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Three killed by bomb at Danish mission in Pakistan

Read the post# 34, Here is the top heading.



What I said carried some valid weight behind it.[/QUOTE]

Do you understand the meaning of likely? And also when i say lets not jump on to conclusions.



Don't just let loose a cat out of bag & try to walk away. I said in my last post & I repeat it 'share your insight or provide a link'. Wild ideas fly in the absence of an unsatisfactory answer. But here you have Pakistani officials naming Pakistani Taliban as to have carried out the task with a justifiable explanation. If you see some "outside hand" than give a proper justification & discuss it. Otherwise, nobody gives a flying f@rt for some outside hand washing your hind.

No i didnt say i see out side hand, dont twist my post, said we cannot neglect one and as mentioned today in news AQ is behind it. There you go. So much for pakistani tailban being involved.:disagree:

Al Qaeda claims attack on Danish embassy: Web site

Updated at: 0640 PST, Thursday, June 05, 2008
DUBAI: Al Qaeda has said said it was behind a suicide attack on Denmark's embassy in Pakistan which it mounted in revenge for the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.

At least six people were killed and about 20 were wounded when a car bomb blew up outside the embassy in the Pakistani capital Islamabad on Monday.

An Internet statement, signed by al Qaeda's leader in Afghanistan, Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, said Denmark was targeted as it had not apologized for the publication of the cartoons.

The attack was a "revenge against the infidel government ... of Denmark which published degrading drawings of the prophet ... and refused to apologize but continued ... and was followed by leading Crusader states, organizations and figures," it said.

The attack was in line with a pledge of revenge by al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, the group said in the statement, posted on Islamist web sites.

Its authenticity could not be independently verified

The statement said a recorded message from the al Qaeda suicide bomber who carried out the attack would be issued.

The cartoon, reprinted by Danish newspapers earlier this year, depicts Mohammad wearing a bomb in his turban.

It was one of 12 drawings of the Prophet that sparked riots in the Muslim world in 2006 after originally being printed in a Danish newspaper in 2005.



If you do not have any problem with it then why are you so bothered that you had to give a piece of your mind & then look for an escape route when cornered? This isn't just another terrorism act. Something like this can potentially damage relationship between two nations. At the end of the year review you would most definately find a mention of this event. I posted this article since I didnot find any. But out of everything you had to pick up a non-issue simply out of your frustration. Nobody raised any objection when threads are opened on Gujjar agitation, Jaipur blasts or tourist molestations in India. These are news events & this is a discussion forum. It is obvious that these events would be discussed either in good or bad light doesn't matter.

Not bothered rather amuzed as i said before nothing else to do. Also i am not looking for an escape route, why would i? Its not the primary issue here, and by the way read my first post i already said it was an off topic comment. Do you understand what off topic means? I Felt something and i expressed it but that does not mean that i intend to derail this thread or for that matter i intend to run away.



That is what I asked you to do. Why don't you simply give a ratio of how many threads have been started by Indians vis-a-vis those started by Pakistanis?

Neither the time nor the resources. And besides i said a few weeks



Really?? then why waste your time posting it & then make another ten posts justifying it?

Its rather you who are persisting on an issue.




Ofcourse you are free to express your views. Nobody denies it & that is your posting right. But this is a discussion forum where your views would be challenged and you should be ready to defend them aswell rather then making SOS calls. If you are so bothered then post your views on a blog.

Ohh please. Do challenge my views, i never stoped you from doing that and i am more then willing to defend my self. Also as for the SOS calls being made just move a few pages back and you will notice AM's post asking me and SA both to drop it. I hope you do understand what the word Drop means.
 
Do you understand the meaning of likely? And also when i say lets not jump on to conclusions.

That likeliness has to be based on some ground facts or some probable evidence. I named Pakistani Taliban based on the initial report from the Pakistani officials themselves. You on the other hand are merely discussing your flight of pegasus. This is why I asked you to provide some kind of news report or some link which points towards India/Australia/Brunei or whoever you feel is likely to have carried out.

