"Tibetans" in India, still the same or just Indians now?

[janon]

culture is one thing, what about jobs, modern culture, and other things that shape a person.

The yare not confied that that space with no TV, are they. They talk they do business with Indians.


And even if we were to take that as true, does that mean they are still feudalism in nature?

An article that addresses some of these points -
Tibetans in India - A New Generation in Exile | Cultural Survival

 

[Contrarian]

What protest though?

The Dalai Lama himself already said he accepted Tibet as a part of China.

So now they are campaigning for "more autonomy". But that doesn't explain why these Tibetan-descendants in India haven't been given Indian citizenship?

They can take Indian citizenship if they want. Those that do not take it, do it deliberately. GoI has not stopped them from taking Indian citizenship.

Why is this "Tibetan Government in Exile" (mind the name) keeping this state of non-citizenship, if not to undermine our political authority over TAR?

Yes. It is to undermine Chinese political authority over Tibet.
But it acts in two ways - one - it becomes a bargaining chip for these Tibetans to argue for more autonomy for Tibet under Chinese rule.

Two it acts as a bargaining chip for GoI to ensure that China does not go overboard in demanding Arunachal Pradesh from India. It acts as a lever that can be used to put pressure on CPC.

What protest though?

Cherokee is right as well I suppose. Though the ones I spoke to said it was out of protest, but it can just as easily be the huge donations they generate throughout India and abroad. Easy money.

Or maybe a combination of both these factors.

 

[Kesang]

What protest though?

The Dalai Lama himself already said he accepted Tibet as a part of China.

So now they are campaigning for "more autonomy". But that doesn't explain why these Tibetan-descendants in India haven't been given Indian citizenship? Why is this "Tibetan Government in Exile" (mind the name) keeping this state of non-citizenship, if not to undermine our political authority over TAR?

Tibetans in exile can apply for Indian citizenship

 

[Genesis]

That they might not get the free country they wanted is understandable. India also agree's that Tibet as a country is not an option.

But calling them 'pretend Tibetans' is going too far.


I repeat my statement.
How would refugee's become feudal lords?

Tibetan of the old doesn't exist any more, just like Han of old doesn't. New Tibetan culture and new Han culture exist. So they are pretend Tibetans because they are not what today's Tibetans are like, and I said Indian, because they are in fact more Indian than even old Tibetan.


As to the second thing, I'm just referring to your post that Tibetans have kept their culture, their culture is feudalism, so how can they have kept their culture. So they are more Indian now as everyone, I seeing including you agree.

 

[janon]

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As to the second thing, I'm just referring to your post that Tibetans have kept their culture, their culture is feudalism, so how can they have kept their culture. So they are more Indian now as everyone, I seeing including you agree.

Feudalism is a societal organization, not a cultural aspect. There is a lot more to culture than simply how society is organized. That's like saying that Chinese culture is communism.

 

[Contrarian]

Tibetan of the old doesn't exist any more, just like Han of old doesn't. New Tibetan culture and new Han culture exist. So they are pretend Tibetans because they are not what today's Tibetans are like, and I said Indian, because they are in fact more Indian than even old Tibetan.

As to the second thing, I'm just referring to your post that Tibetans have kept their culture, their culture is feudalism, so how can they have kept their culture. So they are more Indian now as everyone, I seeing including you agree.

Tibetans in Tibet have modernized, just as Tibetans in India have modernized and moved with the times.

Even Indians had feudal system about 70 years, but as with education and times, we also changed.
Does not mean the Tibetans in India or ethnic Tibetans become 'pretend Tibetans'.

Or maybe is this a case of communication gap between you and me? It came across as offensive and implied stripping the ethnic Tibetans of their heritage. Maybe language issues?

In any case, yes, they have changed and kept with the times. Their younger generation now is intermixing with the rest, their older generation was pretty up tight on maintaining their ethnic culture.

I would say in another 20-30 years(next generation) the ethnic Tibetans in India would really cease to have any particularly strong interest in Tibet.

 

[chhota bheem]

Feudalism is a societal organization, not a cultural aspect. There is a lot more to culture than simply how society is organized. That's like saying that Chinese culture is communism.

Exactly,what i wanted to say.

 

[my2cents]

They were born in India, they were raised in India, they have nothing to do with us.

The Dalai Lama has already accepted that Tibet is a part of China, they have nothing to struggle for anymore.

So why isn't the Indian Government giving them citizenship? It's a big political game that started in 1959, and they don't want to give up their political chips.

