There is no God , There is no Fate - Steven Hawking

[YeBeWarned]

So far, any declaration for the existence of God is at the level of the 'conclusion' statements above. On the other hand, scientists are obligated to follow every 'wrong' in the example above.

I think its kinda fair from the Scientist not just believe in God because they want to with the help of pre-existing Evidence , if a Scientist who believes in God, and went into a Lab and try to understand a certain mystery of Universe, his inability or inefficiency to find the truth will lead him to make a biased conclusion where he will say that It will be the work of divine , and thus giving up on it quite easily . I wouldn't be surprised that if the Atheist bunch will someday solve the puzzle and find a significant evidence for God itself, it will be funny but Ironic too haha
but than again, using logic on the Atheist will have the same Biased in the Atheist as well and will ignore the possible evidence which can signal in the direction of a higher power creating everything in the first place .

 

[Thorough Pro]

The world calls him a genius, I think he was very stupid (learned but Stupid) After all the knowledge he had about the universe and the fact that despite all his genius and the intelligent brain he couldn't do any thing by himself, did that reality not hammer home the fact that nothing happens by itself and that there definitely is a creator.

Yesterday I came Across a very small but important Video in Which Steven Hawking (Late) Said that there is no God , No life After Death and no Fate .

Before his death , in his last book which comes out recently he also repeat the same claims about God and Possibility of Highly intelligent Alien life .. I wonder on what Basis he made this claim ? I respect the man and his work , lectures and research but it gives a vibe that his Opinion about God is a little biased which may ( a huge MAY ) be related to his paralyses and the condition he spend half his life , Any person suffering from such condition can easily curse God , or completely deny his Existence to let him/her or his creation suffer ..I am pretty sure by now the late Steven Hawking would know if there is a God or not on the other side , if there is a fate or after life .

When we die, what happened to our consciousness ? That part/thing that makes us ( us ) is it just gone into non existent ? or it remain in some form of energy in the cosmos ? Is soul a real Thing ? If yes than Is it connected to some higher form of Power ? and if No, than without a Soul body functions and when it stops it die so isn't it possible to say that if we can somehow keep our Decaying body to keep working even after 80-100 years , by replacing or using surgical procedures to heal our organs means we can have a Eternal life ? ? but every living thing that born's will eventually Die..

Scientist says that Our universe will have drastic changes in next few billion years , in fact the book Stages of Universe and its decaying process state that 10^92 years even Black holes will die .. but there comes a question in mind that these scientist use this ridiculously big numbers to predict future but at the same time they say , that if we didn't do measures to stop Global warming in few decades than it will be too late to even reverse the effects of it .. so does it means that the world will die in next 1000 years ? or at least will become Hot enough to melt the huge chunk on ICE in North pole increase the sea levels and drowning many countries , the amount of human population and the speed we are using our natural resources I doubt that in next 1000 years the world or humans can survive ..So will God (if he is out there) will do a compulsive intervention ? Will he comes to Help the Humanity or the world to protect it from its worse enemy which is humans themselves ? or Will God just Let it happen ?

what does science say about all that, and where does science fit in all that ?

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[YeBeWarned]

The world calls him a genius, I think he was very stupid (learned but Stupid) After all the knowledge he had about the universe and the fact that despite all his genius and the intelligent brain he couldn't do any thing by himself, did that reality not hammer home the fact that nothing happens by itself and that there definitely is a creator.

maybe his denial in God comes from his own suffering ? he was on wheelchair for years and unable to move, talk or eat ? maybe he thought if there is a God why would he let his creation suffer ? a man who is suffering often get bitter towards God and blame him for everything ..

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

maybe his denial in God comes from his own suffering ? he was on wheelchair for years and unable to move, talk or eat ? maybe he thought if there is a God why would he let his creation suffer ? a man who is suffering often get bitter towards God and blame him for everything ..

You see this all the time from people who are going through significant amounts of suffering, for example parents who have lost their children.

They ask... why would a kind and caring God allow my child to be killed in such a cruel and painful way?