No i didnt say i see out side hand, dont twist my post, said we cannot neglect one and as mentioned today in news AQ is behind it. There you go. So much for pakistani tailban being involved.:disagree:

I am glad that you cleared it & more than that I am happy to see that you consider AQ an outsider though, I don't know how one can separate AQ from Pakistani Taliban or Afghani Taliban. Its all a mixed bag of marbles. Nobody knows where AQ operates from, who are its operatives, what was the nationality of the man who carried out the attack.

Neither the time nor the resources. And besides i said a few weeks

This is an extract from your first post..

i kinda find it amazing how every time an incident such as this happens, indians are the fist one to post such news. Every terrorist thread is being updated by an indian.Wow. Its like they have nothing else to do rather then sitting over the internet and finding anything, any news, any article that could prove their point of pakistan as a terroist nation.

Doesn't read as few weeks but the word everytime. Also, didn't it surprise you that with 60 years of hostility Indians on this forum only started updating the thread in last few weeks? Kinda strange!! isn't it?

Besides, bomb blasts happening in Pakistan does not make it a terrorist nation but rather a victim. I am sure you would be more than willing to be a victim of terrorism than be a terrorist nation.
 
That likeliness has to be based on some ground facts or some probable evidence. I named Pakistani Taliban based on the initial report from the Pakistani officials themselves. You on the other hand are merely discussing your flight of pegasus. This is why I asked you to provide some kind of news report or some link which points towards India/Australia/Brunei or whoever you feel is likely to have carried out.

I never pointed out untill you jumped on to conclusion about pakistani tailban involved in it based on you intial report. Even then i said it may be a pakistani tailban or for that matter some indian, god knows for now, but we cannot neglect an out side hand possibility. I also said lets not jump on to conclusions for now, amusing everytime you miss the last part of my post.



I am glad that you cleared it & more than that I am happy to see that you consider AQ an outsider though, I don't know how one can separate AQ from Pakistani Taliban or Afghani Taliban. Its all a mixed bag of marbles. Nobody knows where AQ operates from, who are its operatives, what was the nationality of the man who carried out the attack.

AQ are outsiders. Do i need to post the nationalities of those who got killed or got arrested and you will find out how many of them were uzbeks, chechens. Even Lal-masjid had these foreign elements involved in it. And you also forgot to read my last article, which clearly mentioned their leader in Afghanistan Mustafa Abu al-yazid claiming the responsibility. There goes your question about where they are operating from and who are there operatives.



This is an extract from your first post..



Doesn't read as few weeks but the word everytime. Also, didn't it surprise you that with 60 years of hostility Indians on this forum only started updating the thread in last few weeks? Kinda strange!! isn't it?

I've highlighted the part for you in my previous post where i clearly said few weeks.

Dont BS. OK i said why is that every time an indian is updating pakistani terrorism thread, not that i have any problem with that, it seemed odd because for a [/U][/B]few consisting weeks [/U][/B]only indians were updating such pages and that too on regular basis.I felt it and so i expressed it. I can also cut paste threads showing how many of them are actually updated by indians on regular basis and being the first ones to post such news

I hope you get it this time where i wrote few weeks.

Besides, bomb blasts happening in Pakistan does not make it a terrorist nation but rather a victim. I am sure you would be more than willing to be a victim of terrorism than be a terrorist nation.

I'll rather try to kill the terrorist then being his victim.
 
I never pointed out untill you jumped on to conclusion about pakistani tailban involved in it based on you intial report. Even then i said it may be a pakistani tailban or for that matter some indian, god knows for now, but we cannot neglect an out side hand possibility.

This is the report I based my post on

Pakistani Taliban targeted Danes after cartoons: officials

You on the other hand are discussing Harry Potter stuff putting the blame on India.


I also said lets not jump on to conclusions for now, amusing everytime you miss the last part of my post.

Read last part of all your reports and don't seem to find any hidden celestial message you wish to convey.

AQ are outsiders. Do i need to post the nationalities of those who got killed or got arrested and you will find out how many of them were uzbeks, chechens. Even Lal-masjid had these foreign elements involved in it. And you also forgot to read my last article, which clearly mentioned their leader in Afghanistan Mustafa Abu al-yazid claiming the responsibility. There goes your question about where they are operating from and who are there operatives.

