There is no God , There is no Fate - Steven Hawking

[YeBeWarned]

Yesterday I came Across a very small but important Video in Which Steven Hawking (Late) Said that there is no God , No life After Death and no Fate .

Before his death , in his last book which comes out recently he also repeat the same claims about God and Possibility of Highly intelligent Alien life .. I wonder on what Basis he made this claim ? I respect the man and his work , lectures and research but it gives a vibe that his Opinion about God is a little biased which may ( a huge MAY ) be related to his paralyses and the condition he spend half his life , Any person suffering from such condition can easily curse God , or completely deny his Existence to let him/her or his creation suffer ..I am pretty sure by now the late Steven Hawking would know if there is a God or not on the other side , if there is a fate or after life .

When we die, what happened to our consciousness ? That part/thing that makes us ( us ) is it just gone into non existent ? or it remain in some form of energy in the cosmos ? Is soul a real Thing ? If yes than Is it connected to some higher form of Power ? and if No, than without a Soul body functions and when it stops it die so isn't it possible to say that if we can somehow keep our Decaying body to keep working even after 80-100 years , by replacing or using surgical procedures to heal our organs means we can have a Eternal life ? ? but every living thing that born's will eventually Die..

Scientist says that Our universe will have drastic changes in next few billion years , in fact the book Stages of Universe and its decaying process state that 10^92 years even Black holes will die .. but there comes a question in mind that these scientist use this ridiculously big numbers to predict future but at the same time they say , that if we didn't do measures to stop Global warming in few decades than it will be too late to even reverse the effects of it .. so does it means that the world will die in next 1000 years ? or at least will become Hot enough to melt the huge chunk on ICE in North pole increase the sea levels and drowning many countries , the amount of human population and the speed we are using our natural resources I doubt that in next 1000 years the world or humans can survive ..So will God (if he is out there) will do a compulsive intervention ? Will he comes to Help the Humanity or the world to protect it from its worse enemy which is humans themselves ? or Will God just Let it happen ?

what does science say about all that, and where does science fit in all that ?

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[313ghazi]

If only he could write a book for us now.

Don't forgot, a book was sent to us.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yesterday I came Across a very small but important Video in Which Steven Hawking (Late) Said that there is no God , No life After Death and no Fate .

Before his death , in his last book which comes out recently he also repeat the same claims about God and Possibility of Highly intelligent Alien life .. I wonder on what Basis he made this claim ? I respect the man and his work , lectures and research but it gives a vibe that his Opinion about God is a little biased which may ( a huge MAY ) be related to his paralyses and the condition he spend half his life , Any person suffering from such condition can easily curse God , or completely deny his Existence to let him/her or his creation suffer ..I am pretty sure by now the late Steven Hawking would know if there is a God or not on the other side , if there is a fate or after life .

When we die, what happened to our consciousness ? That part/thing that makes us ( us ) is it just gone into non existent ? or it remain in some form of energy in the cosmos ? Is soul a real Thing ? If yes than Is it connected to some higher form of Power ? and if No, than without a Soul body functions and when it stops it die so isn't it possible to say that if we can somehow keep our Decaying body to keep working even after 80-100 years , by replacing or using surgical procedures to heal our organs means we can have a Eternal life ? ? but every living thing that born's will eventually Die..

Scientist says that Our universe will have drastic changes in next few billion years , in fact the book Stages of Universe and its decaying process state that 10^92 years even Black holes will die .. but there comes a question in mind that these scientist use this ridiculously big numbers to predict future but at the same time they say , that if we didn't do measures to stop Global warming in few decades than it will be too late to even reverse the effects of it .. so does it means that the world will die in next 1000 years ? or at least will become Hot enough to melt the huge chunk on ICE in North pole increase the sea levels and drowning many countries , the amount of human population and the speed we are using our natural resources I doubt that in next 1000 years the world or humans can survive ..So will God (if he is out there) will do a compulsive intervention ? Will he comes to Help the Humanity or the world to protect it from its worse enemy which is humans themselves ? or Will God just Let it happen ?

what does science say about all that, and where does science fit in all that ?

Here is the thing...

Science is based on the Scientific method, which by definition requires "empirical evidence" (evidence which is testable and observable).

Gravity for instance, its effects are both observable and testable. You could test it right now, you can drop a ball from sea level and measure its downwards acceleration. And you can test it again and again, whenever you like. You can test it before breakfast, after lunch and during dinner.

However, when it comes to things that do not have any empirical evidence, such as the existence of God(s) or the moment of the Big Bang (or the singularity at the center of a black hole)... well the only thing that Scientists can do in that situation is this: "Wait for evidence".

