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[American Eagle]

Justice Ministry Liquidates St. Petersburg Human Rights Group

• The Moscow Times
• Apr. 25 2014 22:00
• Last edited 22:00

The Justice Ministry on Friday officially notified ADC Memorial, a St. Petersburg-based human rights organization, of its liquidation for refusing to register itself as a "foreign agent," the organization said in astatementon its website.
The decision marks the latest stage in Russia's crackdown on civil society organizations that has been ongoing since a law was adopted in 2012 obliging non-governmental organizations that receive foreign funding and engage in "political activity" to register as "foreign agents."
In late 2013, St. Petersburg's Leninsky District Court condemned ADC Memorial for its report entitled "Roma, Migrants, Activists: Victims of Police Abuse," which it claimed was meant to "influence decisions of State authorities, change their policies and influencing the public opinion," given that it had been distributed to the Russian delegation of the United Nations Committee Against Torture in November 2012.
ADC Memorial is just one of the Memorial movement's human rights and charity organizations, which are active throughout the former Soviet Union, as well as Germany, France and Italy. Founded in 1989, Memorial strives to preserve the memory of political repression in the former Soviet republics and advocates for human rights throughout the region.

 

[AUz]

@American Eagle

So when is America finally backing down from supporting colonization of weaker peoples? Until then, your objection to Putin remains a joke.

America has been supporting colonization of Palestinian people at the hands of Israel from fifty years. So much so, that ENTIRE world would be on one side---condemning Israel's war-crimes and colonization of Palestine--while America would go against entire world and protect Israel and help them to advance their colonial project.

Putin hasn't even done 10% of what America has been doing since decades.

I fail to see how Americans expect the world to take them seriously anymore?

 

[American Eagle]

@American Eagle

So when is America finally backing down from supporting colonization of weaker peoples? Until then, your objection to Putin remains a joke.

America has been supporting colonization of Palestinian people at the hands of Israel from fifty years. So much so, that ENTIRE world would be on one side---condemning Israel's war-crimes and colonization of Palestine--while America would go against entire world and protect Israel and help them to advance their colonial project.

Putin hasn't even done 10% of what America has been doing since decades.

I fail to see how Americans expect the world to take them seriously anymore?

Since 1947 when UN Resolution 181 dually created to be recognized by all UN member nations... the US has supported the dual states, side by side, of both Israel and Palestine. That same Resolution would make Jerusalem an international city belonging to neither Palestine nor to Israel.

Your misguided, untrue statement about the US colonizing weaker peoples is false. The US has never, under either major political party, Democratic or Republican (and I am a lay or citizen Republican voter myself), has never supported "colonization."

Perhaps you are unable to deal with the fact that violent, hard core terrorist Islam decries and opposes democracy, instead favoring a brutal militarized version they "have invested of Islam" designed to keep the people oppressed, particularly women. The hopes and aspirations of young people are "dead" when and if radical violent lawless Islam is used to rule a village, a province, or a part of any nation anywhere in the world.

You as a young person/a student seem unaware that during WW II the Caliph of the so called Muslim Brotherhood formed one or two divisions of all radical Muslims Divisions which fought as allies with Hitler's Nazi Army against the Western Allies. The Head of the Brotherhood...until he realized Hitler was loosing, moved to Berlin during WW II, where he led and helped develop Jew-hating anti-Semitic propaganda.

You do understand that all Arabss and all Jews are semitically from the same seed, the blood of Abraham?

Thus, your remarks here directed to try to create a connection to Christian Russia's unchristian violent invasion by and with Spetznatz soldiers inside Eastern Ukraine is against all modern International Laws, the UN Charter itself, and the purpose and modern day practice of NATO.

Do you understand that until the Russian invasion of Ukraine both Russia and still Pakistan had Non-Member Status with and in NATO? Russia participated in some NATO exercises. NATO has an economic (positive) purpose as well as a military defense purpose. If Russia had moved or would on itself to join either or both the European Union or NATO the people of Russia and the concept and more honest practice of democracy would bring major peace to Europe, SW Asia, the world as a whole?

You should understand that no one is perfect, referring both the nations and people individually or collectively. The fact we all as nations and people do and should try to do better broadly speaking is to be endorsed and supported globally. That does not involve "colonization" but stabilization of a more democratic attitude among us all.

Since 1947 when UN Resolution 181 dually created to be recognized by all UN member nations... the US has supported the dual states, side by side, of both Israel and Palestine. That same Resolution would make Jerusalem an international city belonging to neither Palestine nor to Israel.

Your misguided, untrue statement about the US colonizing weaker peoples is false. The US has never, under either major political party, Democratic or Republican (and I am a lay or citizen Republican voter myself), has never supported "colonization."

Perhaps you are unable to deal with the fact that violent, hard core terrorist Islam decries and opposes democracy, instead favoring a brutal militarized version they "have invested of Islam" designed to keep the people oppressed, particularly women. The hopes and aspirations of young people are "dead" when and if radical violent lawless Islam is used to rule a village, a province, or a part of any nation anywhere in the world.