Here are certain news reports

Osama in K2 mountains?

'Osama hiding in area along Pak's borders'

The head of the AQ is living in Pakistan. Also, how much is AQ different from Pakistani Taliban. To me they seem to go hand in glove. What is the likeliness that there was no cooperation between Pakistani Taliban & Al Qaeda? It is far more likely than Indian involvement.

I've highlighted the part for you in my previous post where i clearly said few weeks.

I hope you get it this time where i wrote few weeks.

I don't know what's going on with you. From 'everytime' to few weeks' to 'previous post' to 'first post' to again 'last post'. You seem like a confused kid lost in a labyrinth. You don't know what you are trying to say here. With all this last post, first post drama you are only chasing your own tail.

I'll rather try to kill the terrorist then being his victim.

Nothing that it matters. The point is that all this terrorist acts don't make Pakistan a terrorist nation only it shows Pakistan as a victim of terrorism. A far cry from what you accused of Indians here.
 
This is the report I based my post on

Pakistani Taliban targeted Danes after cartoons: officials

You on the other hand are discussing Harry Potter stuff putting the blame on India.

Again you seem to misunderstand my post or should i say trying to twist my post, a habbit indians are very fond off. But anyways let put it again for you i said it may be a pakistani tailban or for that matter an indian, but only God knows for now. Now that it doesnt matter because AQ has claimed the responsibility. So let me ask you is my english too hard or too bad for you to understand? Because in anyway you are going in circles.




Read last part of all your reports and don't seem to find any hidden celestial message you wish to convey.

What can i say if someone chooses to remain ignorant.:rolleyes:



Here are certain news reports

Osama in K2 mountains?

'Osama hiding in area along Pak's borders'

The head of the AQ is living in Pakistan. Also, how much is AQ different from Pakistani Taliban. To me they seem to go hand in glove. What is the likeliness that there was no cooperation between Pakistani Taliban & Al Qaeda? It is far more likely than Indian involvement.

Ohh please!! give me a break, do you really believe in this "Western ****" now in possession of indians.:disagree: And by the way we were discussing the bombblast in pakistan carried out by someone in afghanistan not Osama's location. It seems you couldnt find anything else to counter that, and you came up with this to support your arguement. Ohh my god.....
According to them pakistan is also the world most dangerous country, even more dangerous then iraq and our nukes are ready to fall into the hands of AQ at any moment. I'm sure you also believe in this also.:tsk:


I don't know what's going on with you. From 'everytime' to few weeks' to 'previous post' to 'first post' to again 'last post'. You seem like a confused kid lost in a labyrinth. You don't know what you are trying to say here. With all this last post, first post drama you are only chasing your own tail.

If you fail to understand something, dont blame me. Isnt it obivious that i will only clarify when someone asks. You did and i clarified it. What is in it that is too hard for you get? By the way i am not a kid. Ask anyone here.



Nothing that it matters. The point is that all this terrorist acts don't make Pakistan a terrorist nation only it shows Pakistan as a victim of terrorism. A far cry from what you accused of Indians here.

It does matter to me and since you mentioned it, i replied, but anyways dont be a hypocrite, what you are saying in the last paragraph about pakistan not a terrorist nation and on the other hand posting articles about osama being in K-2 or whereever, clearly signifies what you really think about pakistan and what are the real intentions of you guys who only choose to update the terrorism related threads about pakistan. This is exactly what i've being mentioning here all along, you just proved me right.

By the way thread has already gone off topic and i dont intent to carry on with you on this never ending debate. This will by my last reply to you on this related issue. You wish to carry on, open a new thread and i'll be more then happy to reply.
 
These types of attacks will always be there so long as terrorist organisations and fundamentalist ones are allowed respectability
 
Again you seem to misunderstand my post or should i say trying to twist my post, a habbit indians are very fond off. But anyways let put it again for you i said it may be a pakistani tailban or for that matter an indian, but only God knows for now. Now that it doesnt matter because AQ has claimed the responsibility. So let me ask you is my english too hard or too bad for you to understand? Because in anyway you are going in circles.

aahh!!! Another accusation on Indians!!!! Care to prove it?