The answer that religion would give, is that life is a test. But it would be hard for someone in that situation to accept an answer like that.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I think its the other way round when one is trapped in a situation where no other human being can help, then ultimately the reality hits home and people do realize that there is a GOD. but again as Allah says, he only shows the right path to those HE wishes.

maybe his denial in God comes from his own suffering ? he was on wheelchair for years and unable to move, talk or eat ? maybe he thought if there is a God why would he let his creation suffer ? a man who is suffering often get bitter towards God and blame him for everything ..

 

[YeBeWarned]

You see this all the time from people who are going through significant amounts of suffering, for example parents who have lost their children.

They ask... why would a kind and caring God allow my child to be killed in such a cruel and painful way?

The answer that religion would give, is that life is a test. But it would be hard for someone in that situation to accept an answer like that.

Agreed, and when this Depression+Sorrow reach its maximum it just create those thoughts where people start to lose their faith on All knowing, All loving/Caring God ..

I think its the other way round when one is trapped in a situation where no other human being can help, then ultimately the reality hits home and people do realize that there is a GOD. but again as Allah says, he only shows the right path to those HE wishes.

my Friend Human is the most complex Machine ever built , every mind work differently some people find Hope/God in times of suffering , and some lose it all .. I know this because i was in that place few years ago where i literally said things to God which would easily get me in Hell .. i am not proud of that period of my life but i hope God forgive me and i ask forgiveness a lot ..

 

[PakSword]

I don't know why are we taking Stephen Hawkins so seriously. He was one of the many scientists who do not believe that God exists. There are many more scientists who believe(d) that there is Someone who created this universe and the living beings in it.

As a Muslim, I believe that we will never be able to find it out through science, because God has no restrictions of time and space. He has created time and space Himself so of course He can't be restricted within its boundaries. As for us, we can't even think about breaking the laws of time and space let alone proving an Entity that is not subject to the time and space.

But when God (Allah) asks us to ponder upon the physical things to find out Who could create such things with such a perfection, then it means we have to focus on the creations (both living and non-living) to understand that there is Someone out there. This can't just happen by itself.

We can't even know what's the difference between a recently died person and a living individual. There are hundreds of people who die of cardiac arrest everyday with no signs of any disease, yet we can't bring them back to LIFE. Here I am not even taking about creating a new being altogether from scratch, I am just asking the scientists to bring back a dead person, with all the ingredients ready, to life. The one ingredient which they will never be able to create to bring a dead to consciousness is soul. Heck even they will never be able to prove that a soul exists. So we shouldn't expect physicists or other scientists to prove a much much powerful and highest Being, Who isn't even bound to follow physics rules through science.

The only way is to think about the creations and try to understand that this perfectness can't be achieved on its own and a non living matter can't achieve consciousness by itself.

 

[T-Rex]

There's no way to scientifically prove Almighty's existence because that's how Almighty wants it. If one could physically prove the existence of Almighty faith would become irrelevant. However, Allah has provided signs and a messenger who had earned the title of being always truthful and he received the title from his very foes and therefore nobody can refute the authenticity of this title. Now the question is why would a man referred to as Al Amin by his foes suddenly start lying after reaching the age of forty? What does logic say in this case? What does the theory of probability say in this case? Apart from this, there's this issue of the intricate nature of every creation, be it a subatomic particle or the vast universe. Which is more complicated, the human brain or a clock? If a clock cannot come into existence without human intervention how could human brain come into existence without some kind of intervention? What does science say about the working of the universe? Is it without laws and if not who set those laws in motion to begin with? Saying it all happened automatically is like saying if given all materials over billions of years natural forces can come up with a clock.

 

[gambit]

After all the knowledge he had about the universe...

That does not mean Hawking knew EVERYTHING about the universe. I think this is where you are confused of your criticism of him.

All I know is not equal to I know all. Do you see the difference?

All I know could be that I know everything there is about an object or an issue, but it could also mean that the entirety of my knowledge is just a parcel of everything there is about that object or issue.

Take a bank, for example.

I have a checking account and a credit card issued by that bank. So 'all I know' about that bank is confined to my limited financial links to that bank. On the other hand, the bank president would know everything there is about his bank, which would mean his knowledge contains my knowledge, or to put it another way, my knowledge is only a part of his knowledge of that bank. The bank president would have a larger -- macroscope -- view of the bank. I would have a smaller -- microscope -- view of the bank.