You as a young person/a student seem unaware that during WW II the Caliph of the so called Muslim Brotherhood formed one or two divisions of all radical Muslims Divisions which fought as allies with Hitler's Nazi Army against the Western Allies. The Head of the Brotherhood...until he realized Hitler was loosing, moved to Berlin during WW II, where he led and helped develop Jew-hating anti-Semitic propaganda.

You do understand that all Arabss and all Jews are semitically from the same seed, the blood of Abraham?

Thus, your remarks here directed to try to create a connection to Christian Russia's unchristian violent invasion by and with Spetznatz soldiers inside Eastern Ukraine is against all modern International Laws, the UN Charter itself, and the purpose and modern day practice of NATO.

Do you understand that until the Russian invasion of Ukraine both Russia and still Pakistan had Non-Member Status with and in NATO? Russia participated in some NATO exercises. NATO has an economic (positive) purpose as well as a military defense purpose. If Russia had moved or would on itself to join either or both the European Union or NATO the people of Russia and the concept and more honest practice of democracy would bring major peace to Europe, SW Asia, the world as a whole?

You should understand that no one is perfect, referring both the nations and people individually or collectively. The fact we all as nations and people do and should try to do better broadly speaking is to be endorsed and supported globally. That does not involve "colonization" but stabilization of a more democratic attitude among us all.

PS - Read up on the Marshall Plan after WW II and how Japan was positively, not punitively led into today being one of the richest most democratic nations of the FREE world. You do not seem to understand democratic freedoms, instead seeming to support (you) undemocratic oligarchs such as Mr. Putin.

 

[AUz]

Since 1947 when UN Resolution 181 dually created to be recognized by all UN member nations... the US has supported the dual states, side by side, of both Israel and Palestine. That same Resolution would make Jerusalem an international city belonging to neither Palestine nor to Israel.

Yeah, only by 'words'....

Its not about 1948 borders anymore. Its about 1967 borders, and with that, Arabs/world community has already given a huge chunk of Palestine to Israel.

Yet, Israel refuses to go back to 67' borders...and it is continuously colonizing the Palestinian land, property, and people. Moreover, it is building more and more settlements by going against all International Law. And what does U.S do about it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Moreover, it rewards Israel by economic and military co-operation. Moreover, when world community decides to do something about the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine..United States single-handedly vetoes any and every effort of the world community to stop Israeli occupation by diplomatic means.

You tell me with straight face that U.S is not supporting Israel and its colonization? Tell me with straight face that U.S has been 'just' in his treatment of Palestinians and has treated them the same way as it has Israel? Go ahead, and tell me all of that with a straight face.

Your misguided, untrue statement about the US colonizing weaker peoples is false. The US has never, under either major political party, Democratic or Republican (and I am a lay or citizen Republican voter myself), has never supported "colonization."

Yeah sure.

Not only that, U.S has, again and again, toppled elected governments, supported brutal regimes, and has oppressed people's desire just to protect its own selfish corporate interests.

Do you want me to give examples from Latin America, Middle-East and Iran?

Anyways, U.S has been supporting Israel through its illegal occupation of Palestine. That is a well-known fact.

Perhaps you are unable to deal with the fact that violent, hard core terrorist Islam decries and opposes democracy, instead favoring a brutal militarized version they "have invested of Islam" designed to keep the people oppressed, particularly women. The hopes and aspirations of young people are "dead" when and if radical violent lawless Islam is used to rule a village, a province, or a part of any nation anywhere in the world.

For heaven's sake.

The crazy lunatics running around in Al Qaeda etc. have nothing to do with Islam.

They are a product of purely political circumstances.

They use Islam to just recruit people and to justify their violence. At the core of it, they are fighting the Western democracies because they feel humiliated by Western democracies, they feel under attack, and they see the massive exploitation and injustice that has happened to their societies at the hand of West.

For example, take Iran..Iranian *elected* government was over-thrown by America and it was replaced by brutal dictatorship. Iranian Islamic Revolution only came in *reaction* to that.

Who's at fault here? Al Qaeda people are pure savages/animals..and must be dealt with...but do not try to glimpse over the context which gave these animals rise.

As Michael Sheurer, ex-CIA officer, says "Americans forget things easily. People in the Islamic World do not" ...

You as a young person/a student seem unaware that during WW II the Caliph of the so called Muslim Brotherhood formed one or two divisions of all radical Muslims Divisions which fought as allies with Hitler's Nazi Army against the Western Allies. The Head of the Brotherhood...until he realized Hitler was loosing, moved to Berlin during WW II, where he led and helped develop Jew-hating anti-Semitic propaganda.

Are you talking about Hajji al amin? I am aware of him. As far as I know, he wasn't any caliph of Muslim Brotherhood..but was a grand imam of Palestine...and that too, appointed by the British Empire against the wishes of local Muslim recommendation committee.

And if that's not what you are talking about, then I'll like to know who are you talking about. Lastly, ALOT of people sided with Hitler..not because of his killings of jews..majority of people didn't even know about the holocaust happening unless after the war...People sided with Hitler because he was fighting the 'colonizers' of many people (British, France etc)...

You do understand that all Arabss and all Jews are semitically from the same seed, the blood of Abraham?