Well, I'll let it go. You made an accusation against Indians in your first post & havn't proved it yet going around from 'everytime' to 'few weeks' to 'last post', 'last statement'. Asking you prove another statement of yours would be pushing you to your limits.

What can i say if someone chooses to remain ignorant.:rolleyes:

I would choose to remain ignorant rather than following your 'read my last post', 'last statement', 'first post', 'last paragraph' game. All this while you have simply discussed your imagination without supporting it with proper proof & you expect me to understand? It would be better to be ignorant than be lost in your confusion.

Ohh please!! give me a break, do you really believe in this "Western ****" now in possession of indians.:disagree:

Care to prove this statement if it isn't getting too much on your nerves? I bet you can't prove this aswell.

And by the way we were discussing the bombblast in pakistan carried out by someone in afghanistan not Osama's location. It seems you couldnt find anything else to counter that, and you came up with this to support your arguement. Ohh my god.....

The supreme head of Al Qaeda is based in Pakistan. Several news reports have been published in western press regarding association of Al Qaeda and extremists in FATA. I asked you a simple question 'What is the likeliness that there is absolutely no co-operation between AQ and Pakistani Taliban'?

According to them pakistan is also the world most dangerous country, even more dangerous then iraq and our nukes are ready to fall into the hands of AQ at any moment. I'm sure you also believe in this also.:tsk:

Western intelligence have its own reasons to believe given the history between Pakistan, ISI, Taliban & support for Taliban in FATA, SWAT and other regions. Pakistanis can believe otherwise. As for what I believe, you don't need to bother. My views are too insignifacant to make any difference. I believe what I see & read.

If you fail to understand something, dont blame me. Isnt it obivious that i will only clarify when someone asks. You did and i clarified it. What is in it that is too hard for you get? By the way i am not a kid. Ask anyone here.

Your clarification is something only you could understand moving from 'last post' to 'first post' to 'last statement'. It seems like a journey more adventurous than Sinbad.

It does matter to me and since you mentioned it, i replied, but anyways dont be a hypocrite, what you are saying in the last paragraph about pakistan not a terrorist nation and on the other hand posting articles about osama being in K-2 or whereever, clearly signifies what you really think about pakistan and what are the real intentions of you guys who only choose to update the terrorism related threads about pakistan.

So, do you say that Osama is not in K-2? Do you want to prove it otherwise? As for the intentions, after all the journey from 'last post' to 'first post' I don't think you are witty enough to decipher somebody's intentions. Leave it for some higher intellectuals.

This is exactly what i've being mentioning here all along, you just proved me right.

But you havn't been able to prove anything sofar. No links, nothing just hollow words emenating from an empty mindspace.

By the way thread has already gone off topic and i dont intent to carry on with you on this never ending debate. This will by my last reply to you on this related issue. You wish to carry on, open a new thread and i'll be more then happy to reply.

Adios!!! amigo.
 
Talwar,

23march's post was in response to what he claimed was an offensive gesture of drawing caricatures of Muhammed.

His reference to Gandhi was to try and illustrate and compare how insulting someone or something held in high esteem by Indians would be considered just as "wrong". It may have been an analogy in poor taste, but it was nonetheless a valid attempt at coming up with an analogy in response to an already committed "insult" of "caricatures".

Your response was nothing but an attempt to deliberately denigrate.
 
Talwar,

23march's post was in response to what he claimed was an offensive gesture of drawing caricatures of Muhammed.

His reference to Gandhi was to try and illustrate and compare how insulting someone or something held in high esteem by Indians would be considered just as "wrong". It may have been an analogy in poor taste, but it was nonetheless a valid attempt at coming up with an analogy in response to an already committed "insult" of "caricatures".

Your response was nothing but an attempt to deliberately denigrate.

> Gandhi is not a God. [He is an India specific figure].

> The danish cartoons are not pakistan specific. They are against Islam, and Indians have
expressed their anger against such publications which are obstacle to Interreligion peace.

> The point is, we do understand very well and feelings are mutual when somebody disgraces
the second most populus religion in India. And there is no need to give poor examples to
promote hatred between the neighbours.

