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Theresa May: Skripals "were poisoned with a military grade nerve agent developed by Russia"

giving Putin a Yeltsin Boot out may become overwhelming.

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Putin has a worried look nowadays. It's not about the "election", of course...
Oh, we have Nostradamus here! But, I must say, your analitics about Russia still better than that of CNN, BBC etc. You at least try to think logically. I'll try to remember your words to remind it in a year or two.
 
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We can stay in the UNSC after the USA and Britain leave. Then it will be China, Russia and France as permanent veto members and still the rest of the world will remain as regular UN members.
The French just joined in the condemnation. So other than Russia, China would need seven of the non-permanent members of the UNSC to remain in order for the UNSC to remain functioning. Of the current lineup, Poland, The Netherlands, and Kuwait are sure to follow the U.S. and Britain and Ivory Coast will adhere to France. That's all that's needed to deny a quorum.
 
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Oh, it's so much worse than that:
Haley: UN Security Council 'Will Not Survive' if Russia Not Held Accountable for UK Poison Attack

You know what that means, right? No UNSC means the elimination of Russia's most powerful tool of diplomatic leverage, its power to veto condemnations of its satellites and allies. There are other tools, of course, but Russia is far weaker that the West is when it comes to exercising them.


Trump is a guy who regularly cuts his losses by throwing out incompetents, bypassing red tape, and disrupting existing bureaucratic structures. His willingness to exceed "normal" limits gives him tremendous flexibility. So he could really do this.



Do you take her seriously?

Chill and have a laugh mate.



 
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The French just joined in the condemnation. So other than Russia, China would need seven of the non-permanent members of the UNSC to remain in order for the UNSC to remain functioning. Of the current lineup, Poland, The Netherlands, and Kuwait are sure to follow the U.S. and Britain and Ivory Coast will adhere to France. That's all that's needed to deny a quorum.

The UN comprises basically all of the nations of the world.

If a handful leave, their seats will be taken by others, who will no doubt be very happy to seize that opportunity.
 
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Is it just me or there is a general consensus and feeling that America will not gone down without taking the rest of the world with it? Kinda Nawaz Shareef mentality, its either me or nothing.

At least, give credit where due. The Russians didn't blow the rest of the world, and press the red button in anger, when their soviet union crumbled.
 
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The UN comprises basically all of the nations of the world.

If a handful leave, their seats will be taken by others, who will no doubt be very happy to seize that opportunity.

I actually said when America was embarrassed over Jerusalem voting that its time to move UN HQ from NY to say Shanghai or Moscow. Its seems America itself want to abolish the UN and cant take the affront as adult, rather spoiled child.

If my memory serve, the WW2 started after the collapse of League of the nations. WW1 started after the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was assassinated. And like past, the Zionist scumbags are at it again. It almost like history repeating itself.

Everyone needs to be on their toes, so there are no surprises. America needs to be contained, its links with international terrorism needs to be brought up forcefully and relentlessly. America must be cornered for the sake of peace in the world.

If trump wants to build a wall, lets help him build a wall all around America, where he can watch his "world series" baseball matches while having pop corn, while the rest of the world move on.
 
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Is it just me or there is a general consensus and feeling that America will not gone down without taking the rest of the world with it? Kinda Nawaz Shareef mentality, its either me or nothing.

At least, give credit where due. The Russians didn't blow the rest of the world, and press the red button in anger, when their soviet union crumbled.
The ussr was created by zionist forces...
 
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It seems to me that it is time for the Anglo-Saxons to throw aside all these fake reasons and speak directly every time: "Russia delenda est".
 
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And if you look here prime minister you see will some Russian trolls in their natural habitat.
 
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The collective cries by the westerners is music to my ears. You did a wonderful job Russia. :smitten:
 
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Interesting point raised by Russian ambassador to UN. Apparently only official way to prove the guilty party is through bringing the sample into chemical weapon prevention organisation in Hague and jointly investigate the matter. Russians are open to it, I think UK government should follow this path.