I totally do understand that.

I have nothing against Jews...Why you brought that up though?

. You do not seem to understand democratic freedoms, instead seeming to support (you) undemocratic oligarchs such as Mr. Putin.

In other threads, you will see me arguing and debating with Pakstanis and trying to educate them that why America is still wayyyy better than Putin and how Putin is worse than U.S etc.

So, who told you that I support Putin?

I fully understand that America, with all its faults, is a free, democratic, and a diverse dynamic country..A way, way better candidate to lead the world than a man like Putin and a country like Soviet Union/Russia.

My point here is just to show you that how America doesn't have any moral ground to call out Putin's violations of International Law...because America itself has been an aggressive power through the past half-century and has broken International Law several times.

Moreover, it explicitly protects Israel who has been breaking International Laws again and again and again. Yet America protects Israeli colonization of Palestine.

These are all well-known facts.

 

[American Eagle]

Since you are self documenting using your opinions about your opinions why even comment here since you deal in only your self opinions vs. facts.

You never heard of the President Jimmy Carter won treaty between Israel, Egypt, and Jordan, as but one factual example of peaceful progress.

Back to the Russian internationally illegal invasion of Ukraine, Mr. Putin has to go. See what you can do about that.

And along the way learn your world history correctly. The old regimes of anti-existence in any way, shape or form governments of Nasser et al INVADED but lost their war of aggression wherein they foolishly thought they could defeat Israel.

That cost them changed borders as Israle pushed the invaders back and stopped and stand today where they stopped in pushing back violent hateful Islamic radical invaders.

But, since you don't know it all, I and many Americans for the right terms to settle peacefully secure and safe borders for both Israel, which has suffered repeated Arab invasions, would and do favor a return to the original, pre-1967 War against Israel borders.

Noting your Pakistan to America flags, have you become a US citizen yet?

 

[American Eagle]

Yeah, only by 'words'....

Its not about 1948 borders anymore. Its about 1967 borders, and with that, Arabs/world community has already given a huge chunk of Palestine to Israel.

Yet, Israel refuses to go back to 67' borders...and it is continuously colonizing the Palestinian land, property, and people. Moreover, it is building more and more settlements by going against all International Law. And what does U.S do about it? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Moreover, it rewards Israel by economic and military co-operation. Moreover, when world community decides to do something about the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine..United States single-handedly vetoes any and every effort of the world community to stop Israeli occupation by diplomatic means.

You tell me with straight face that U.S is not supporting Israel and its colonization? Tell me with straight face that U.S has been 'just' in his treatment of Palestinians and has treated them the same way as it has Israel? Go ahead, and tell me all of that with a straight face.



Yeah sure.

Not only that, U.S has, again and again, toppled elected governments, supported brutal regimes, and has oppressed people's desire just to protect its own selfish corporate interests.

Do you want me to give examples from Latin America, Middle-East and Iran?

Anyways, U.S has been supporting Israel through its illegal occupation of Palestine. That is a well-known fact.



For heaven's sake.

The crazy lunatics running around in Al Qaeda etc. have nothing to do with Islam.

They are a product of purely political circumstances.

They use Islam to just recruit people and to justify their violence. At the core of it, they are fighting the Western democracies because they feel humiliated by Western democracies, they feel under attack, and they see the massive exploitation and injustice that has happened to their societies at the hand of West.

For example, take Iran..Iranian *elected* government was over-thrown by America and it was replaced by brutal dictatorship. Iranian Islamic Revolution only came in *reaction* to that.

Who's at fault here? Al Qaeda people are pure savages/animals..and must be dealt with...but do not try to glimpse over the context which gave these animals rise.

As Michael Sheurer, ex-CIA officer, says "Americans forget things easily. People in the Islamic World do not" ...



Are you talking about Hajji al amin? I am aware of him. As far as I know, he wasn't any caliph of Muslim Brotherhood..but was a grand imam of Palestine...and that too, appointed by the British Empire against the wishes of local Muslim recommendation committee.

And if that's not what you are talking about, then I'll like to know who are you talking about. Lastly, ALOT of people sided with Hitler..not because of his killings of jews..majority of people didn't even know about the holocaust happening unless after the war...People sided with Hitler because he was fighting the 'colonizers' of many people (British, France etc)...



I totally do understand that.

I have nothing against Jews...Why you brought that up though?



In other threads, you will see me arguing and debating with Pakstanis and trying to educate them that why America is still wayyyy better than Putin and how Putin is worse than U.S etc.

So, who told you that I support Putin?

I fully understand that America, with all its faults, is a free, democratic, and a diverse dynamic country..A way, way better candidate to lead the world than a man like Putin and a country like Soviet Union/Russia.

My point here is just to show you that how America doesn't have any moral ground to call out Putin's violations of International Law...because America itself has been an aggressive power through the past half-century and has broken International Law several times.

Moreover, it explicitly protects Israel who has been breaking International Laws again and again and again. Yet America protects Israeli colonization of Palestine.

These are all well-known facts.

The lunatics of al Qaida are in fact all about Islam, as they have bastardized a faith system whose credo until al Qaida came along (as well as the Taliban) was "peace."