Muslim brothers have fought for the nation since the british rule and we have most high regards
for them. Some misguided youth in India my comment against muslims, but as such Indias are not
against muslims and we respect all religions.

I did report the post from March23, and waited for Admin response.

Sir, Please can I kindly request you to delete the post from March23.
 
aahh!!! Another accusation on Indians!!!! Care to prove it?

I wouldnt want to drag another indian into it, however he is known for twisting posts and taking out meanings of his own. Similar of what you are doing currently.

Well, I'll let it go. You made an accusation against Indians in your first post & havn't proved it yet going around from 'everytime' to 'few weeks' to 'last post', 'last statement'. Asking you prove another statement of yours would be pushing you to your limits.

Ok, first let me ask you a question here, did i not say that it was what i felt and hence expressed my concerns over it? Are you getting it through your head, because i simply find it the other way round. Do you want me to post a link here showing indian member's real intention when he/she updates the terrorism page and only the terrorism page and that too on regular basis, well i am sorry there ant no links for that. But anywas Bushroda, why is that you guys cant find any other news other then terrorism concerning pakistan, if only updating is your major concern?



I would choose to remain ignorant rather than following your 'read my last post', 'last statement', 'first post', 'last paragraph' game. All this while you have simply discussed your imagination without supporting it with proper proof & you expect me to understand? It would be better to be ignorant than be lost in your confusion.

DOnt blame on me about your doings. If my memory serves me correct, it was you who was jumping from one post to another, about me saying this in this post and that in that post. I just countered that. As for the proofs, i dont know what will serve as proofs, you see this isnt a news i could get from geo and post it here, its what i felt and expressed and i have said it before also, i am free to express my views as do you.



Care to prove this statement if it isn't getting too much on your nerves? I bet you can't prove this aswell.

Do i need to. One can already see it from the attitude that you are displaying here, singing the same songs, west is doing all along, Indians expressing fears about pakistani nukes falling into the wrong hand.


The supreme head of Al Qaeda is based in Pakistan. Several news reports have been published in western press regarding association of Al Qaeda and extremists in FATA. I asked you a simple question 'What is the likeliness that there is absolutely no co-operation between AQ and Pakistani Taliban'?

Ahh right, is that a fact, let me ask you how did you know it, are you the head of RAW working somewhere in afgahistan or do you have a personal satellite, that you use to identify the hideouts of Osama. If so care to ellaborate where in pakistan, so that we could all be enlightened on the issue and i am sure your services will not go in vain. As for the reports that you are talking about, Well a moment ago you were asking me to prove it when i said this western **** is now possessed by indians, you have done it yourself for me otherwise you wouldnt have gone for mentioning the western media reports and making them your source of reference if you did not believed in it yourself.

About the question that you asked, first you said based on what ever initial report that you had, it is a pakistani tailban, i countered that with saying that it might be or it might be an outside hand. Then i posted an article saying that AQ has now claimed responsibility and the person who did is in afghanistan, since now you were not left with anything more to say first you brought Osama into it and now the likely connection. What is going on here are you running low on your facts, trying to find an escape route and hence decided to pick things one after the another to support your argument.:disagree: You need to do better then that. Stick to one thing and counter it with facts, discuss the issue at hand and not run in circles.

As for your question, you need to understand that tailban are running a dialouge with the new government and a deal is struck between the two sides or close to struck, do you seriously believe that tailban would commit such an act when their most precious demands of stoping the military action, withdrawinig of troops are being negotiated, they would do something to jeopardize it, think again.

Western intelligence have its own reasons to believe given the history between Pakistan, ISI, Taliban & support for Taliban in FATA, SWAT and other regions. Pakistanis can believe otherwise. As for what I believe, you don't need to bother. My views are too insignifacant to make any difference. I believe what I see & read.