 
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Will Russia Wake Up? The West Seeks Its Destruction

"The Russian government simply does not understand that Washington regards Russian appeals to diplomacy, law, facts, evidence, as signs of extreme weakness and lack of confidence"

Paul Craig Roberts

Russians are having a difficult time comprehending their Western enemy or even understanding that Russia has an enemy that seeks the destruction of Russia.

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Has it occured to Russia that it is very strange that the UK, a country of no military significance, a country that could be completely destroyed forever in a few minutes by Russia, would concoct false charges against the Russian government, announce these charges publicly without providing any evidence whatsoever, bring the unsupported charges to the UN, issue an ultimatum to Russia, dispell Russian diplomats and seize Russian assets on the basis of mere allegations, all the while refusing any evidence and any cooperation with Russia, as required by law, in the investigation of the charges?

Russians, both government, media and youth brainwashed by American propaganda and the Washington-funded NGOS that the Russian government permits to operate against itself in Russia, seem to think that the many accusations and threats issued against Russia are some kind of mistake that can be rectified by recourse to evidence and law. Apparently, after all these years the Russians still do not understand that Washington and its vassals have no interest whatsoever in facts or law.

At the UN the Russian ambassador, in response to the evidence-free accusation by the UK prime minister that the Russian government had used a military-grade nerve agent to attempt to kill two people on an English park bench, went through all the legal reasons, including the requirement of collaboration with Russia in examining the evidence, to establish that the UK accusation was in violation of law and unsupported by any evidence.

Why do the Russians think the British government cares a hoot about law or evidence? Are the Russians really this brainwashed about the West?

The British government of Tony Blair cooperated with the George W. Bush regime in propagating the lie that Saddam Hussein in Iraq had “weapons of mass destruction.” This lie was used to invade and to destroy Iraq and to leave the country 15 years later in chaos.

The British goverment also supported the lies about Gadaffi in Libya and participated in overthrowing the Libyan government. The British government also supported the lie that Iran had a nuclear weapons program. There was never any evidence, but evidence was of no interest. An agenda was in motion, and the agenda was independent of evidence.

Although the British Parliament voted down British participation in Obama’s planned invasion of Syria, the current British government supports the lie that Assad is using chemical weapons “against his own people.”

By now one would think that Russians, both government, media, and public, would understand that all the West is capable of is to lie. The purpose of the lies is to demonize Russia and to set up Russia for military attack.

But somehow Russians can’t get the message. Russians think it is all some kind of mistake that facts and legal processes and diplomacy can clear up. “Please just listen to us, we can clear up all the misconceptions!” As if the West cares. Washington wants “the misconceptions.” That is why Washington creates them.

The inability of Russians to understand the West, which Russia stupidly wants to join, is the reason that World War 3 is near at hand.

What if, instead of reciting the legal process and the law governing it that the UK PM refused to follow before publicly accusing Russia without the presentation of any evidence, The Russian UN Ambassador had simply said: “If the UK exists tomorrow, it will be due entirely to the forbearance of the Russian government.”

By relying on law, about which no Western country gives a hoot, the Russian UN ambassador permitted Washington’s French puppet and other of Washington’s European puppet states to say that they supported the British charges against Russia despite the absence of evidence. Perhaps the Russians noticed that none of those European governments required any evidence that Russia was responsible. All that was required was the accusation.

In the exceptional, indispensable Western World ruled by Washington, accusation alone is proof of Russian mendacity. When British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn asked PM May if she actually had any real evidence that Russia had tried to kill the former British double-agent, Corbyn was shouted down not only by the corrupt Conservatives but also by members of the Labour Party that he heads. How much more evidence does Russia need that facts are not important to the West?

Will Russia wake up? Or will its demented desire to be part of the West leave Russians unprepared for Washington’s nuclear strike, which is coming.