PS - Here is the topic of this thread, which you have ignored. You are very much off subject in fact, with no facts to boot!

Justice Ministry Liquidates St. Petersburg Human Rights Group

• The Moscow Times
• Apr. 25 2014 22:00
• Last edited 22:00

The Justice Ministry on Friday officially notified ADC Memorial, a St. Petersburg-based human rights organization, of its liquidation for refusing to register itself as a "foreign agent," the organization said in astatementon its website.

The decision marks the latest stage in Russia's crackdown on civil society organizations that has been ongoing since a law was adopted in 2012 obliging non-governmental organizations that receive foreign funding and engage in "political activity" to register as "foreign agents."

In late 2013, St. Petersburg's Leninsky District Court condemned ADC Memorial for its report entitled "Roma, Migrants, Activists: Victims of Police Abuse," which it claimed was meant to "influence decisions of State authorities, change their policies and influencing the public opinion," given that it had been distributed to the Russian delegation of the United Nations Committee Against Torture in November 2012.

ADC Memorial is just one of the Memorial movement's human rights and charity organizations, which are active throughout the former Soviet Union, as well as Germany, France and Italy. Founded in 1989, Memorial strives to preserve the memory of political repression in the former Soviet republics and advocates for human rights throughout the region.

 

[AUz]

@American Eagle

My comments were in-line.

America supports and perpetuates colonialism throughout the world. Has been doing it for decades now. Helps and protects Israeli colonialism, which has been destroying Palestinians for decades on.

So America holds no moral authority to cry over Putin's actions. When America does that, it only makes itself look like a tool.

Anyways, you have failed to respond to that so I'd assume that even you, inside your heart, know that Israel is a colonial power colonizing Palestinians and America fully backs and even helps its colonialism.

 

[Sergi]

@American Eagle from post#5

Back to the Russian internationally illegal invasion of Ukraine, Mr. Putin has to go. See what you can do about that.

What & How


@WebMaster @Oscar : please give this guy a sticky thread. He is flooding section with Ukraine threads

 

[American Eagle]

Sergi, as I wrote earlier this week when you attempted to demean and ignore the most serious economic and war causing threat in today's world, you are just bothered because the facts keep adding up to make more and more plain that Russia under Putin has taken a turn for the worse. Putin's actions are a plain and visible violent, revolutionary effort to defy international law, the UN, and treaties to do as Putin-led Russia pleases in the same manner as when Hitler was starting out in his increasingly dictatorial rule.

Allegedly some say today's Russians who didn't live under and thru the worst of the old USSR day, including when the USSR openly allied with Hitler in 1939 to grab it's half of Poland...want a fictional "guaranteed life and income" believing such a good life existed before under he USSR for retirees.

Let me suggest that modern Russia still has a national pension plan for those age 50. To me as a person who has worked since I was a boy for pocket money until now, age 74, still part time as a businessman, this is bad public policy and creates and is creating today part of the economic havoc which Russia faces whenever it's national economy is down, as it is. Russia in the most recent economic Quarter barely "broke even" with perhaps less than 1% growth.

Modern day India is becoming one of the top four economic performers in the whole Free World. This young Mr. Sergi, the pro-Russian advocate of Putin and his breaking of international law and human rights internally inside Russia, and would be outside Russia in Ukraine, perhaps he should have a pro-Communist sticky thread of his own?

Sergi, please read this Friday, May 9,2014 WASHINGTON POST clip and you might learn a few facts you currently seem unable to see or understand:

Why has Mr. Putin caused all this bloodshed and trouble when before he had a peaceful working production relationship with Ukraine with these contracted out items being manufactured in a free enterprise for profit system for Russia inside sovereign Ukraine?

(Gene Thorp / The Washington Post)

 

[nForce]

Sergi, as I wrote earlier this week when you attempted to demean and ignore the most serious economic and war causing threat in today's world, you are just bothered because the facts keep adding up to make more and more plain that Russia under Putin has taken a turn for the worse. Putin's actions are a plain and visible violent, revolutionary effort to defy international law, the UN, and treaties to do as Putin-led Russia pleases in the same manner as when Hitler was starting out in his increasingly dictatorial rule.

Allegedly some say today's Russians who didn't live under and thru the worst of the old USSR day, including when the USSR openly allied with Hitler in 1939 to grab it's half of Poland...want a fictional "guaranteed life and income" believing such a good life existed before under he USSR for retirees.

Let me suggest that modern Russia still has a national pension plan for those age 50. To me as a person who has worked since I was a boy for pocket money until now, age 74, still part time as a businessman, this is bad public policy and creates and is creating today part of the economic havoc which Russia faces whenever it's national economy is down, as it is. Russia in the most recent economic Quarter barely "broke even" with perhaps less than 1% growth.

Modern day India is becoming one of the top four economic performers in the whole Free World. This young Mr. Sergi, the pro-Russian advocate of Putin and his breaking of international law and human rights internally inside Russia, and would be outside Russia in Ukraine, perhaps he should have a pro-Communist sticky thread of his own?