If you are talking about history then my friend you need to realize that pakistan wasnt alone in the making of this history, you have missed another key player in it, The US. Also when you talk about history between pakistan and ISI, let me tell you something, ISI is not a terrorist organisation, its an intelligence agency that comes within pakistan so there is no connection between the two. You can talk about the connection between pakistan and tailban but you cant being ISI into it as a seperate entity. And also if we go according to your theory about the history of connections between the two, you again forgot that pakistan wasnt the one alone having such connections, US too had and one can suspect the US too based on that history.
Pakistanies can believe otherwise, they dont need too, its already proven in the elections, where all moderate forces have been elected and extremists have been rejected through out the country specially MMA who had majority in the areas that you just mentioned. This should be more then enough to prove that pakistanies does not have a soft corner for AQ or its ilks.


Your clarification is something only you could understand moving from 'last post' to 'first post' to 'last statement'. It seems like a journey more adventurous than Sinbad.

I would relate to someones Incapacity to understand, specially when things dont turn out to be their way.



So, do you say that Osama is not in K-2? Do you want to prove it otherwise? As for the intentions, after all the journey from 'last post' to 'first post' I don't think you are witty enough to decipher somebody's intentions. Leave it for some higher intellectuals.

Dont run around in circles and try to find a way out. Forget about what i think, because i am not the one who brought Osama into this, You say he's in pakistan, prove it. And dont come up with BS media reports. Give me something as to why pakistanies should believe that Osama is in pakistan. This the same question that Musharraf asked all of those so called media reporters, the western intelligence, the western authorites, and to afganistan. They couldnt come up with anything. lets see what you can come up with?
Its very easy to put a blame on to someone but lets see if you got the balls to put your money where your mouth is.


But you havn't been able to prove anything sofar. No links, nothing just hollow words emenating from an empty mindspace.

What links? My personal views about what i think about indians updating the terroism page will have no links. As for the attack on the danish embassy, i posted a whole article on it, about the person claiming the responsibility of AQ in afghanistan.
Our response to it should be more severe as afghanistan with their puppet government is the one blaming all along that pakistan is sponspering terrorism into afghanistan and its the very other way round, AQ is using their grounds right under the US and NATO watch to launch terrorism into pakistan.
 
I wouldnt want to drag another indian into it, however he is known for twisting posts and taking out meanings of his own. Similar of what you are doing currently.

So, that one Indians act has become a habbit of all Indian posters here!!! Now. just like you I am surprised with your scaling ability. Take one sample and extrapolate it over a whole wide array. BTW, I commend you for this noble act of yours for not naming the poster. With your confusion, you would probably end up dragging someone else's name through the mud without any proper proof.

Ok, first let me ask you a question here, did i not say that it was what i felt and hence expressed my concerns over it? Are you getting it through your head, because i simply find it the other way round.

And that is what I want to know. What is the basis fo such "concerns" of yours? This is what is hard to get through my head. Or you have simply wrapped this phobia around yourself without any proof. Consult a psychiatrist then.

Do you want me to post a link here showing indian member's real intention when he/she updates the terrorism page and only the terrorism page and that too on regular basis,

Isn't it what I have been asking you all this while? Something you have been avoiding like plague. Simple thing to do.. give a ratio of number of terrorism related threads or posts made by Indians vis-a-vis those by Pakistanis. If the ratio of Indians is more than I agree that your comcerns are well founded.

well i am sorry there ant no links for that.

So you agree that its all in your head and nothing concrete.

But anywas Bushroda, why is that you guys cant find any other news other then terrorism concerning pakistan, if only updating is your major concern?

Ask yourself!!! why this unnecessary phobia? Everytime I ask you to provide a proof you revert back into your shell like a turtle posting your regular cliched comments like 'It is what I felt', 'I am free to believe what I want'. Your concerns do not have any justification.

If it helps you in some way then you can have a look at my nearly 1800 posts. You might get your answer on how many times I have bothered with the terrorism in Pakistan.

DOnt blame on me about your doings. If my memory serves me correct, it was you who was jumping from one post to another, about me saying this in this post and that in that post. I just countered that. As for the proofs, i dont know what will serve as proofs, you see this isnt a news i could get from geo and post it here, its what i felt and expressed and i have said it before also, i am free to express my views as do you.

To begin with I wasn't the one directing you 'Read my last post', 'Go to first post', 'See my last statement'. With all these GoTo & loops your whole discussion has become a bowl of sphagetti without knowing where the head starts & the tail ends. Clear up your confusion, dude!!!