What if the Russian government simply told Washington: “If you or your terrorist mercenaries attack Syrian forces, we will eliminate your presence in the Middle East and Israel as well.” This is something that Russia can do at the drop of a hat.

What would the British and Washington do, other than wet their pants? Clearly, they would get the message and decide that peace is a better idea.

The Russian government simply does not understand that Washington regards Russian appeals to diplomacy, law, facts, evidence, as signs of extreme weakness and lack of confidence. Washington and its puppet states do not need any facts. They have an agenda. By calling for facts, the Russians show their weakness.

The Russian display of weakness encourages Washington’s aggression. Does Russia’s desire to be a part of the West exceed its desire for national survival?

Source: PaulCraigRoberts.org
 
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Russia is winning in Syria and this is not being digested in London and Washington. But Russia is not a small power. It has veto at UN. UK cant do a thing to Russia.

Interesting point raised by Russian ambassador to UN. Apparently only official way to prove the guilty party is through bringing the sample into chemical weapon prevention organisation in Hague and jointly investigate the matter. Russians are open to it, I think UK government should follow this path.


UK government wont cooperate. This is a typical false flag operation to frame Russia. Why should it cooperate when the objective of poisoning a former agent is being met with predictable line of action?
 
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Interesting point raised by Russian ambassador to UN. Apparently only official way to prove the guilty party is through bringing the sample into chemical weapon prevention organisation in Hague and jointly investigate the matter. Russians are open to it, I think UK government should follow this path.


Your a British citizen, where is your loyalty?

Russia is winning in Syria and this is not being digested in London and Washington. But Russia is not a small power. It has veto at UN. UK cant do a thing to Russia.



UK government wont cooperate. This is a typical false flag operation to frame Russia. Why should it cooperate when the objective of poisoning a former agent is being met with predictable line of action?

Do you have any proof to say this is a false flag operation or did you pull that out of your hat old chap?
 
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Will Russia Wake Up? The West Seeks Its Destruction

"The Russian government simply does not understand that Washington regards Russian appeals to diplomacy, law, facts, evidence, as signs of extreme weakness and lack of confidence"

Paul Craig Roberts

Russians are having a difficult time comprehending their Western enemy or even understanding that Russia has an enemy that seeks the destruction of Russia.

vladimir-putin-dog-george-w-bush.jpg


Has it occured to Russia that it is very strange that the UK, a country of no military significance, a country that could be completely destroyed forever in a few minutes by Russia, would concoct false charges against the Russian government, announce these charges publicly without providing any evidence whatsoever, bring the unsupported charges to the UN, issue an ultimatum to Russia, dispell Russian diplomats and seize Russian assets on the basis of mere allegations, all the while refusing any evidence and any cooperation with Russia, as required by law, in the investigation of the charges?

Russians, both government, media and youth brainwashed by American propaganda and the Washington-funded NGOS that the Russian government permits to operate against itself in Russia, seem to think that the many accusations and threats issued against Russia are some kind of mistake that can be rectified by recourse to evidence and law. Apparently, after all these years the Russians still do not understand that Washington and its vassals have no interest whatsoever in facts or law.

At the UN the Russian ambassador, in response to the evidence-free accusation by the UK prime minister that the Russian government had used a military-grade nerve agent to attempt to kill two people on an English park bench, went through all the legal reasons, including the requirement of collaboration with Russia in examining the evidence, to establish that the UK accusation was in violation of law and unsupported by any evidence.

Why do the Russians think the British government cares a hoot about law or evidence? Are the Russians really this brainwashed about the West?

The British government of Tony Blair cooperated with the George W. Bush regime in propagating the lie that Saddam Hussein in Iraq had “weapons of mass destruction.” This lie was used to invade and to destroy Iraq and to leave the country 15 years later in chaos.

The British goverment also supported the lies about Gadaffi in Libya and participated in overthrowing the Libyan government. The British government also supported the lie that Iran had a nuclear weapons program. There was never any evidence, but evidence was of no interest. An agenda was in motion, and the agenda was independent of evidence.

