This was how they got the figures of One million Uyghurs Incarceration in China?

[Slick]

You're just being pedantic right now. Just because most Chinese don't believe in uighur being oppressed doesn't mean it's true. The evidences have been cited, quoted topped with testimony from all sides plastered all over the news. With some member states in the UN wanting a resolution & some countries even sanctioning china over it. So unless those countries are just doing it for the lulz or china is lying to its teeth.

What makes the Chinese any different to flat earthers at this rate?

There are more countries that support China's initiatives in Xinjiang than there are against. If you're going to try use an argument based on numerical advantage then at least make sure your side has the greater number.

It should be extremely easy to convince a skeptical person to be on your side if you actually had evidence. Present the evidence. Accusations have been made but evidence is lacking. Testimony that changes after a few months to support the new narrative is not credible testimony. News that regurgitate information by quoting each other is not "evidence". It might convince a dumb sheep, but for someone who follows the scientific method, having more people rumormonger doesn't make the accusations more plausible. You actually need evidence. The usual suspects are the ones making a fuss at the UN.

Here's a challenge. Why don't you prove there's 1 million Uighurs in concentration camps? And no, interviewing 8 random people that claim their village has 10% of the population in concentration camps and then using that 10% to conclude that there's 10% of the total Uighur population in concentration camps is just not going to cut it as "evidence" despite it being widely quoted everywhere.

 

[initial_d]

for my pakistani brother, what are your thoughts about this!?

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[Reashot Xigwin]

There are more countries that support China's initiatives in Xinjiang than there are against. If you're going to try use an argument based on numerical advantage then at least make sure your side has the greater number.

It should be extremely easy to convince a skeptical person to be on your side if you actually had evidence. Present the evidence. Accusations have been made but evidence is lacking. Testimony that changes after a few months to support the new narrative is not credible testimony. News that regurgitate information by quoting each other is not "evidence". It might convince a dumb sheep, but for someone who follows the scientific method, having more people rumormonger doesn't make the accusations more plausible. You actually need evidence. The usual suspects are the ones making a fuss at the UN.

Here's a challenge. Why don't you prove there's 1 million Uighurs in concentration camps? And no, interviewing 8 random people that claim their village has 10% of the population in concentration camps and then using that 10% to conclude that there's 10% of the total Uighur population in concentration camps is just not going to cut it as "evidence" despite it being widely quoted everywhere.

This ain't a democracy. Majority can say the sky is green it still doesn't change the fact that it's not. Also notice most of the country that "supports" (did they ever mention whether they support the treatment of uighur or not?) China's are either just as bad or worse in their human rights department.

The evidence is already there in plain sight from countless eyewitness testimony, psychical evidences like torture & other forms of physical wound, sterilization mark, lost of homes & other cultural identifier & tons of other messed up stuff. People even have to resort to put malwares on Chinese government phone just to find the truth
https://m.republika.co.id/berita/qcucc1320/benarkah-china-mulai-batasi-populasi-muslim-uighur

And also this news about leaked parcel of 22 lies which include talking points, documents & videos to support the Chinese regime claim which unsurprisingly some of the people here have used:

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/07/10/...t-party-justifying-brutality-against-uyghurs/

Either a lot of countries are in on a joke to sanction China or china is lying.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1282787034487283713

Their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals.

Full article:
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/...ns-uyghurs-problems-claims-us-ngo-researcher/

China considers suing rumor-mongering researchers and think tanks for libel
By Ruo Zhang Source: Globaltimes.cn Published: 2020/7/8 15:52:30

Adrian Zenz Photo: Screenshot of an online video


Sources say that China is considering suing Adrian Zenz and the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) that have long published and disseminated disinformation about China for libel.

Who is Adrian Zenz? And what kind of think tank is ASPI?

Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian who believes he is "led by God" on a "mission" against China, is now a member of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, a far-right organization established by the US government in 1993, and a senior fellow in a research group set up by the US intelligence community on the vocational education and training centers in Xinjiang.

In 2018, Adrian Zenz was still a faculty member of the European School of Culture and Theology at Columbia International University, Korntal.