Do i need to. One can already see it from the attitude that you are displaying here, singing the same songs, west is doing all along, Indians expressing fears about pakistani nukes falling into the wrong hand.

So basically, you don't have any proof that the western media is in hands of Indians other than your own narrow observation which is marred with confusion & unnecessary phobia.

Ahh right, is that a fact, let me ask you how did you know it, are you the head of RAW working somewhere in afgahistan or do you have a personal satellite, that you use to identify the hideouts of Osama.

From here,

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Pakistan News Service - PakTribune

You can google up and there are tons of news articles. I posted the links before but you purposely ignored them. But unlike you, I am not going to keep directing you to my previous posts. So, I did it again. You can have a look.


If so care to ellaborate where in pakistan, so that we could all be enlightened on the issue and i am sure your services will not go in vain.

Read the report, it says Karakoram segment.

As for the reports that you are talking about, Well a moment ago you were asking me to prove it when i said this western **** is now possessed by indians, you have done it yourself for me otherwise you wouldnt have gone for mentioning the western media reports and making them your source of reference if you did not believed in it yourself.

So If I quote a news source from a western media then I am the one controlling it? Man!! your demented logic is itself at the top of K2.

See carefully now, the news report is from Pakistan & the source is Arabic television network Al-Arabiya.

About the question that you asked, first you said based on what ever initial report that you had, it is a pakistani tailban, i countered that with saying that it might be or it might be an outside hand. Then i posted an article saying that AQ has now claimed responsibility and the person who did is in afghanistan, since now you were not left with anything more to say first you brought Osama into it and now the likely connection.

and I asked you the same, the head of AQ is in Pakistan. The order emanated from the inside the Pakistan, most likely carried out by a Pakistani & you were going around puting the 'likely' blame on India & accusing Indians of maligning Pakistan. I ask again 'What is the likeliness that there is no co-operation between AQ and Pakistani taliban?'.

What is going on here are you running low on your facts, trying to find an escape route and hence decided to pick things one after the another to support your argument.:disagree: You need to do better then that. Stick to one thing and counter it with facts, discuss the issue at hand and not run in circles.

Sorry Dude!! thats your trait.. you are the one making SOS calls when cornered. I have provided you proof at every step. I said 'Pakistani Taliban' based on the initial reports. I provided the link to that. You otoh, have been busy building castles in the sky. 'Indians are trying to malign Pakistan by posting -ve news', 'Indians control the western media', 'Go to first post', 'Read my last statement'.

As for your question, you need to understand that tailban are running a dialouge with the new government and a deal is struck between the two sides or close to struck, do you seriously believe that tailban would commit such an act when their most precious demands of stoping the military action, withdrawinig of troops are being negotiated, they would do something to jeopardize it, think again.

You have a very well placed confidence in taliban. Atleast there is one place where you havn't shown your regular confusion. Even Pakistani officials themselves didn't have so much confidence & that is why they were so quick to put the blame onto them. A proof well enough to tell how close they are into stricking the deal and how much confidence is there between them.

If you are talking about history then my friend you need to realize that pakistan wasnt alone in the making of this history, you have missed another key player in it, The US.

US left after the end of Afghan war nearly two decades back. Pakistan had chance to dismantle the Jihadi groups & aid in the assistance of rebuilding Afghanistan. Did it do it? Instead it choose to throw its weight behind Taliban, a radical islamic group.

Also when you talk about history between pakistan and ISI, let me tell you something, ISI is not a terrorist organisation, its an intelligence agency that comes within pakistan so there is no connection between the two. You can talk about the connection between pakistan and tailban but you cant being ISI into it as a seperate entity. And also if we go according to your theory about the history of connections between the two, you again forgot that pakistan wasnt the one alone having such connections, US too had and one can suspect the US too based on that history.

Here are some links (Western obviously since Pakistani media wouldn't do so)

Pakistani Intelligence Had Links to Al Qaeda, U.S. Officials Say

A NATION CHALLENGED: ISLAMABAD; Pakistan to Cut Islamists' Links To Spy Agency - New York Times

The ISI and Terrorism: Behind the Accusations - Council on Foreign Relations

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Pakistan 'gives militants refuge'

The ISI and Terrorism: Behind the Accusations - washingtonpost.com

Pakistan: Writer Exposes ISI's Role in Politics

Clearly tells you what the rest of the world thinks of ISI.

