This is what an empowered and dignified women is like

[Zibago]

If I was demanding it in a non Muslim country, yes it would be ridiculous.

But I am demanding it in Pakistan, a state founded on the basis of Islam. So it's not at all ridiculous.

You have no right to dictate your terms on others

 

[Hamza913]

You have no right to dictate your terms on others

So it is not right to demand people not to go outside nude? Strange view you have there.

 

[Zibago]

So it is not right to demand people not to go outside nude? Strange view you have there.

Being without hijab is not same as being nude if it is to you get your head checked

 

[Hamza913]

Being without hijab is not same as being nude if it is to you get your head checked

???

When did I say it was?

 

[airmarshal]

She is very confident and she really impressed me.

Regardless of what my views are regarding niqab, which to me is extreme form of self imposed chastity, I thin she was articulate and argued well.

 

[Zibago]

???

When did I say it was?

You know the false comparison was made two posts ago

 

[Hamza913]

You know the false comparison was made two posts ago

Oh wait you meant hijab/niqab and not clothes in general?

That changes things a lot.

Anyway, I still think it should be legally enforced for Muslim women to wear a headscarf at minimum.

 

[jamahir]

She is very confident and she really impressed me.

Regardless of what my views are regarding niqab, which to me is extreme form of self imposed chastity, I thin she was articulate and argued well.

If her interviewer had been a Socialist, especially a old-style Socialist Muslim, she wouldn't have been confident.

Her types can be vocal only in front of politically-correct Centrist Westerners.

Also, I acknowledge @Luffy 500 pointing out that this woman did not use the cliched phrse of the burqas - "The hijab is my pride and not my compulsion". But that is where mine and his thoughts diverge.

 

[Divergent]

Do you agree wearing a Niqab is not compulsory?

 

[jamahir]

Do you agree wearing a Niqab is not compulsory?

If you are asking everyone, then yes, it is not compulsory.

The niqab ( face cover, veil ), and even the burqa ( abaya, chador ), are more a cultural thing ( specific to some cultures ).

Among the Tuareg people it is the men who cover up.

 

[Zibago]

Oh wait you meant hijab/niqab and not clothes in general?

That changes things a lot.

Anyway, I still think it should be legally enforced for Muslim women to wear a headscarf at minimum.

Why should your will be imposed on others who arent very religious?

 

[Hamza913]

Why should your will be imposed on others who arent very religious?

Because they are still Muslim. If they don't like Islam, they shouldn't live in an Islamic republic.

 

[Luffy 500]

Right to wear is as important as right not to wear do you have the courage to defend both @Luffy 500 ?

Face veil is NOT an obligation but is part and parcel of islam so as a Muslim I should defend the right of my muslim sisters who choose to wear it whether in a muslim or non-muslim country.

In the same breath I will NOT support the supposed right of women to wear anything they want ( eg. revealing obscene dress) in public in Muslim majority countries where there is justifiably a social and in some cases sharia inspired legal red-lines. Those red lines have to be protected in muslim lands.

In non-muslim countries, I have no problem with a live and let live approach since majority there do not believe in islam and have secular constitutions. Muslims should advocate for their due rights under the constitution while doing dawah and spreading the message of islam.

The right to wear the veil - a sign of virtue, dignity and piety do NOT come in conflict with secular constitution of most western countries, rather anti-veil laws and restrictions are at most times in conflict with western human rights and international law concerning the rights of the individual.

Whereas the right to wear anything one likes including overtly revealing obscene clothes comes in conflict with islamic law and divinely granted human rights that sharia advocates and thus in Muslim majority countries there should be some form of a modest dress code (not necessarily niqab) in public space.

In short, their country their rules and our country our rules and veil perfectly fits in both secular and islamic legal contexts.

Do you agree wearing a Niqab is not compulsory?

Yes complete covering of the face is not compulsory but it is part and parcel of Islam and should a muslim women choose to adopt it, she should be commended, praised and defended by her family and community.

Its very hard for westerner to grasp the idea of a woman willingly will cover her face or hair. They can understand why some men dont want to walk naked in men's shower but whatever reason given they wont accept that woman is willing to cover herself.

That means they are hypocrites and do not even believe in the liberal ideology they themselves advocate. They are not as tolerant as they masquerade to be.

As far as I know Niqab is non-compulsory and all I really knew growing up was that the Prophet's daughter(RA) and wives(RA) wore it. So it is basically a commitment one makes who seeks to emulate the historical religious female figures. Although I never heard about it in Islamic school as a child, it was never taught. Of those overseas that I know that wear it, sometimes it's because of the heat or they get engaged and fiance requests it. Which I think is insecure of those fiance, who are too religious from a cultural standpoint and give less attention to what they should be, which is your values. I also know some who do it because some of the historical important Islamic figures do it.

I don't know why you're focusing on beard OP. Yes it is a Sunnah but you make same mistake very many Muslims make. You think Islam is thriving if people follow Sunnah but not adopt core values of Islam. The core values have to come first, and you educate people on the Sunnah which they can follow. We have to look inwards and rediscover what Allah(SWT) seeks from us. And both 'liberal' Muslims and 'conservative' Muslims have not done so.

EDIT: Meant to spell out fiance and not 'finance'.

Brother Did you watch the video - a muslim women is justifiably & bravely standing up for her due rights under the Dannish constitution. I am talking about the need for muslims to stand up for their core values and beliefs wherever they may be just as this women is doing.

I just gave the example of beard just as an analogy to show the bravery and struggle of our niqab wearing sisters. Its far more easier to have a beard than wear a niqab in today's context - that was my point. By no means was I deriding my fellow brothers who shave their beards. I apologize if any such vibe is given by my post. Peace.

 

[jamahir]

@Luffy 500 , who's the person in your profile-picture??

Secondly, why are you pushing for burqa even when the Saudis have begun talking about it as a cultural and non-Islami element??

 

[PakSword]

I don't think Niqab is compulsory.. but I think covering ones hair is.. Not sure though.. But this is why most of the women living in Islamic countries wear head covering..

But if a lady wants to hide her face, she should be allowed.. not forced.. but if she is asked to show her face to reveal identity in front of the law, she shouldn't demand that she be allowed to keep her face covered..

I know one incident, in which a lady was caught cheating in Karachi board examinations, when her niqab was removed, a boy came out from inside the abaya lollll.. When the management of the examination asked invigilators why he wasn't caught before entering the examination hall, they said that she (actually he) resisted because there were both male and female invigilators in there..