Thousands of Hong Kong protesters sing Star Spangled Banner, wave American flags

[Nein]

Opium Wars basically make Pablo Escobar a school kid compared to the British Empire.

 

[kankan326]

Lol China's system doesn't really allows dissent and we all know that. In fact the CCP doesn't even hides it and openly penalize or delete any comments they deem harmful to the party. So how can you know what 99% of Chinese people(those who even have an idea of what is happening in Hong Kong, since the CCP controls the entire media system in China and only lets out what they deem necessary/benefitial to the party ) think?
Well, that's the thing with democracy as well, the people are free to openly say what they are against or not without fear of being persecuted or imprison/dissapeared for that.etc
Hong Kong has already gotten used to their free market democratic system and I'm sure the vast majority doesn't want to lose that , reason they are so distrustful of the Chinese government given that China has the opposite of Hong Kong's system. The thing is, once a country is fully developed and advanced to a certain level, then the people tend to focus less on material things and more on their personal freedom/lifestyle etc. So Hong Kong and Taiwan having tasted the fruits of a free democratic system (and they do travel to China to see a different system) wouldn't want to change their system for a long time to come.


You can't compare the world centuries ago to today's modern world, it's a totally different era we live in today. So comparing China's system during the first world war to justify today's system isn't right. Using your logic we can also say China's dictatorial emperor is GOD'S system is what led China to collapse and decay as well , no? And let to turmoil (and subsequent invasions) throughout the country. So I don't think using past century system to justify current system is right.


You are also mixing things up. Okay, China has been under CCP for over 60 years now. Why is it that until chairman MAO(CCP founder) died China was considered the sick man of Asia throughout his rule and among the poorest( of not the poorest, since even North Korea was wealthier)? So would you also blame that on the CCP or something else ?
Is it not when the CCP(more like pragmatic Deng) ditch Mao's red totalitarian ideological system and open up to the West(which many on the CCP were keenly against) and world that China started taking off? So I think it's instead the opposite you should be saying.

Moreover , many of you forget that China should be at least at South Korea's level of development of not for all the time wasted by CCP being closed off to the world and using a rigid Soviet style communist ideological closed system . Since the Chinese have a high IQ, are generally entrepreneurial, hard working and shrewd businessmen. Just look at all the successful Chinese origin countries Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore etc and all the super wealthy ethnic Chinese people(who mostly fled the closed communist China in the 50-70s) make up the vast majority of wealth in south East Asia countries despite all the odds and resentment against them . So under even a neutral /not too bad system of leadership China should have been a far more developed country than it is today. At present the CCP is merely catching up to the position they should have long been in to be honest.

You made same mistake as those HK traitors: 1,You believe you know the CCP more than us. 2, You underrate ordinary mainland Chinese wisdom on understanding politics.

Is there any sign that shows in PDF the Chinese members are less informative than you guys? Do we look like brainwashed idiots that always make weird comments?

China was backward in Mao age for many reasons. One is US blocking China. No under development country can gain economy success in such hostile international environment. China's later economic boom is the result of market economy and international cooperation. So are the Korea, Japan and even US. Nothing about democracy.

 

[S10]

You made same mistake as those HK traitors: 1,You believe you know the CCP more than us. 2, You underrate ordinary mainland Chinese wisdom on understanding politic.

Is there any sign that shows in PDF the Chinese members are less informative than you guys? Do we look like brainwashed idiots that always make weird comments?

China was backward in Mao age for many reasons. One is US blocking China. No under development country can gain economy success in such hostile international environment. China's later economic boom is the result of marketing economy and international cooperation. So are the Korea, Japan and even US. Nothing about democracy.

Let me start by saying that I don't like Communists. In fact, I find the CCP had been disastrous for China's development on several occasions. Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, continued corruption and censorship are some of worst manifestations of CCP's unchecked power. However, I recognize that Western democracy is not a pre-requisite for advancement of a nation. In fact, the Asian tigers (Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong grew at their fastest rate when they were under authoritarian rule. A more developed society paved way to greater political openness. In the case of Hong Kong and Taiwan, deformed emulation of democracy have actually dragged them into societal conflict. They have received the curse of populism.

Hong Kong's riots are not about being anti-CCP, but rather they want to pursue some unrealistic goal of independence with foreign support. As a Chinese, I find that repulsive even with my dislike of CCP. As such, rioters and supporters get no sympathy from me. I still support Hong Kong's autonomy. Let them have their elections and let them do what they want as they slip into irrelevance. If they can't be shining examples, then let them be horrible lessons.

I often get called Wumao “五毛” (50 cents) when I argue against those with separatist views. If I was a paid Beijing agent, then I need to find out where I can collect my checks.

 

[Akasa]

This is a bit much, IMHO.

How is this helpful to their cause?

If "Curveball" was enough to kick off Operation Iraqi Freedom, I've no doubt that these passionate youngsters can get US military leaders to think about Operation Chinese Freedom.

One thing for certain: these folks are a lot more helpful towards American society than those Antifa thugs and criminals.

Are Hong Kongers really racist towards mainland Chinese people?

Not one bit; they're merely tired of all the smuggling, mass border-crossings (mostly to buy commercial goods, leaving HK natives with less options), lackluster behavior of many Chinese tourists, mainlanders calling them "dogs" or "pawns of the West", and most of all the encroachment on HK autonomy by Beijing.

 

[Brainsucker]

They should go to the world's greatest democracy since they are so afraid of "Red Terror", and Hong Kong government should be generous enough to pay for their one way tickets going there.

I hope they like curry and chapati.

They're foreigner. So HK government just need to cancel their permanent residents status in Hongkong and extradite them back to their country. Plus give them the status of Persona no Grata, permanently. So they won't be back to Hongkong or China for their life time.

If "Curveball" was enough to kick off Operation Iraqi Freedom, I've no doubt that these passionate youngsters can get US military leaders to think about Operation Chinese Freedom.

Just let them try to start "Operation Chinese Freedom". LOL. Or maybe you want to be the first soldier to the front line? Well, I can only pray if you still exist after the first battle.

 

[casual]

if only HK gov can just deport them to America