And that's how I feel as well, I'm just waiting for the evidence. Whether the God(s) exist or not, is something that is frankly beyond my current knowledge or understanding. And I also believe that the universe having mysteries that are beyond our understanding is a beautiful thing, life would be boring if we understood everything.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

He should write a new book with his afterlife experience.Im sure there is a scientific way that he can communicate with us even now.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Here is the thing...

Science is based on the Scientific method, which by definition requires "empirical evidence" (evidence which is testable and observable).

Gravity for instance, its effects are both observable and testable. You could test it right now, you can drop a ball from sea level and measure its downwards acceleration. And you can test it again and again, whenever you like. You can test it before breakfast, after lunch and during dinner.

However, when it comes to things that do not have any empirical evidence, such as the existence of God(s) or the moment of the Big Bang (or the singularity at the center of a black hole)... well the only thing that Scientists can do in that situation is this: "Wait for evidence".

And that's how I feel as well, I'm just waiting for the evidence. Whether the God(s) exist or not, is something that is frankly beyond my current knowledge or understanding. And I also believe that the universe having mysteries that are beyond our understanding is a beautiful thing, life would be boring if we understood everything.

Yes there is so much unknown out there which our senses will never perceive completely . Our reality or reality of science is what we could feel, watch, observe, listen etc with our limited senses .

Actually scientific or physical evidence of God or others supernatural thing will never exist ..Why? Because then it will kill the purpose of existence i.e sending human on earth to test whether they believe in existence of God without any physical evidence . If God come to us and meet us personally then we will never going to deny his existence then why we should get paradise as a reward ?

Thirdly God by definition is eternal being and non physical entity which is again beyond the scope of science to verify or discover because science deal with matter

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yes there is so much unknown out there which our senses will never perceive completely . Our reality or reality of science is what we could feel, watch, observe, listen etc with our limited senses .

Actually scientific or physical evidence of God or others supernatural thing will never exist ..Why? Because then it will kill the purpose of existence i.e sending human on earth to test whether they believe in existence of God without any physical evidence . If God come to us and meet us personally then we will never going to deny his existence then why we should get paradise as a reward ?

Thirdly God by definition is eternal being and non physical entity which is against beyond the scope of science to verify or discover because science deal with matter

I agree, the debate on the existence of God is outside the realm of Science. It is a question of Faith, not Science.

Personally, if I die of old age without having this question answered, I will be happy. I love the mysterious nature of the universe. All that matters to me in the end is being a good person and treating other people kindly, I'm not worried about the rest.

 

[Indos]

I think the prove that there is God is very clear by seeing our perfect body, animals, plan, Milky way galaxy, and universe as a whole.

As Muslim I want to go further which is to have closeness with God that in Quran is stated as Al Muqarrabun (people who is close to the God). Because of that I love reading Sufi books because Sufism is a knowledge and practice to get near the God.

Milky Way galaxy

 

[YeBeWarned]

I agree, the debate on the existence of God is outside the realm of Science. It is a question of Faith, not Science.

I personally believe Science can play a part in it, Proving God with the fundamental Science will kinda be difficult because if God exists outside the laws and realm of Science than I guess we'll never find out , people who wants God to become Human to visit as Prove or create a giant face in Sky is nothing but mocking the idea of God . for me personally a Part of God is with me all the time which is my Soul .. In Quran it says that Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein , now than can be take as a metaphorical statement or an actual one .. how can God which can't even fit inside the known universe be able to simultaneously exists so close that he can not just hear my thoughts but can influence it as well ? the only thing that is close enough to me is my soul/Consciousness , if i think about something (Good or Bad) only i know it and God , and the only Way God can know it is if he is somehow connected to me .. the only i can think of the Soul because another thing in Islam is that When God created Adam A.S he took mud from all different parts of the world, and he put it in shape, left it there a lifeless body of Adam A.S and than breath life in him and he wake up .. Make sense right ? breathing of God in to Adam aka Soul and all the souls that were created prior or after that, were somehow connected to God himself . its like a Primary Server Station controlling/Listening/recording/evaluating all the information through Millions of different small Computers .

 

[HAIDER]

Yesterday I came Across a very small but important Video in Which Steven Hawking (Late) Said that there is no God , No life After Death and no Fate .