Sergi, please read this Friday, May 9,2014 WASHINGTON POST clip and you might learn a few facts you currently seem unable to see or understand:

Why has Mr. Putin caused all this bloodshed and trouble when before he had a peaceful working production relationship with Ukraine with these contracted out items being manufactured in a free enterprise for profit system for Russia inside sovereign Ukraine?

(Gene Thorp / The Washington Post)

Russia is invading Ukraine for oil and fissile material, US did that for oil. If one is right, then by the same logic how can the other be wrong ?

 

[Chak Bamu]

@American Eagle, sir the map provided by yourself in post #9 is an excellent demonstration of reasons why outside powers would want to create trouble and animosity in the region of Russian influence.

There is instability and war-like atmosphere, because it suits strategic objectives crafted at Washington, not Moscow. I have seen this situation developing over time and support to demonstrators in Kiev from BBC and CNN was a sure-shot sign of what was actually driving the dynamics of instability.

 

[American Eagle]

You are too young, perhaps not born yet when the USSR invaded your neighbor, Afghanistan, which then had a benevolent King ruling there.

There is no rational reason or business reason on the face of the earth to support your thought process.

Inverse thinking does not get you a good ally in Russia which is as an economy near "taking."

I would give you E for Effort to try to look at the issue from all angles, but this is unhappily for you an obtuse triangle that doesn't exist.

 

[American Eagle]

Russia is invading Ukraine for oil and fissile material, US did that for oil. If one is right, then by the same logic how can the other be wrong ?

If we taken your premise on it's face, Russia already is #2, even perhaps #1 if we consider unproved as yet oil and gas reserves all over and within Russia proper.

Obviously THE WASHINGTON POST thinks that 20% of it's uranium coming from Ukraine is critical to Russia atomic power plants and atomic powered Russian ships.

But here again Russia has lots of Uranium and the unanswerable question now is how large might Russia's unproven uranium supply be?

This largely leaves missiles and missiles related guidance and technology systems. Under US and Russian Arms Reduction Treaties from the late 1980s, early 1990s Russia has been or supposed to have been dismantling and reducing atomic weaponry, verifiably, with US and allied open inspections allowed under that specific Treaty for all time to come.

The US, to bring all readers here up to date, even with our squabbling over the Canadian to Houston, Texas refineries transcontinental oil lines, has open up the taps and dug new oil and gas wells to the point that we, the US, if we stopped exporting to the rest of the world yesterday would be 100% self sufficient, and building a huge oil and gas reserve "Yesterday."

Prior US foreign policy on oil and gas lacked the degree, level and huge new finds of oil and natural gas across the USA when the old foreign policy was to "protect" our and allied oil and gas sources in the Middle East.

But, we owe it to our friends and allies, which definitely includes the major oil and gas producers in the Middle East to help protect THEIR oil and gas supplies both for their internal use AND for the benefit of our friends and allies, worldwide.

The Iraq War had several basic reasons, listed heretofore in the form of passed but violated/ignored numerous UN Resolutions "against" Iraq.

Here is a list of Saddam Hussein violations of UN Resolutions, to include and the big three reasons for the allied invasion of Saddam's Treaty breaking nation, wherein Saddam was in the process of slaughtering the Marsh People in the south of and inside Iraq and in the North the Kurds inside of and a part of Iraq. If you choose to "discount" weapons of mass destruction, you need to understand that the several UN Violations regarding Iraq still building and having for use certain types of missiles with warhead capabilities ARE included in the weapons of mass destruction definition, often overlooked by those who want to blame the world's problems on the West and the US:

Portal:United Nations Security Council Resolutions
The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) is the organ of the United Nations charged with maintaining peace and security among nations. While other organs of the United Nations only make recommendations to member governments, the Security Council has the power to make decisions which member governments are obliged to carry out under the United Nations Charter. The decisions of the Council are known as United Nations Security Council Resolutions.

There have been three major events in Iraq's history for which the UN has passed numerous resolutions: the Iran–Iraq War, the Persian Gulf War, and the Iraq disarmament crisis leading up to and following the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Iraq related resolutions[edit]
ResolutionDateVoteConcerns
47928 September 1980UnanimousNoted the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War.
51412 July 1982UnanimousCalled for an end to the Iran–Iraq War.
5224 October 1982UnanimousCalled for an end to the Iran–Iraq War.
54031 October 198312-0-3Condemned violations of international law in the Iran–Iraq War.
58224 February 1986Unanimous"Deplores" the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War.
5888 October 1986UnanimousCalled for the implementation of resolution 582.
59820 July 1987UnanimousDemanded an immediate cease-fire between Iran and Iraq; requested that the UN Secretary-General start an investigation to determine how the conflict started.
6129 May 1988Condemned the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War, but did not single out Iraq as the only side to use them. Instead, the resolution said that the Security Council, "Expects both sides to refrain from the future use of chemical weapons."
6199 August 1988Created UNIIMOG to observe the implementation of a cease-fire for the Iran–Iraq War. Extended by resolutions 631, 642, 651, 671,676 and 685. Terminated 28 February 1991.
62026 August 1988Condemned the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War.
6602 August 199014-0-1,YemenabstainingCondemned the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and demanded a withdrawal of Iraqi troops. Supported by resolutions 662, 664, 665, 666,667, 669, 670, 674, and 677.
6616 August 199013-0-2;Cuba, YemenPlaced economic sanctions on Iraq in response to the invasion of Kuwait.
67829 November 199012-2-1Authorized use of force against Iraq to "uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area".
6862 March 199111-1-3Demanded Iraq's acceptance of all previous resolutions concerning the war with Kuwait.
6873 April 199112-1-2Formal ceasefire ending the Persian Gulf War, with the conditions that Iraq:

• Destroys all of its chemical and biological weapons and all ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 km;
• Agrees not to develop nuclear weapons;
• Submits a declaration of its weapons programs and voluntarily agrees to on-site inspections.

