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India accepted, IAF lost Mig 21 and 1 Pilot missing on the fist day itself, so why wouldn't it accept the other one, if there had been any ?

Pakistan said it shot down 2 Indian aircraft - yet is only able to provide evidence only one, why?
Again u haven't responded to the content of the first post where I quoted u. Do u not have a response to that? :cheesy:

And no India didnt accept it. There were news coming out of India that all jets and pilots are accounted for. It was only when Pak showed wreckage of Mig21 and pics/video of Abhinandan...that's when u guys had to begrudgingly accept the truth.
 
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Because the Su30 fell in IOK!!

But unless we can provide substantial proof then its JUST A CLAIM

and unles indians can provide substantial proof then yours is JUST a claim

The only reality is that india lost a plane and pilot

Where did its pilot fall?
 
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Yes/Probably/maybe/no



Dead/Alive/never existed


Unless anyone has any actual evidence then all of the above and none of the above is possible

What dont you get?

Then why does Pakistan claim it shot down 2 Indian aircrafts, when you don't have any actual evidence of it? You even showed Su 30 shot down on airfoce tags on Pakistan day.

Again u haven't responded to the content of the first post where I quoted u. Do u not have a response to that? :cheesy:

And no India didnt accept it. There were news coming out of India that all jets and pilots are accounted for. It was only when Pak showed wreckage of Mig21 and pics/video of Abhinandan...that's when u guys had to begrudgingly accept the truth.

Thats what you want to believe(unverified Media tickers), there was only one official briefing that day. And India readily accepted its loss and also claimed that it shot down a Pakistani aircraft. Indian official statement hasn't budged even an inch from that. Unlike ISPR statement, which have changed so often since then.
 
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Then why does Pakistan claim it shot down 2 Indian aircrafts, when they don't have any actual evidence of it? You even showed Su 30 shot down on airfoce tags on Pakistan day.

Because we beleive we bagged the Su30

But unlike the Mig 21 we cant provide substantial evidence because the Su30 fell in IOK

So whilst we will claim it
Celebrate it
Issue the badge

Internationally it won't be recognised beyond a CLAIM

This is indias same position you are making a claim with no evidence

Thus you are being panned internationally


The ONLY indisputable FACT is india lost a plane and pilot


Indians due to ego however dont get it and are making a joke of themselves bringing next to no substantial evidence and banging their chest on a claim
 
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Because we beleive we bagged the Su30

But unlike the Mig 21 we cant provide substantial evidence because the Su30 fell in IOK

So whilst we will claim it
Celebrate it
Issue the badge

Internationally it won't be recognised beyond a CLAIM

This is indias same position you are making a claim with no evidence

Thus you are being panned internationally


The ONLY indisputable FACT is india lost a plane and pilot


Indians due to ego however dont get it and are making a joke of themselves bringing next to no substantial evidence and banging their chest on a claim

We have provided evidence of our claim, now you might not think it is irrefutable , but it better than what you have provided, but you still carry on with your claim.
 
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Then why does Pakistan claim it shot down 2 Indian aircrafts, when you don't have any actual evidence of it? You even showed Su 30 shot down on airfoce tags on Pakistan day.



Thats what you want to believe(unverified Media tickers), there was only one official briefing that day. And India readily accepted its loss and also claimed that it shot down a Pakistani aircraft. Indian official statement hasn't budged even an inch from that. Unlike ISPR statement, which have changed so often since then.
Lmao...so then why not show us the wreckage of the F16 and settle it once and for all?

Oh wait I can see u defaulting to ur excuse that it "fell" on Pakistani side so u can't. By that reasoning Pak can't show u the wreckage of the second aircraft that was shot since it fell on Indian side. So how about this...let's not take into account claims that can't be verified. Let's just look at the verified score...
PAF 1, IAF 0 :lol:
 
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Lmao...so then why not show us the wreckage of the F16 and settle it once and for all.

Oh wait I can see u defaulting to ur excuse that it "fell" on Pakistani side so u can't. By that reasoning Pak can't show u the wreckage of the second aircraft that was shot since it fell on Indian side. So how about this...let's not take into account claims that can't be verified. Let's just look at the verified score...
PAF 1, IAF 0 :lol:

But you can show us the Indian pilot, which you claim, you had or his uniform, or his badge.

If not, then why not ? Since it will conclusively prove your claim.
 
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We have provided evidence of our claim, now you might not think it is irrefutable , but it better than what you have provided, but you still carry on with your claim.

No!

What we have with the Mig and abhinotindian is evidence

A plane crash plus bloodied pilot


What you have is nonsense that can be mocked up

The reality is the IAF KNOWS THIS
the "evidence" is not to convince the world who would simply laugh at indians but to convince the dramabaxi deluded indian public who would buy it hook line and sinker and not question the IAF


Lmao...so then why not show us the wreckage of the F16 and settle it once and for all?

Oh wait I can see u defaulting to ur excuse that it "fell" on Pakistani side so u can't. By that reasoning Pak can't show u the wreckage of the second aircraft that was shot since it fell on Indian side. So how about this...let's not take into account claims that can't be verified. Let's just look at the verified score...
PAF 1, IAF 0 :lol:

Exactly!!!

We claim a Su30
They claim a f16

But neither of us can provide any evidence

Ergo it might as well not have happened

The only guaranteed kill is a indian plane which the whole world accepts
 
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Because, it was not necessary till then. I mean, you have been claiming, you shot down a Su 30, but have presented no proof of it, till now.

