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The Worldwide Rise of Islamic Anti-Semitism

Solomon - Ok, we all get what you're preaching. But wait, what about the innate hatred built inside *majority* of jews towards EVERY other religion that is not Judaism, and EVERY OTHER person who's not a Jew?

At the very least, they do seem to regard everyone else as inferior. Or would you rather try to justify that most Jews are 'Moslem' / 'Christian' lovers, or at-least consider them to be cut from the same cloth? :whistle:
 
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"anti semitism" in muslims is nonsense ---the arabs are also "semites" ----talk in honest terms ---spell out the ppl you are talking out instead creating nonsense words to confuse ppl .....
the holocaust and inquisition did not happen in muslim societies ---- in fact he jews were given refuge in muslim lands ----devlet osmania etc.

the moderators should delete this thread and ban the person who started it
 
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"anti semitism" in muslims is nonsense ---the arabs are also "semites" ----talk in honest terms ---spell out the ppl you are talking out instead creating nonsense words to confuse ppl .....
the holocaust and inquisition did not happen in muslim societies ---- in fact he jews were given refuge in muslim lands ----devlet osmania etc.

the moderators should delete this thread and ban the person who started it

I rarely agree with any one. But you're spot on brother, however, not the banning part!

Everyone has the right to free speech and opinions!
 
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I was tempted to not even bother replying after I saw this fools name.
Both him and Pam Geller are two people that disgust me!
R.S. is a serious scholar but I think he likes neither Muslims nor Islam. Pamela is paranoid. I haven't figured out which one uses the other more and I'm not going to bother.

Israel pose no threat?
Please... spare me this BS.
Why wouldn't Iran or any other Muslim nation feel threatened?
Us Jews figure you feel threatened by your envy of God's blessing to us and the fact that as an independent source and judge of moral conduct we create anger in the hearts of the corrupt and criminal.

Even after it's creation Palestinian land started to disappear. Many were forced out of their homes.
Israel and the land for the Jews was originally a fraction of the land in Palestine. Most of the land belonged to Arabs.
But for some strange reason and God given right within a few months and years of it's independence Israel went on to controlling most of Palestine.
It's not my fault you won't study the true history of Palestine over the past century.

But after the world knew about Israel's nukes, why wouldn't Iran feel threatened?
The world suspected Israel had a nuclear weapons capability back in the early 1970s but only with the fall of the Shah did the world hear the chant, "Death to Israel! Death to the Little Satan!" And no, it doesn't take two to tango; it only takes one to decide to make war on someone else.


How is it fair that only Israel holds nukes in the region. Is it more responsible? No. They have displayed more aggression than anyone.
You're in la-la-land here, a place of sheer invention.

Their settlements in the West Bank and Gaza strip are a violation of international law reflected in Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
No, they're not, it doesn't apply there. What happened is that under international law in the 1920s Jews were given license to settle in the Mandate territories but in 1968 the PLO unilaterally declared such laws null and void and of course Arabs and Muslims blindly supported this since.

A 2004 "ruling" by the International Criminal Court is sometimes cited but as discussed in the "Palestinian Struggle" sticky this was an prosecutorial advisory opinion and the court's instructions were to ASSUME illegality on Israel's part.

Any country thinks they can disobey international law and get away with it without even a word said from the powers that govern the world.
That's why Pakistan is in trouble now. Under post-9/11 U.N. Security Council Resolution 1373 Pakistan has the binding sovereign obligation to eliminate terrorists, terror-training camps, terror havens, and terror financing from its territory. No enforcement => no sovereignty.

After all while I agree that antisemitism is on the rise among Muslims but you must admit that Islamophobia is on the rise among Jews and the West and the rate of the rise of islamophobia is far more alarming than this topic.
A "phobia" is an unreasonable fear of something. It is unreasonable to fear that a Jew is going to sneak up behind you and slit your throat, or that a Jew set off a truck bomb or support terrorists who attack Pakistanis. But it isn't unreasonable to think Pakistanis will do these things to Jews or Americans, seeing that a number have already done so or tried. So only Muslims like yourself have the "phobia", not Westerners.

Again this quote has been tampered with by Spencer.
Until you can give us the proper source Spencer's quote stands.

I don't agree with him, antisemitism is wrong and unjust however against the state of Israel I am all for it.
Antisemitism is bad but let's kill the Jews of Israel first. Nice! Seems A'jad speaks for you fine...how could I tell the difference?

I'd like a source for this quote.
Go to the original article; I didn't reproduce all the links. If you can't find it there email Mr. Spencer.

Not true Islam doesn't promote antisemitism. Israel's disgusting crimes do.
Arabs vowed to drive the Jews into the sea long before Israel was independent and long before they accused Jews of crimes.

If the above is true, how is it that for hundreds of years before British rule did Jews and Arabs peacefully co-exist in Palestine?
I recommend reading The Arabs and Zionism Before World War I by Neville J. Mandel.

Why not do something about the cause get rid of the crimes the Zionist Jews commit, make them obey international law.
Because the closer you look at the supposed "crimes" the less there is too see. Maybe you didn't start to grasp such things until you read this very post.

You're joking right?

So having a problem with the Chinese regime = Nice and Politically correct. (Fair enough).

Having a problem with the Israeli regime = Calling for the annihilation of an entire race of people?
That's how it works. You don't have to believe me; just ask them. I've witnessed this discussion between Chinese and Arab already.