6885 April 1991Condemned the repression of Iraqi Kurds.
70715 August 1991Demands immediate, complete, full compliance with UNSCR 687.
71511 October 1991Approves United Nations Special Commission on Iraq and International Atomic Energy Agency inspection provisions.
83327 May 1993Acknowledges clarifications of Iraq-Kuwait border and United Nations Iraq-Kuwait Observation Mission (UNIKOM).
8994 March 1994Compensation payments to Iraqi private citizens whose assets remained on Kuwaiti territory following the demarcation of the Iraq-Kuwait border.
94915 October 1994Condemned the Iraqi military buildup on Kuwaiti border.
98614 April 1995Created the Oil-for-Food Programme. Supported by resolution 1111.
105127 March 1996UnanimousCreated a mechanism to monitor Iraqi "dual use" import and exports.
106012 June 1996UnanimousDemands Iraq allow access to sites, weapons, transport and equipment by United Nations Special Commission weapons inspectors.
128417 December 199911-0-4Changed the Iraqi inspection program from UNSCOM to UNMOVIC.
14418 November 2002UnanimousGave Iraq "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations". After Hans Blix of UNMOVIC reported to the UN on 7 March 2003, the US, UK, and other members of the "coalition of the willing" declared that Iraq remained in material breach of resolution 687. Efforts aimed at a new Council resolution authorizing the invasion were aborted owing to resistance from other members of the Council including veto-wielding members. Iraq was invaded anyway, on 20 March.
148322 May 200314-0-1,SyriaabstainingRecognized the US and the UK as occupying powers under international law, with legitimate authority in Iraq. Removed economic sanctions imposed during the Gulf War.
150014 August 200314-0-1, Syria abstainingCreated the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq as a special representative of the UN Secretary General. Extended by resolutions 1557, 1619, and 1700.
15468 June 2004UnanimousEndorsed the dissolution of the Coalition Provisional Authority in favor of the Iraqi Interim Government as a step toward democracy.
172318 November 2006UnanimousExtended the mandate for Multinational Force Iraq until 31 December 2007.
179018 December 2007Extended the mandate for Multinational Force Iraq until 31 December 2008.

 

[nForce]

If we taken your premise on it's face, Russia already is #2, even perhaps #1 if we consider unproved as yet oil and gas reserves all over and within Russia proper.

Obviously THE WASHINGTON POST thinks that 20% of it's uranium coming from Ukraine is critical to Russia atomic power plants and atomic powered Russian ships.

But here again Russia has lots of Uranium and the unanswerable question now is how large might Russia's unproven uranium supply be?

This largely leaves missiles and missiles related guidance and technology systems. Under US and Russian Arms Reduction Treaties from the late 1980s, early 1990s Russia has been or supposed to have been dismantling and reducing atomic weaponry, verifiably, with US and allied open inspections allowed under that specific Treaty for all time to come.

The US, to bring all readers here up to date, even with our squabbling over the Canadian to Houston, Texas refineries transcontinental oil lines, has open up the taps and dug new oil and gas wells to the point that we, the US, if we stopped exporting to the rest of the world yesterday would be 100% self sufficient, and building a huge oil and gas reserve "Yesterday."

Prior US foreign policy on oil and gas lacked the degree, level and huge new finds of oil and natural gas across the USA when the old foreign policy was to "protect" our and allied oil and gas sources in the Middle East.

But, we owe it to our friends and allies, which definitely includes the major oil and gas producers in the Middle East to help protect THEIR oil and gas supplies both for their internal use AND for the benefit of our friends and allies, worldwide.

The Iraq War had several basic reasons, listed heretofore in the form of passed but violated/ignored numerous UN Resolutions "against" Iraq.

Here is a list of Saddam Hussein violations of UN Resolutions, to include and the big three reasons for the allied invasion of Saddam's Treaty breaking nation, wherein Saddam was in the process of slaughtering the Marsh People in the south of and inside Iraq and in the North the Kurds inside of and a part of Iraq. If you choose to "discount" weapons of mass destruction, you need to understand that the several UN Violations regarding Iraq still building and having for use certain types of missiles with warhead capabilities ARE included in the weapons of mass destruction definition, often overlooked by those who want to blame the world's problems on the West and the US:

Portal:United Nations Security Council Resolutions
The United Nations Security Council (UNSC) is the organ of the United Nations charged with maintaining peace and security among nations. While other organs of the United Nations only make recommendations to member governments, the Security Council has the power to make decisions which member governments are obliged to carry out under the United Nations Charter. The decisions of the Council are known as United Nations Security Council Resolutions.