This is what, an actual pentagon official said -regarding the F-16 count.

Pentagon 'not aware' on Pak F-16 count after Feb aerial dogfight with IAF
https://www.asianage.com/amp/world/...count-after-feb-aerial-dogfight-with-iaf.html
What the fcuk you're talking about one said all PAF F-16 counted for and still intact and other said NOT AWARE, please tell me how many Pentagon corespondents are in defense department @Osiris
 
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Pakistan rejects fresh Indian claim IAF downed PAF jet

Kashif AbbasiUpdated April 09, 2019
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Rejecting India’s latest reiteration of its claim that it downed a Pakistani fighter jet in February, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) chief Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor on Monday said that false claims do not turn into truths no matter how many times they are repeated. — Photo courtesy ISPR/File

ISLAMABAD: Rejecting India’s latest reiteration of its claim that it downed a Pakistani fighter jet in February, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) chief Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor on Monday said that false claims do not turn into truths no matter how many times they are repeated.

He said that India only made false claims and could not present to the world any proof to support those claims.


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https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1115309097245605894

Repetitions don’t make truth of a lie. Despite claiming possession of evidence on shooting F16, IAF still short of presenting it. Don’t overlook Pakistan’s silence for not drum beating losses on Indian side. Fact is that PAF shot down two IAF jets, wreckage seen on ground by all.


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The director general of ISPR, the public affairs wing of the military, was responding to a news conference held by the Indian air chief earlier in the day in New Delhi, where Air Vice Marshal R.G.K Kapoor presented “irrefutable evidence” that they had downed a Pakistani fighter jet in February.

The ISPR director general in a statement said that Pakistan was tightlipped over the damage caused to India in February’s clash at the hands of Pakistani forces.

“Do not overlook our silence. We did not beat drums over the truth. The truth is this, Pakistan Air Force downed two Indian Jets,” the ISPR chief said, adding “everyone saw the wreckage [of the Indian jets]”, Maj Gen Ghafoor said.

ISPR chief says lies do not become truths by way of repetitions

It is worth mentioning that the US-based Foreign Policy magazine has also rejected the Indian claim of shooting down a Pakistani F-16.

“India’s claim that one of its fighter pilots shot down a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet in an aerial battle between the two nuclear powers in February appears to be wrong,” read a report recently posted on the magazine’s website.

Read: ISPR releases 'proof' further contradicting Indian claim of shooting down F-16

Following the Foreign Policy’s revelation, Prime Minister Imran Khan also rebukedthe Indian leadership over its false claim of shooting down an F-16.

“The truth always prevails and is always the best policy,” the prime minister tweeted.

Pakistan believes that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi wanted to win the elections through war hysteria and false claims of shooting down a Pakistani jet.

However, ignoring Pakistan’s rejection of the Indian claim as well as the American magazine’s report, the Indian Air Force on Monday made yet another claim, but could not produce any solid evidence to support its point.

According to AFP, India’s air force presented on Monday what it called “irrefutable evidence” that it had downed a Pakistan fighter jet in February during a dogfight over the skies in the disputed region of Kashmir.

India lost a Mig-21 Bison in the aerial skirmish and its pilot was captured by Pakistan and later returned, cooling one of the most serious military confrontations between the two countries in decades.

But India has since claimed that its pilot first fired on an F-16, sending the damaged jet crashing into Azad Kashmir — something Islamabad says never happened.

AVM Kapoor repeated this at the press conference in Delhi, reading out the “evidence” gathered by India and displaying radar images he claimed proved the Pakistan jet was struck and crashed.

“There is no doubt that two aircraft went down in the aerial engagement on 27 February 2019,” Kapoor said, reading from a prepared statement.

India’s air force “has irrefutable evidence of not only the fact that F-16 was used” on the day of the dogfight, but that it was shot down by the Indian jet, he added.

He claimed that further “credible information and evidence” backed this version of events but could not be released due to confidentiality concerns.

Foreign Policy magazine cited two unnamed senior US defence officials who said that US personnel recently conducted a count of Pakistan’s F-16s and found none missing.

The magazine quoted one of the officials as saying that Pakistan had invited the US to physically count its F-16 fleet.

The dogfight happened after Indian aircraft carried out an airstrike on what it alleged was a “terrorist training camp” in Pakistan.

That in turn was in response to a suicide bombing on February 14 in India-held Kashmir that killed 40 Indian troops and which was claimed by a militant group based in Pakistan.

Doubt has also been cast over the success of India’s airstrike, which Amit Shah, president of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), claimed killed 250.

Pakistan denied that there was any damage or casualties.Independent reporting by multiple local and international outlets who visited the site also found no evidence of a terrorist training camp or of any infrastructure damage.

Pakistan said it shot down two Indian planes and lost none of its own, but India said that it lost only one aircraft.

Published in Dawn, April 09th, 2019
 
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India accepted, IAF lost Mig 21 and 1 Pilot missing on the fist day itself, so why wouldn't it accept the other one, if there had been any ?

India did not accept its pilot being shot down until it was presented with the video. Before they denied it.

Only after the video was posted on social media (not the tea fantastic thing but the *** whooping by Kashmiris) the Indian MEA did their drama with a prepared statement and no questions.
 
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It took 7 mins using "Paint" a massively difficult software and here is the result and a much better and logical than what our Indian counterparts have made in 2 months. Anyone can make such diagrams this is no way a "IRREFUTABLE" evidence.


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