I can ask you the same question why China does not accept his proposal for an autonomous region under Chinese control. If Tibetan people want it I don't see what is the hindrance? I think they just want their way of life and their rich culture to be preserved. They are not the militant kind of people who will create problems to mainland China.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I can ask you the same question why China does not accept his proposal for an autonomous region under Chinese control. If Tibetan people want it I don't see what is the hindrance? I think they just want their way of life and their rich culture to be preserved. They are not the militant kind of people who will create problems to mainland China.

Well firstly we have given them some degree of autonomy (hence the name Tibet Autonomous Region)... and as "ethnic minorities" they already get far more rights than the majority Han Chinese by law.

Secondly, I do not mind the proposal of granting "more" autonomy.

But the thing is, you can't grant more autonomy to a region that is currently unstable, otherwise that would simply be rewarding bad behavior. In the future I am sure we can make more compromises, provided that stability in the region is improved and maintained.

 

[Genesis]

I can ask you the same question why China does not accept his proposal for an autonomous region under Chinese control. If Tibetan people want it I don't see what is the hindrance? I think they just want their way of life and their rich culture to be preserved. They are not the militant kind of people who will create problems to mainland China.

Their rich culture is what got them defeated at the hands of the British in the first place. Accept it or not, Asian culture is great pre-industrial revolution, since then, a new culture is born, not British, French or anything, but a mix of Modern with classic. Like a Suit in the forbidden city, or classic Indian dress in a car.

The Tibetans being a member of China must assimilate as we have to the new culture that also includes, BUT not dominated by old.

America is American first and whatever else second, China is the same way, Chinese first, your own culture second. America doesn't allow a second language and neither do we. It's counter productive for them, and not really anything for us.


Tibetans being people can be just as destructive as any other people, the Tibetan Generals in the PLA can certainly command his unit as well as any of his peers.

 

[vivINDIAN]

they live in karnataka too...
see this Bylakuppe - A Photologue about a mini Tibet in Karnataka - Team-BHP
its just 60kms from my place..i have been there..most of them speak fluent kannada...
they love hollywood movies....they come here to watch new releases and you can see them at malls shopping or having fun in their maroon dress

 

[my2cents]

Well firstly we have given them some degree of autonomy (hence the name Tibet Autonomous Region)... and as "ethnic minorities" they already get far more rights than the majority Han Chinese by law.

Secondly, I do not mind the proposal of granting "more" autonomy.

But the thing is, you can't grant more autonomy to a region that is currently unstable, otherwise that would simply be rewarding bad behavior. In the future I am sure we can make more compromises, provided that stability in the region is improved and maintained.

It was your atrocities that drove them out of their homeland in 1959. They have endured enough hardships and suffering but still have kept their non violent resistance because they are trying to change hearts not to create hatred. I still do not understand why mainland Chinese have so much hatred towards Buddhists monks and their way of life. Is it because you don't believe in religious dogmas? And if somebody believes them then they are condemned for life??

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I still do not understand why mainland Chinese have so much hatred towards Buddhists monks and their way of life.

Incorrect.

My own parents are Chinese Buddhists, how can you say Chinese have hatred towards Buddhist monks and their way of life?

Do you know China has the largest population of Buddhists out of any country in the world? Haven't you heard of Shaolin?

 

[my2cents]

Their rich culture is what got them defeated at the hands of the British in the first place. Accept it or not, Asian culture is great pre-industrial revolution, since then, a new culture is born, not British, French or anything, but a mix of Modern with classic. Like a Suit in the forbidden city, or classic Indian dress in a car.

The Tibetans being a member of China must assimilate as we have to the new culture that also includes, BUT not dominated by old.

America is American first and whatever else second, China is the same way, Chinese first, your own culture second. America doesn't allow a second language and neither do we. It's counter productive for them, and not really anything for us.


Tibetans being people can be just as destructive as any other people, the Tibetan Generals in the PLA can certainly command his unit as well as any of his peers.

You have to understand one size doesn't fit all. LOL!

Incorrect.

My own parents are Chinese Buddhists, how can you say Chinese have hatred towards Buddhist monks and their way of life?

Do you know China has the largest population of Buddhists out of any country in the world? Haven't you heard of Shaolin?

So, please explain the exodus of more then 150,000 people still living in exile in India and Nepal.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So, please explain the exodus of more then 150,000 people still living in exile in India and Nepal.

1959 Tibetan uprising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Tibetan Government in Exile started a violent armed uprising against China, and they lost.

After that, they were sheltered by India in 1959. Which was one of the main underlying causes of the 1962 Sino-Indian War.