There have been three major events in Iraq's history for which the UN has passed numerous resolutions: the Iran–Iraq War, the Persian Gulf War, and the Iraq disarmament crisis leading up to and following the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Iraq related resolutions[edit]
ResolutionDateVoteConcerns
47928 September 1980UnanimousNoted the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War.
51412 July 1982UnanimousCalled for an end to the Iran–Iraq War.
5224 October 1982UnanimousCalled for an end to the Iran–Iraq War.
54031 October 198312-0-3Condemned violations of international law in the Iran–Iraq War.
58224 February 1986Unanimous"Deplores" the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War.
5888 October 1986UnanimousCalled for the implementation of resolution 582.
59820 July 1987UnanimousDemanded an immediate cease-fire between Iran and Iraq; requested that the UN Secretary-General start an investigation to determine how the conflict started.
6129 May 1988Condemned the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War, but did not single out Iraq as the only side to use them. Instead, the resolution said that the Security Council, "Expects both sides to refrain from the future use of chemical weapons."
6199 August 1988Created UNIIMOG to observe the implementation of a cease-fire for the Iran–Iraq War. Extended by resolutions 631, 642, 651, 671,676 and 685. Terminated 28 February 1991.
62026 August 1988Condemned the use of chemical weapons in the Iran–Iraq War.
6602 August 199014-0-1,YemenabstainingCondemned the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and demanded a withdrawal of Iraqi troops. Supported by resolutions 662, 664, 665, 666,667, 669, 670, 674, and 677.
6616 August 199013-0-2;Cuba, YemenPlaced economic sanctions on Iraq in response to the invasion of Kuwait.
67829 November 199012-2-1Authorized use of force against Iraq to "uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area".
6862 March 199111-1-3Demanded Iraq's acceptance of all previous resolutions concerning the war with Kuwait.
6873 April 199112-1-2Formal ceasefire ending the Persian Gulf War, with the conditions that Iraq:

• Destroys all of its chemical and biological weapons and all ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 km;
• Agrees not to develop nuclear weapons;
• Submits a declaration of its weapons programs and voluntarily agrees to on-site inspections.

6885 April 1991Condemned the repression of Iraqi Kurds.
70715 August 1991Demands immediate, complete, full compliance with UNSCR 687.
71511 October 1991Approves United Nations Special Commission on Iraq and International Atomic Energy Agency inspection provisions.
83327 May 1993Acknowledges clarifications of Iraq-Kuwait border and United Nations Iraq-Kuwait Observation Mission (UNIKOM).
8994 March 1994Compensation payments to Iraqi private citizens whose assets remained on Kuwaiti territory following the demarcation of the Iraq-Kuwait border.
94915 October 1994Condemned the Iraqi military buildup on Kuwaiti border.
98614 April 1995Created the Oil-for-Food Programme. Supported by resolution 1111.
105127 March 1996UnanimousCreated a mechanism to monitor Iraqi "dual use" import and exports.
106012 June 1996UnanimousDemands Iraq allow access to sites, weapons, transport and equipment by United Nations Special Commission weapons inspectors.
128417 December 199911-0-4Changed the Iraqi inspection program from UNSCOM to UNMOVIC.
14418 November 2002UnanimousGave Iraq "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations". After Hans Blix of UNMOVIC reported to the UN on 7 March 2003, the US, UK, and other members of the "coalition of the willing" declared that Iraq remained in material breach of resolution 687. Efforts aimed at a new Council resolution authorizing the invasion were aborted owing to resistance from other members of the Council including veto-wielding members. Iraq was invaded anyway, on 20 March.
148322 May 200314-0-1,SyriaabstainingRecognized the US and the UK as occupying powers under international law, with legitimate authority in Iraq. Removed economic sanctions imposed during the Gulf War.
150014 August 200314-0-1, Syria abstainingCreated the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq as a special representative of the UN Secretary General. Extended by resolutions 1557, 1619, and 1700.
15468 June 2004UnanimousEndorsed the dissolution of the Coalition Provisional Authority in favor of the Iraqi Interim Government as a step toward democracy.
172318 November 2006UnanimousExtended the mandate for Multinational Force Iraq until 31 December 2007.
179018 December 2007Extended the mandate for Multinational Force Iraq until 31 December 2008.

At first, let me thank you for such an informative post.

I speak from a neutral point of view, and the way I see it, everybody has his fair share of hegemony and justifications are seem valid as long as they are catering to a particular perspective.

My objection is regarding the use of war as a tool to fight differences in opinion.

Talking about Iraq, lets say that we keep the WMD part aside, for the reality is out in the open now and nothing new is going to come up from beating that dead horse.I also understand the Saddam Hussain was a cruel and ruthless military dictator and he has committed many unforgivable crimes against the humanity. We need to look beyond that.Its the same Saddam Hussain whom the US had no problems to supply arms before.His intentions were quite clear even then.Its just that, at that point of time, supplying arms to him served US interests.Iran is also an oil rich nation and supplies oil to many parts of the World.But US did not object when Iraq was fighting Iran..not at all..
Its when, Iraq attacked Kuwait, a small country with many US companies operating from there, then the US decided to name Iraq as a evil country..I can keep citing similar such examples, it will be a long and rather boring post that way.The point is, US attacked Iraq because of human rights violations by Saddam is nothing but a bluff, for Saddam had been at it for quite long, even when US was friendly with Iraq.