Before his death , in his last book which comes out recently he also repeat the same claims about God and Possibility of Highly intelligent Alien life .. I wonder on what Basis he made this claim ? I respect the man and his work , lectures and research but it gives a vibe that his Opinion about God is a little biased which may ( a huge MAY ) be related to his paralyses and the condition he spend half his life , Any person suffering from such condition can easily curse God , or completely deny his Existence to let him/her or his creation suffer ..I am pretty sure by now the late Steven Hawking would know if there is a God or not on the other side , if there is a fate or after life .

When we die, what happened to our consciousness ? That part/thing that makes us ( us ) is it just gone into non existent ? or it remain in some form of energy in the cosmos ? Is soul a real Thing ? If yes than Is it connected to some higher form of Power ? and if No, than without a Soul body functions and when it stops it die so isn't it possible to say that if we can somehow keep our Decaying body to keep working even after 80-100 years , by replacing or using surgical procedures to heal our organs means we can have a Eternal life ? ? but every living thing that born's will eventually Die..

Scientist says that Our universe will have drastic changes in next few billion years , in fact the book Stages of Universe and its decaying process state that 10^92 years even Black holes will die .. but there comes a question in mind that these scientist use this ridiculously big numbers to predict future but at the same time they say , that if we didn't do measures to stop Global warming in few decades than it will be too late to even reverse the effects of it .. so does it means that the world will die in next 1000 years ? or at least will become Hot enough to melt the huge chunk on ICE in North pole increase the sea levels and drowning many countries , the amount of human population and the speed we are using our natural resources I doubt that in next 1000 years the world or humans can survive ..So will God (if he is out there) will do a compulsive intervention ? Will he comes to Help the Humanity or the world to protect it from its worse enemy which is humans themselves ? or Will God just Let it happen ?

what does science say about all that, and where does science fit in all that ?

@war&peace @django @Oscar @Menace2Society @Mrc @Thorough Pro @Awan68 @monitor @T-Rex @waz @M. Sarmad @nang2 @Dubious @PakSword @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Indos @Kaniska @gambit @AgNoStiC MuSliM @VCheng @xyxmt @LoveIcon @HAIDER @The SC @Maarkhoor @Verve @Slav Defence @Inception-06 @Areesh @Peaceful Civilian @BHarwana

Surprising , someone was talking to me about exact same question and told me, SH is confused about his claims, that if God exist. I think in last few days his ego stop him to accept the existence of God. His research time after time proves the existence of Supernatural power which keep the balance in this universe .

I personally believe Science can play a part in it, Proving God with the fundamental Science will kinda be difficult because if God exists outside the laws and realm of Science than I guess we'll never find out , people who wants God to become Human to visit as Prove or create a giant face in Sky is nothing but mocking the idea of God . for me personally a Part of God is with me all the time which is my Soul .. In Quran it says that Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein , now than can be take as a metaphorical statement or an actual one .. how can God which can't even fit inside the known universe be able to simultaneously exists so close that he can not just hear my thoughts but can influence it as well ? the only thing that is close enough to me is my soul/Consciousness , if i think about something (Good or Bad) only i know it and God , and the only Way God can know it is if he is somehow connected to me .. the only i can think of the Soul because another thing in Islam is that When God created Adam A.S he took mud from all different parts of the world, and he put it in shape, left it there a lifeless body of Adam A.S and than breath life in him and he wake up .. Make sense right ? breathing of God in to Adam aka Soul and all the souls that were created prior or after that, were somehow connected to God himself . its like a Primary Server Station controlling/Listening/recording/evaluating all the information through Millions of different small Computers .

Except Islam , every religion has god in physical form. Our believe base on unseen all mighty existence ...... may be conscious or subconscious is god

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Surprising , someone was talking to me about exact same question and told me, SH is confused about his claims, that if God exist. I think in last few days his ego stop him to accept the existence of God. His research time after time proves the existence of Supernatural power which keep the balance in this universe .


Except Islam , every religion has god in physical form. Our believe base on unseen all mighty existence ...... may be conscious or subconscious is god

I think Stephen Hawking's words might have been taken out of context by the media reporting.

What he said is that the Universe might have "created itself" (which by the way, does not necessarily rule out the existence of God).

He believes this because "time" did not exist before the Big Bang, therefore "cause and effect" did not exist, thus the universe could have created itself. According to our current knowledge of physics, "time" does not exist at points of infinite gravity (such as singularities) or for massless particles such as Photons and Gluons.

Also, according to many scientific theories there might be multiple (or even infinite) universes, and our universe might be a single bubble in a multiverse full of infinite bubble universes.

In the end, we do not really know for sure. The universe/multiverse is so vast and so mysterious that we could spend the next few millenia researching it and still find new and amazing things every day.

