There’s no Chinese aircraft carrier in Syria

[jhungary]

Sure, we will start counting by then. China needed a bigger fight deck carrier. The j15 is far bigger than f14b. The varyag based liaoning carrier is just narrow and short compared to Nimitz class carrier. Quite cramped even with a dozen j15 on deck.

British Queen Elizabeth carrier is about same length but much wider with more deck area giving ample space to f35b to operate.

Not advisable to cramp the fighters with little space on carrier deck. Remember the case zuni rocket fired itself when an f4b started engine and hit an A4 skyhawk on US carrier? The fire spread fast because the aircrafts park too close creating serious damage on deck and casualties.

Actually, the USS Forrestal Fire spread quick not because of the aircraft jam pack together, but rather the bomb is old and the cook off time is unwittingly faster, when the bomb exploded, it basically kill the whole DCT and there are no one with any know how to fight the on-board fire, which leads to multiple mistake From using water instead of foam for fuel fire, which literally spill the fire as water carry the lit fuel, to sailor did not push off the burning aircraft with crane and tractor immediately.

The bomb itself set off a chain reaction that leads to the fire becoming uncontrollable. Had the navy uses newer bomb that have better fire resistance back then, the fire would have been contained by the DCT Chief. Instead of killing him and the team outright.

US Navy still park their ready 5 aircraft close to each other. But with better safety standard employed since.

Depends on few factors, Americans didn't take long to become world power. Before ww2, they were behind the colony kings France, British, Germany. Soviet Union too was far behind having no air and naval power, was a feudal farming country. It took US and Soviet less than 10 years.

Looking at present, more and more Americans and Europeans military manufacturers engineers been idling or left out of job due to less demand for expensive high end weapons such as fighters especially followed by subs, ships, tanks, big guns, missiles, etc. In US, there was once Rockwell, McDonnell Douglas, general dynamics, north american, fairchild, Northrop, Grumman, Lockheed Martin. Today, most of them either absorbed, merged or winded up with the remaining heavily downsized. This left many engineers amd researchers went to other lines leaving their military machines dream burried. Same cases happened in Europe and Russia.

As long as China has money, china could persuade these engineers to work on china project at high pay while Chinese engineers learned from them and added their ideas.

Actually the US had already overtook the UK after WW1, the very fact that at the onset of WW2, the UK have no power whatsoever to drag US into the conflict until Pearl Harbor, the US basically become World Power by staying off WW1.

And no.....US/European technology firm did not sit idle like you said, my brother is a Boeing Defence Engineer, expensive high end weapon are essential before as well as now, hence the US have all kind of crazy program other country can only dream on (Like Zumwalts, F-35 and Laser Technology)

In Ground reality, project itself overtook most defence contractor, and contractor merge itself to form a bigger branch so to earn more contract, it's the same reason why Facebook buy off Instagram....If anything, there are more engineer working in the field then before as most civilian company now dabble into Military Contracting such as Qantas Defence Contracting and Austal Ship building

 

[BoQ77]

Rumors of plan for J-15 in operation in Syria. Please share your comments about that.

 

[Deino]

Rumors of plan for J-15 in operation in Syria. Please share your comments about that.

YES, ... based on this BS-report:

Chinese warplanes to join Russian air strikes in Syria. Russia gains Iraqi air base

But honestly really don't know who to answer to that BS politely !!

The problem we don't have any confirmed information, where the Liaoning is right now. Following some very reliable poster at some Chinese forums, her last confirmed position was somewhere out at sea since August 28. and she has just returned to her home port at Qingdao on September 24. after almost one month out at sea.

Following the usual Chinese proceedings - and esp. since on September 27 there was "Moon Festival" and from October 1 through October 7 there are holidays for National Day - I would expect the crew to get some holidays. You usually see people on vacation a few days before and after these days, as well as the days themselves. So it's not unusual that there are no news right now.

Anyway admitted .... Even if we do not know confirmed where the Liaoning is currently, the Liaoning simply CAN't be off the Syrian coast or how could anyone expect that ship to sail into the Mediterranean without any new from any reliable agency ???There would have been images, news reports as well as the usual Whaaa-hoo "the Chinese are in Syria" !!

But if the Liaoning simply can't be off the Syrian coast, - especially as reported by themselves:

"The J-15 warplanes will take off from the Chinese Liaoning-CV-16 aircraft carrier, which reached Syrian shores on Sept. 26"

... where should these J-15s then come from ??? Even more even if right now the Liaoning's first operational regiment is preparing at sea, the J-15 is simply far from fully operational ... even more in the Mediterranean.

As such I simply can't understand how an agency - by the way what is DEBKA anyway ??? - can create such a piece of crap and I really ask myself how something like that can get the o.k. by any responsible editor or publisher other than it is simply reported intentionally as a faked news, what in the end is even more irresponsible.

I hope You don't mind but it was really hard to be at least this "polite" ...

All the best,
Deino

 

[BoQ77]

Reading those articles, I thought they are talking about the plan of J-15 in operation without take off from CV-16

 

[Deino]

Reading these articles only want me to puke !

This is so false, it lacks all logic or common sense ... if the PLAAF would really like to add anything, why then shore-based J-15 ?? Wouldn't the Su-30MKK or JH-7 much better suited ?

Simply forget that trash.

Deino

 

[kungfugymnast]

Irrelevant to the topic !

Reading those articles, I thought they are talking about the plan of J-15 in operation without take off from CV-16

??? J15 in syria? Is the news true or just made up? Why would they do that if it's true? To test the j15 ground attack capabilities and combat radius in real combat?

Regarding Vietnamese government officials meeting US president, is it regarding TPPA trade treaties?

Reading these articles only want me to puke !

This is so false, it lacks all logic or common sense ... if the PLAAF would really like to add anything, why then shore-based J-15 ?? Wouldn't the Su-30MKK or JH-7 much better suited ?

Simply forget that trash.

Deino

What if it's real? Su30mkk has been proven that it could perform ground attack sorties. The j15 is still new, if china already done testing it's carrier take off, it could be real combat test for j15. ISIS in syria seems to be good target practice for optronic sensors, missiles & guided bombs effectiveness and early warning system. The J15s could try out their combat radius when loaded operating from carrier. Liaoning is kuznetsov class carrier that has been proven works by Russians operating su33. The j15 is lighter, it should works similar to su33. Since Syria is not that big, the j15 combat radius should be enough to fly back and forth.

 

[Deino]

Honestly, I'm really surprised that someone even considers a bit of this BS to be real !!!

 

[mike2000 is back]

Honestly, I'm really surprised that someone even considers a bit of this BS to be real !!!

They don't believe......Those who claim they believe.......hmmm...its more like they wish it was the case.

 

[Oldman1]

If an a aircraft carrier of the People's Liberation Army Navy entered the mediterranean sea NATO would be sh!tting its pants.

You mean China's only aircraft carrier. And it won't do anything if this is true. Its a long way from home.

 

[Sanchez]

Some Russian media are making up stories to show that China is coordinating with or supportive to the Russians. Yes or no, Chinese government are extremely caucious on military involvement in that part of the world. Maybe we would be more responsive to take care of challenges in SCS.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Some Russian media are making up stories to show that China is coordinating with or supportive to the Russians. Yes or no, Chinese government are extremely caucious on military involvement in that part of the world. Maybe we would be more responsive to take care of challenges in SCS.

Don't mind Russian propaganda bro. Everybody that knows them doesn't even take them seriously anymore(well apart from some naive members here. lol)

 

[BoQ77]

Additional info, Chinese GPS system doesn't cover that area.