have a look,the overriding majority of the Chinese people strongly support this government which leads the nation 3 decades of fastest economic growth in the world,greatly improved people's living standard.now China just pose to overtake US and becomes the biggest economy in the world,to reclaim China's thousands of years old glory.if you know what happened to China in the last 200 years and what we had been through,you can easily undertand why this government enjoys such high popularity in China.

 

[xizhimen]

Are You Satisfied? The World's Most Optimistic Countries

Satisfied with the direction your country is headed? The Chinese sure are. The rising nation tops the list of optimistic countries with a glass much more full than those of trailing countries. Eighty-six percent of the Chinese are content with China's direction, compared to 61 percent in second place Australia, according to the Pew Research Center. Eighty-two percent of the Chinese are also happy with their economy.

Economic growth and national excitement surrounding the Beijing Olympics seems to be boosting China's civic mood &#8212; in 2002, only 48 percent of the Chinese responded positively. But the people still have their concerns, most notably, worries about inflation, rising prices, and environmental degradation burden the Chinese.

To see how other countries compare to China, and who makes the list of the top-10 most optimistic countries read more.

Who is happy with the direction their country is headed?

1. China &#8212; 86 percent content
2. Australia &#8212; 61 percent content
3. Russia &#8212; 54 percent content
4. Spain &#8212; 50 percent content
5. Jordan &#8212; 49 percent content
6. Poland &#8212; 42 percent content
7. India &#8212; 41 percent content
8. Egypt &#8212; 40 percent content
9. South Africa &#8212; 36 percent content
10. Germany &#8212; 34 percent content

And some other favorites:

* France &#8212; 29 percent content
* United States &#8212; 23 percent content
* Lebanon &#8212; 6 percent content

With China and Russia on top and the US and France decidedly not &#8212; do any of the placements surprise you?

 

[SinoChallenger]

Turkey did not got aid from U.S in civil areas, they got aid by arms deals and etcin military areas and I never deny that Turky got aid until 1989. You said Turkey was a poor country despite getting aid from U.S and I explain to you that Turkey was poor because of the U.S.

I am sorry but working 35 hours for strait is not even done to animals and they work for 31cent/hour. In these work sites, which I would rather call slave camps, they are discourage to make friends and even from knowing their roommates names, there are nets hanging around the bulding to catch the ''JUMPERS''.

They can't create a union to organize strikes against these camponies that sucks the life out of them. I am sure you know that punishment of creating a union is 12 years in prison. I dont you but in my book thats just one step better than slavery.

And you are trying to make this into a Turkey/China thing, while I am trying to show you the injustice thats been done by your goverment to your own citizens. If you support this policy that makes you are imperialist that lets people in power to suck the life out of his/her own fellow citizens.

BTW: that poor coutries you mentioned: Turkey and South America, their citizens nearly two times more richer than Chinese people... just to inform you...

LOL....... you Turkish people committed genocide on Armenians, Kurds and Greeks. You people are the worse massacre makers in the world. All your neighbors talk about the bloodthirsty Turks. Nobody has a good word to say about you. When will you stop occupying Constantinopol?

Turkey's GDP / capita is only $10,000 US. China's GDP / capita is already $6000+ in 2011 and we are growing much faster (9%). In 5 years, we'll surpass you in GDP / capita. Compared to China, Turkey is just a dump. And you wonder why EU doesn't want you. Now or ever.

Turkey is full of gangsters and local street violence. On paper countries like Turkey and Brazil are slightly wealthier than China but in fact the standard of living is much better in China because we have superior law and order. Until recently Turkey was just an autocratic military dictatorship.

Don't you worry your little heart about Chinese people living in China. Our guns and weapons are more for countries like Turkey! And our people are ready to pounce on sad, backward states like yours and tear it apart just like on PDF!

Also France is going to vote on the Armenian Genocide Europe moving closer and closer to, turkey is downgrading ties with European countries that are recognizing it left and right childish really, with the right sitution who knows even we might agree to recognize the Armenian Genocide

China can arm the PKK with nuclear backpacks!

 

[xizhimen]

why china hasn't done anything to anyone yet despite having numbers of troubles and disputes with many countries? Simply because it will be ****Ed from all sides then.

do we have more troubles and disputes than India does??I dont think sol

 

[Punjabbi Munda]

do we have more troubles and disputes than India does??I dont think sol

Perhaps get a reality check how many friends India has and how many china has.