 

[HAIDER]

I think Stephen Hawking's words might have been taken out of context by the media reporting.

What he said is that the Universe might have "created itself" (which by the way, does not necessarily rule out the existence of God).

He believes this because "time" did not exist before the Big Bang, therefore "cause and effect" did not exist, thus the universe could have created itself. According to our current knowledge of physics, "time" does not exist at points of infinite gravity (such as singularities) or for massless particles such as Photons and Gluons.

Also, according to many scientific theories there might be multiple (or even infinite universes), and our universe might be a single bubble in a multiverse full of infinite bubble universes.

In the end, we do not really know for sure.

And all mighty power left us unanswered , and human mind left to explore the answer for centuries.... lol.. but the task is given to human being ...it means it has capability to find the answer ... when , .....

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And all mighty power left us unanswered , and human mind left to explore the answer for centuries.... lol

Exactly, and I think that is great. Discovering the mysteries of life and the universe is what drives humanity forward. Imagine how boring life would be, if we knew everything and there were no more mysteries to discover?

 

[YeBeWarned]

Surprising , someone was talking to me about exact same question and told me, SH is confused about his claims, that if God exist. I think in last few days his ego stop him to accept the existence of God. His research time after time proves the existence of Supernatural power which keep the balance in this universe .

he kept his Opinion over God very shady ..maybe he doesn't want to comment or hurt people ?
what my Point is that someone like SH would not make a claim out in the thin Air , so it can be either he know something we don't ? or his statement was taken out of context as @Chinese-Dragon said.

Except Islam , every religion has god in physical form. Our believe base on unseen all mighty existence ...... may be conscious or subconscious is god

Because the Idea of God in Islam is complicated yet very simple , Surah Ikhlas .. I wouldn't say that God maybe Conscious or subconscious but i would bet my everything that he is in someway connected to us .

 

[Malik Alashter]

If you ask the top physicists is there any way to know what start the big bang what was before it their reply no

Now the big bang moment and aftermath where nothing but hell from that chaos came order right after dust settles big stars start to form and they were extremely big they lived short life few millions of years then big bang!! from those stars the seeds of life spread in the universe the Question isn't that something been planned?? to me yes it is this universe works in harmony everything set up this way for a reason
For instance our location in the Galaxy not too close to the center where the fireworks so violent nor far at the edges of the Galaxy

All this can't be came from no where that is just impossible

The problem is that with their model of creation the question that arises what started it

But us our model has one answer it's all started by God

Now they can say what is god is the real God is he the Christine god or the Muslims God or the Bothas one

I can say non of us no for sure what God is what he is looks like we believe but we don't

 

[gambit]

I think the prove that there is God is very clear by seeing our perfect body, animals, plan, Milky way galaxy, and universe as a whole.

That is not how ANY investigation, let alone the standard scientific method, works.

Q: Is there a god?

A genuinely unbiased and objective investigation would leave that question AS IS and proceed to gather evidences regardless of what kind of evidences there are and where each piece of evidence may lead.

What you did was you injected your biases into the question and proceed to interpret what you gathered to fit the answer you already had in your mind. It does not even qualify as an inference because an 'inference' is...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inference
a conclusion or opinion that is formed because of known facts or evidence

At this time, there is no clear proof for the existence of any god, let alone God.

Here is how a true unbiased and objective investigation works...

There is a knife with red fluid on it.

Conclusion: A murder.

Wrong. There is a difference between a 'murder' and a 'killing'. A 'murder' is always frowned upon, illegal, and punishable. A 'killing' is an act and is the foundation for a 'murder'. A 'killing' maybe justifiable and in that case, it is not a 'murder'.

Conclusion: The red fluid is blood.

Wrong. The red fluid is nothing more than an observation of something that have certain physical properties. The fluid must be analyzed of/for other physical properties. If it is blood, what kind is it? If it is animal blood, then 'murder' is eliminated because a 'murder' is attached to human beings. If the red fluid is human blood, then the investigation can lead to other paths, such as a human being. Now that a human being is attached to the knife and red fluid that was determined to be human blood, whose blood is it? The wielder of the knife or the target of the knife. A 'killing' is not ruled out, but then it is not definite either, because the human being maybe wounded and not killed.

A proper investigation would continue until at least one human being is found that is indisputably attached to the knife and blood before any conclusion is published.

So far, any declaration for the existence of God is at the level of the 'conclusion' statements above. On the other hand, scientists are obligated to follow every 'wrong' in the example above.