Although the British Parliament voted down British participation in Obama’s planned invasion of Syria, the current British government supports the lie that Assad is using chemical weapons “against his own people.”

By now one would think that Russians, both government, media, and public, would understand that all the West is capable of is to lie. The purpose of the lies is to demonize Russia and to set up Russia for military attack.

But somehow Russians can’t get the message. Russians think it is all some kind of mistake that facts and legal processes and diplomacy can clear up. “Please just listen to us, we can clear up all the misconceptions!” As if the West cares. Washington wants “the misconceptions.” That is why Washington creates them.

The inability of Russians to understand the West, which Russia stupidly wants to join, is the reason that World War 3 is near at hand.

What if, instead of reciting the legal process and the law governing it that the UK PM refused to follow before publicly accusing Russia without the presentation of any evidence, The Russian UN Ambassador had simply said: “If the UK exists tomorrow, it will be due entirely to the forbearance of the Russian government.”

By relying on law, about which no Western country gives a hoot, the Russian UN ambassador permitted Washington’s French puppet and other of Washington’s European puppet states to say that they supported the British charges against Russia despite the absence of evidence. Perhaps the Russians noticed that none of those European governments required any evidence that Russia was responsible. All that was required was the accusation.

In the exceptional, indispensable Western World ruled by Washington, accusation alone is proof of Russian mendacity. When British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn asked PM May if she actually had any real evidence that Russia had tried to kill the former British double-agent, Corbyn was shouted down not only by the corrupt Conservatives but also by members of the Labour Party that he heads. How much more evidence does Russia need that facts are not important to the West?

Will Russia wake up? Or will its demented desire to be part of the West leave Russians unprepared for Washington’s nuclear strike, which is coming.

What if the Russian government simply told Washington: “If you or your terrorist mercenaries attack Syrian forces, we will eliminate your presence in the Middle East and Israel as well.” This is something that Russia can do at the drop of a hat.

What would the British and Washington do, other than wet their pants? Clearly, they would get the message and decide that peace is a better idea.

The Russian government simply does not understand that Washington regards Russian appeals to diplomacy, law, facts, evidence, as signs of extreme weakness and lack of confidence. Washington and its puppet states do not need any facts. They have an agenda. By calling for facts, the Russians show their weakness.

The Russian display of weakness encourages Washington’s aggression. Does Russia’s desire to be a part of the West exceed its desire for national survival?

Source: PaulCraigRoberts.org
This news is getting more interesting. So far, as a third party, I didn't see any convincing explanation from the side which supports Russian did it. Lacking both motive and gains to justify why should Russia risk its reputation and stability before his election and World Cup. Also assassinating a former exchanged spy from the swap program would kill the Russian future chance of cooperation with other countries. Not to mention, why kill a former spy that poses zero threat to the country, and why not kill him in Russia instead of UK, which can save a lot of work? As other members here said, Why the assassination was so sloopy? Even Kim Jong-nam died within 15 minutes with a 8 times less poisonous nerve agent. Why did the Russian use the nerve agent that would be easily identified and tracked back to them? Since killing a Russian traitor already points the direction to Russia and by using Novichok agent would be like giving the UK double confirmation.
Other thing which I found it very strange, Why UK didn't share the sample with Russia for proper investigation and procedure at first. Instead, they went for endless accusation to blame the Russians through repetitively media bombing. Also this was highly possible that the USA could obtain the Novichok agent from Uzbekistan during the cleaning, as other member suggested. Then it should provide some ground that Russia might not be the only country that possessed the nerve agent, while this important information is omitted by the mainstream from their news. As a country that proclaimed itself as a rule of laws, isn't the UK should at least give the Russia the benefit of doubt, as innocent until proven guilty, instead of going to the security council to point finger without conclusive evidence.
 
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