...and the fact that despite all his genius and the intelligent brain he couldn't do any thing by himself, did that reality not hammer home the fact that nothing happens by itself and that there definitely is a creator.

Life is linear and is a chain. Each link in the chain contains a cause and effects. The effects of one chain make up the cause in the next link. And so on...

So just because there is a creator that does not mean the creator -- or cause -- is divine. You are talking about the 'First Cause' argument.

Steven Hawking is both more learned and smarter than you will ever be. That does not mean he is always correct in his scientific endeavors. Science is about making one thousand or more errors before reaching the correct conclusion. Religion is no different. How many lives lost in how many religious wars and STILL no definitive conclusion as to the existence of a god, let alone THE GOD? And this is where religious explorations on the godhood have been around far longer than scientific explorations.

...Allah has provided signs and a messenger...

All God has to do is appear en masse. Why bother with an agent?

 

[T-Rex]

All God has to do is appear en masse. Why bother with an agent?

The answer to that question is in my post. You've missed it. Let me put it to you this way. Suppose you're the owner of a shop and you want to find out how sincere, honest and hard working your employees are. Do you think you can find that out by standing in front of them? Of course they'll behave the way you want them to if you are in front of them. If you really want to find out how they are you'll have to watch them secretly.

 

[BHarwana]

He was considered a genius but was the biggest fool of all time.

 

[gambit]

Suppose you're the owner of a shop and you want to find out how sincere, honest and hard working your employees are. Do you think you can find that out by standing in front of them? Of course they'll behave the way you want them to if you are in front of them. If you really want to find out how they are you'll have watch them secretly.

That is a terrible analogy. And completely wrong.

The question is not about God wanting to know how 'good' humans are, but about whether God exist. Or to use your analogy, if your employees know if YOU exist.

If you want your employees to know if you are real, you do not have someone else tell your employees that you exist. You go in front of them. Whether they are 'good' workers or not -- is not the point.

The point is if YOU exist.

 

[PakSword]

I still don't know why are we giving so much importance to Stephen Hawkins. Just because he was an astrophysicist and this branch of science fascinates us doesn't mean that other scientists/ branches of science are useless. Equally important to us are zoologists, botanists, chemists, geologists, human anatomists, ecologists, oceanographers, ecologists, archaeologists, meteorologists, astrobiologists, cell biologists, applied physicists, genetic scientists, climatologists etc etc etc..

Giving one person who was related to one branch of science and taking his statement as it has come from all-knowing, shows how we make gods on earth.. First we have to understand that he was not a god himself, and he was not all-knowing.. and we should not disrespect other branches of science by giving so much importance to this one scientist just because we like astrophysics so much.. we want to travel to future, or we want to amend our past.. because some astrophysicists have said that we can, if we travel at extremely high speed.. or we want to reach to a different dimension.. come on.. there are other scientists who are excelling in their fields. But because we aren't interested in those branches of science, they are somehow lower than this one guy named Stephen Hawkins.. oh come on..

 

[gambit]

Do not even try to insinuate that idolatry is unique to science. It is only in religions that we find figures telling people that he/she knows what a god want. If God is the finality of the universe, then me telling you what God is/want is the equivalent of me being God. Let THAT sink in.

Science has made more progress in helping us understand the universe than religionists have in understanding God.

 

[CriticalThought]

Do not even try to insinuate that idolatry is unique to science. It is only in religions that we find figures telling people that he/she knows what a god want. If God is the finality of the universe, then me telling you what God is/want is the equivalent of me being God. Let THAT sink in.

Science has made more progress in helping us understand the universe than religionists have in understanding God.

The entire test is to believe in Allah without ever seeing Him. You may only see the manifestations of His Power and Majesty, and your test is to reach the conclusion that the universe around you was made by God and that God is one. You have been provided all the capabilities needed to reach this conclusion. The same is true of every man and woman who has a sane mind. Since Allah is not cruel to His creation, this is a very simple and basic test. You only fail it by ignoring the truth that faces you.