As the US steps up its disinformation campaign against China, Adrian Zenz has transformed almost overnight from an unknown researcher into a go-to pundit on Xinjiang. In recent years, he has churned out several sensational "reports" on Xinjiang, in which he spread the rumor that over one million Uyghurs were detained there. As revealed by The Grayzone, an independent news website in the US, Adrian Zenz jumped to the groundless estimate according to a single report by Istiqlal TV, a Uighur exile media organization based in Turkey that works for the separatist cause while playing host to an assortment of extremist figures.

Children have fun in "Dove Lane" in the old town Tuancheng of Hotan City, northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, May 27, 2020.Photo:Xinhua

Another high-profile anti-China think tank is the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI). ASPI is funded by Australian Department of Defense, military contractors and foreign governments including NATO, the US State Department and the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

Since Peter Jennings became ASPI's executive director in 2012, the think tank has gradually become the vanguard of slandering campaign against China, spreading the "China threat theory" wantonly, and producing a large number of untrue "reports" on Xinjiang and other issues. Geoff Raby, former Australian ambassador to China, said that he sees ASPI as "very much the architect of the China threat theory in Australia". Bob Carr, former Australian foreign minister and New South Wales premier, has accused ASPI of pumping out a "one-sided, pro-American view of the world". The Australian Financial Reviewpointed out that the ASPI foments anti-China hysteria to the benefit of its benefactors.

In recent years, Adrian Zenz and the ASPI have frequently published so-called "studies" and "reports" on such issues as Xinjiang and COVID-19, making unfounded accusations of China. They colluded with certain media outlets and anti-China politicians to form a chain of disinformation. Though pretending to be an independent scholar or think tank, they deliberately fabricate China-related lies and have in fact become the puppets of anti-China forces in the US and Australia and tools of political manipulation. The fact that China is considering suing such kind of researchers and think tanks as Adrian Zenz and the ASPI that have been slandering China for so long is truly an act of justice, analysts said.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193872.shtml

CIA propaganda is beyond ridiculous.

It reminds me of all the negative propaganda against Taliban banning XYZ including paper bags (lol) and the allegations by CIA mouthpieces and drama like Malala that Pakistani girls can't go to school.

All money donated to help Afghanistan was pocketed by Westerners, given to warlords for loyalty to US, and fake ghost schools were built to market development in Afghanistan

 

[Beast]

for my pakistani brother, what are your thoughts about this!?

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Why need to drag Pakistanis in? I am sure Pakistan has more issue with Kashmir and Baluchistan. Then there is Kurdish ,Palestinian, Syrian, Libyan.. Maybe you have an agenda?

 

[Nilgiri]

Why need to drag Pakistanis in? I am sure Pakistan has more issue with Kashmir and Baluchistan. Then there is Kurdish ,Palestinian, Syrian, Libyan.. Maybe you have an agenda?

Yes because you are some ultimate example of staying on topic and not "dragging" other things in:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/leak...s-led-from-trains.676189/page-4#post-12540209

Literally telling a muslim member of this forum that he has "fake concern" for muslims....and then you imply he supports BJP/Modi on top of that moments later.

Give us a break from the tin box red-book scatterbrain sermons dude...it's so cringey.

Step down and actually friggin think first....at least make an attempt. You can do it....count slowly to 10 and then backwards, deep breaths help.

 

[beijingwalker]

A lie being repeated a thousand times is still a lie, China invited western officials to come to Xinjiang to see things for themselves but they all refused, none is more blind than those who won't see. Xinjiang 's great peace and prosperity is self explanatory, no country or region can achieve such a great prosperity by locking up and persecuting half of their population, this is simply common sense.

 

[Beast]

Yes because you are some ultimate example of staying on topic and not "dragging" other things in:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/leak...s-led-from-trains.676189/page-4#post-12540209

Literally telling a muslim member of this forum that he has "fake concern" for muslims....and then you imply he supports BJP/Modi on top of that moments later.

Give us a break from the tin box red-book scatterbrain sermons dude...it's so cringey.

Step down and actually friggin think first....at least make an attempt. You can do it....count slowly to 10 and then backwards, deep breaths help.

Yes, another great concern of Indian for Uighur. Muslim are so precious for you suddenly, I guess.

My points are valid and prove many so called concern for Uighur are nothing but crocodile tears trying to score a few cheap political points. Making use of these Uighur as pawn. I guess its embarrassing for you to talk about it.