Dont run around in circles and try to find a way out. Forget about what i think, because i am not the one who brought Osama into this, You say he's in pakistan, prove it. And dont come up with BS media reports. Give me something as to why pakistanies should believe that Osama is in pakistan. This the same question that Musharraf asked all of those so called media reporters, the western intelligence, the western authorites, and to afganistan. They couldnt come up with anything. lets see what you can come up with?
Its very easy to put a blame on to someone but lets see if you got the balls to put your money where your mouth is.

You want me to prove it & also want me not to post western media reports. So, Do you expect me to take a trip to K2 and send you a postcard from there with my pic along with Osama? Man!! you've totally lost it. BTW, who decides the media reports are BS? you!!! With your confusion & phobic nature I don't suppose you can make that judgement. Btw, I've posted the links & I am sure you must've read them by now.


What links? My personal views about what i think about indians updating the terroism page will have no links.

So it means your confusion & phobia. Nothing else.
 
Talwar,

23march's post was in response to what he claimed was an offensive gesture of drawing caricatures of Muhammed.

His reference to Gandhi was to try and illustrate and compare how insulting someone or something held in high esteem by Indians would be considered just as "wrong". It may have been an analogy in poor taste, but it was nonetheless a valid attempt at coming up with an analogy in response to an already committed "insult" of "caricatures".

Your response was nothing but an attempt to deliberately denigrate.

Maybe his prowess over the language is the cause of the misunderstanding!

Sadly all are not so blessed!
 
His reference to Gandhi was to try and illustrate and compare how insulting someone or something held in high esteem by Indians would be considered just as "wrong". It may have been an analogy in poor taste, but it was nonetheless a valid attempt at coming up with an analogy in response to an already committed "insult" of "caricatures".

AM there have been instances where Gandhi and Indian Gods have been denigrated in the name of freedom of expression in the west, heck there are Indian artists who do it freely here in India. Ever heard of Om symbol on designer underwears, shiva and Ganesh's pictures in designer bathroom commodores, Nude gods in paintings of MF Hussain so the argument "How will you feel if your God or leader has been denigrated" holds no value and merit. Such comparisons prove nothing.

There are ways and means to show displeasure at these things rather than running riot, burning effigies and bombing innocent civilians. For starters how about boycotting their products? How about Danish Muslims boycotting the paper ? How about using the media as a protest tool and ratinally explaining how it is insulting to your community? Above all if I was a muslim I would have thought that the cartoonist is a Prick( maybe add to that showing my middle finger towards him and the cartoon) and would have moved on rather than running riot and proving that his cartoon was right.

Cheers
 
AM there have been instances where Gandhi and Indian Gods have been denigrated in the name of freedom of expression in the west, heck there are Indian artists who do it freely here in India. Ever heard of Om symbol on designer underwears, shiva and Ganesh's pictures in designer bathroom commodores, Nude gods in paintings of MF Hussain so the argument "How will you feel if your God or leader has been denigrated" holds no value and merit. Such comparisons prove nothing.

There are ways and means to show displeasure at these things rather than running riot, burning effigies and bombing innocent civilians. For starters how about boycotting their products? How about Danish Muslims boycotting the paper ? How about using the media as a protest tool and ratinally explaining how it is insulting to your community? Above all if I was a muslim I would have thought that the cartoonist is a Prick( maybe add to that showing my middle finger towards him and the cartoon) and would have moved on rather than running riot and proving that his cartoon was right.

Cheers

Err.. I'm not arguing anything here... yet.

My post was a clarification of why I did not delete March's posts, but did delete the subsequent post by Talwar.
 
Err.. I'm not arguing anything here... yet.

My post was a clarification of why I did not delete March's posts, but did delete the subsequent post by Talwar.

No worries buddy, I just wanted to clarify that such incidents have taken place and enroute added my opinion.

Cheers
 

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