Next, lets talk about sanctions.Severe forms of economic sanctions and trade embargoes were applied on Iraq prior to toppling Saddam.Even medical supplies were stopped and that resulted in the death of thousands in Iraq.Is it not wrong ? It the common Iraqi people who suffered.If gassing the Kurd population was an act of genocide, then in my opinion, stopping the medical supplies also falls under the same category, its just more systematic.Two wrong does not make one right.

US invades Iraq, and thousands are killed, many more are getting killed till this date due to a situation which has been created by the invasion.After all this, is it not justified to ask, who asked US to create all this mess in the first place ? I still remember, Saddam had come down to Washington to talk peace terms with Bush Jr. a day or two before war was eventually declared.If peace was given a chance, then many lives could have been saved.But Bush Jr. decided to go ahead with war.If that is not war-mongering then what is ?
Recent history is full of such examples of war-mongering by US.I will not go through each and every one in this post now.

Now, conclusion..No matter, what US wants the World to think, people will have their own opinions.One such opinion is, US has the habit of poking their nose almost anywhere and everywhere, in order to have their influence, which is not at all wrong..Well, the Soviets did the same thing before.Now we have the Russians, old wine in new bottle, trying the same thing,i.e to create their own sphere of influence and control.So, people perceive that US objection to Russian activities in Ukraine is nothing but an act to stop Russia from spreading their influence and instead having their own.
US, trying to help the Ukrainian common people-- nobody is going to buy it, even many of the Americans..

 

[American Eagle]

"Its when, Iraq attacked Kuwait, a small country with many US companies operating from there..."

1. Saddam invaded both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, two nations.

2. You are very polite in your choice of words but you are rehashing a point of view that the whole UN did not agree with, if you will re-read the list of UN violations.

So, if you can move past rehashing old facts, what we are all faced with is radical Islam, terrorists and terrorism.

In Ukraine, I myself have learned facts and figures from THE MOSCOW TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, and other publications I research currently, copy and paste into my commentary on this good site. So I am not an old pretentious I always knew this commenter here. Much of what we all can and should be learning is just now more clearly surfaced for public view.

The tough war between Iraq and Iran was between two different sects of Islam, nothing more nothing less. THe US did side with Iraq and Saddam until he got out of line and used WMD, particularly poison gas, on both the Iranians and his own internal dissidents who suffered repression under Saddam the Kurds and the marsh people in the South of Iraq.

All that said let me share again with you what I believe from both my own life's experience of 31 years as a commissioned officer (6 active duty, including 18 months inside Pakistan) and 25 in the USAF at the Assistant Chief of Staff (as a Reservist) level:

Our/my Holy Bible teaches me that there will sadly always be wars and rumors of war.

That is a tough fact. But that said as to how and what I personally believe we all still can strive to lessen and downplay war.
Sanctions did not work with Iraq because many greedy nations, European and non-European did forbidden trade with Iraq which allowed it to keep up it's arms race and militarism, used internally against his own people who sought a peaceful life as Iraquis if Saddam had treated them as decent human beings.

All the propaganda about who shot John does not solve anything.

All this said Russia today is not the USSR militarily of yesterday. Russia until one year ago was like the US on a military downsizing course with focus on development and use of primarily small special forces. This said Russia admitted to it's initial lies that it did not use Russian troops to seize Crimea. Russia now admits this point blank.

Not meaning to be rude to you personally but many of us "old timers" having been in and lived through various wars, flare ups, what have you, have no patience with those who exaggerate, make up, and ignore the hard reality of radical Islam in parts of the world today, a real curse to all mankind.

Pakistan all it's existence relies most heavily, always, on US and Western military hardware. Pakistan never sought nor used heavily either Chinese nor USSR military hardware, nor is that the case today.

Life there, and here in the West, in the US, is complex.

But when either to me a nut case, Saddam, seeks to re-establish a new Caliphate, which he publicly claimed he was about when he invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, we he destabilizes the free world's oil and gas supplies and damages the world's environment by torching hundreds of oil and gas wells, we really don't have time for polite day dreaming for hidden meanings that aren't there.

You nor anyone else reading my comments now are not ever a robot of the West, politically speaking. But you have so many internal problems not solved inside Pakistan, compared to the whopping economic success inside India, that you need all the constructive help you can get from the whole world. And getting help does not require resentment. If Pakistan and it's good people can reform and manufacture, have 24/7 power needs for the people, industry, commerce, etc. more power to you.

Your note is polite but your facts are way off base. Have a good weekend.

PS - I was born the day Hitler invaded Poland. Hitler and Stalin (USSR) had a secret pact and divided Poland, "the spoils of war." This should be taught in every public school in the world, while and as modern Russia celebrates victory over the Nazis in May every year.