 

[Nilgiri]

and prove many

Yes yes....everything a bozo blabs is proven past the bozo's own brain. QED.

 

[Beast]

Yes yes....everything a bozo blabs is proven past the bozo's own brain. QED.

Are you BJP and Modi supporter?

 

[Nilgiri]

Are you BJP and Modi supporter?

Nope.

Are you a CCP and Xi supporter?

 

[Beast]

Nope.

Are you a CCP and Xi supporter?

Then you shall hate all what India are going at the moment from intruding neighbor territories , mis management of covid-19 then a more non secular society that favours hindu.

Xi and CCP did a great job for China. USD 14 trillion economy, 5 times the economy size of India and many world record feet. We just finished global Beidou system and space station and mars we are coming

When China is strong, it is inevitable to attract slayers jealousy and their hatre trying to bring down China.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Yes, another great concern of Indian for Uighur. Muslim are so precious for you suddenly, I guess.

My points are valid and prove many so called concern for Uighur are nothing but crocodile tears trying to score a few cheap political points. Making use of these Uighur as pawn. I guess its embarrassing for you to talk about it.

Don't feed Hindutva troll, just report.

Thanks for your support friend in Kashmir. Also I appreciate you bringing attention to the government sponsored mobs attacking Muslims in Delhi.

Why need to drag Pakistanis in? I am sure Pakistan has more issue with Kashmir and Baluchistan. Then there is Kurdish ,Palestinian, Syrian, Libyan.. Maybe you have an agenda?

Thanks dear friends, actually some anti-Pakistani people who are obsessed with Pakistan try to call us out using Uyghur affair.

We have made the decision to be helpful to China and not support needless bloodshed between Uyghurs and rest of China.

Peace is still very much possible, whereas in places like Palestine and Kashmir, Muslims are being denied their rights by occupying powers who kill and rape with impunity.

Thank you China for speaking up for both Palestine and Kashmir.



@Musings @letsrock @PAKISTANFOREVER @masterchief_mirza

You see the code of conduct Indians engage in the same behavior everywhere.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Don't feed Hindutva troll, just report.

Thanks for your support friend in Kashmir. Also I appreciate you bringing attention to the government sponsored mobs attacking Muslims in Delhi.



Thanks dear friends, actually some anti-Pakistani people who are obsessed with Pakistan try to call us out using Uyghur affair.

We have made the decision to be helpful to China and not support needless bloodshed between Uyghurs and rest of China.

Peace is still very much possible, whereas in places like Palestine and Kashmir, Muslims are being denied their rights by occupying powers who kill and rape with impunity.

Thank you China for speaking up for both Palestine and Kashmir.



@Musings @letsrock @PAKISTANFOREVER @masterchief_mirza

You see the code of conduct Indians engage in the same behavior everywhere.

At least they're being consistent in the real indian code of conduct of trolling and spreading lies, propaganda and disinformation...........

 

[Slick]

This ain't a democracy. Majority can say the sky is green it still doesn't change the fact that it's not. Also notice most of the country that "supports" (did they ever mention whether they support the treatment of uighur or not?) China's are either just as bad or worse in their human rights department.

The evidence is already there in plain sight from countless eyewitness testimony, psychical evidences like torture & other forms of physical wound, sterilization mark, lost of homes & other cultural identifier & tons of other messed up stuff. People even have to resort to put malwares on Chinese government phone just to find the truth
https://m.republika.co.id/berita/qcucc1320/benarkah-china-mulai-batasi-populasi-muslim-uighur

And also this news about leaked parcel of 22 lies which include talking points, documents & videos to support the Chinese regime claim which unsurprisingly some of the people here have used:

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/07/10/...t-party-justifying-brutality-against-uyghurs/

Either a lot of countries are in on a joke to sanction China or china is lying.

Did you just own your own argument? It was you who used the number of supporters on your side to claim China is doing something evil. It was you who used the number of news agencies reporting on Xinjiang to claim China is doing something evil. You're right. Facts isn't based on democracy, it's based on evidence and you don't have any. Notice how I never used the number of supporters China has to claim they aren't doing something evil. It was you who used such flawed arguments repeatedly.

You literally spent the first part of your reply claiming it "ain't a democracy" then the last part of your reply contradicting your very first point.