At least be consistent. Israel and Iran surely are not friends, but the likelihood of the mutual annihilation of both populations is not high at all, certainly lower than the probability of a US-Russia nuclear exchange.
Sure, Israel is so much smaller the likelihood is that in a nuclear exchange between Israel and Iran only Israel would be destroyed; nothing "mutual" there.

what about the innate hatred built inside *majority* of jews towards EVERY other religion that is not Judaism, and EVERY OTHER person who's not a Jew?
I think the "innate" bit is a projection from your own culture; Judaism teaches that everyone can seek God within his or her own religion. In a way it's a lot easier for goyim than for Jews; you only have to obey the seven Noahide laws whereas Jews were given 613 laws to follow (not all of which are possible today). That's why many rabbis resist assisting would-be proselytes; they'd rather see a righteous gentile than a not-so-righteous Jew.

At the very least, they do seem to regard everyone else as inferior.
I would characterize it as distaste. "See, over there? There's a Muslim, he's nice, but he didn't do anything about the fact his leader killed a million Muslims on the other side of India" - for one of the Noahide Laws is to establish meaningful courts of law and of course Pakistanis let all their mass-murdering officers and soldiers off the hook.

If you want to change Jews' opinions of you, you need only act decently, not change your religion.

"anti semitism" in muslims is nonsense ---the arabs are also "semites" ---
I didn't invent the label, a German did over a hundred years ago when dissing Jews because of their religion was unacceptable so he denounced them on the basis of their race instead. So Jews are the only people meant to be referred to by the label "anti semitism".

the holocaust and inquisition did not happen in muslim societies -
Whoa, these are two different events, separated by distance and centuries. The Inquisition refers to lands under Spanish or Portuguese control from 1490-1848 or so. The Holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis did reach into the middle east; the Nazis had Arab accomplices who badgered the British into keeping Jewish immigration to Palestine at low levels during the pre-WWII years and whose leaders encouraged the Nazis to quicken the genocide of Jews after that. Millions of Jews thus died who otherwise would not have - something that needs to be weighed in the moral balance.
 
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Solomon2 is a Muslim hater, he justifies this by saying "you" hate me first -

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And no we don't hate Jews - this guy is a Jew - but speaks for truth and justice, you might try it some time Sol.
 
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And no we don't hate Jews - this guy is a Jew - but speaks for truth and justice, you might try it some time Sol.
Before you put too much of yourself in this guy you might want to examine his scholarship: link And since what he claims as "truth" is messed up, then by standing with him one can't really be standing for or speaking for justice.
 
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Most muslims unfortunately do hate Jews.

Thats primarly due to their upbringing when they are taught these ridicilous stereotypes of Jewish people.

I was lucky that my Grand father fought in World War II in North Africa. He was wounded there in Summer 1942 and taken captive by the Germans and spend 2.5 years in a German POW camp in Northern Italy. He saw the brutality of how Germans treated Jews and Soviet prisoners.

And also my dad visited the Soviet Union in the early 1980's and saw all the concentration camps, etc.

So I grew up in a household in which we did not tolerate racial hatred of anyone or stereotypes.

And I am all the better for it.
 
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Before you put too much of yourself in this guy you might want to examine his scholarship: link And since what he claims as "truth" is messed up, then by standing with him one can't really be standing for or speaking for justice.

His parents were in concentration camps - but he knows the colonial regime in the Occupied Territories is wrong - with the demographic time bomb, how will Israel justify controlling the lives of millions of people, who have virtually no say in their own country.
 
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I was lucky that my Grand father fought in World War II in North Africa. He was wounded there in Summer 1942 and taken captive by the Germans and spend 2.5 years in a German POW camp in Northern Italy.
I very much appreciate what your grandfather did - and what he and your dad witnessed. Thank you for quoting it here - and how your father used his experience to establish a worthy household.

His parents were in concentration camps - but he knows the colonial regime in the Occupied Territories is wrong -
His academic reputation is muck. It's sort of like what happens when an MP crosses over from one side of the hall to the other - he expects to be rewarded for being a turncoat. The fact he's an "As-a-Jew" shouldn't make his words or conduct any less immune to criticism.
 
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I very much appreciate what your grandfather did - and what he and your dad witnessed. Thank you for quoting it here - and how your father used his experience to establish a worthy household.

Thanks. Yeah, my Grand-dad fought in North Africa for over a year until he was hit by a German artillery or mortar and taken prisoner. The fragment shattered his knee and he had to use a cane to walk for the rest of his life.

Whenever I visit Pakistan I get into very heated arguments with my mom's family side who continue to parrot the conspiracy theories such as jews being responsible for 9/11, india behind all suicide bombings in Pakistan, etc.

I win all arguments because I use facts and history.

Its fun to see conspiracy lovers getting burned like that. :flame:
 
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I very much appreciate what your grandfather did - and what he and your dad witnessed. Thank you for quoting it here - and how your father used his experience to establish a worthy household.

His academic reputation is muck. It's sort of like what happens when an MP crosses over from one side of the hall to the other - he expects to be rewarded for being a turncoat. The fact he's an "As-a-Jew" shouldn't make his words or conduct any less immune to criticism.

Right -


A courageous man, who has had to defend himself against Zionist revenge. Trying to strangle his voice.
 
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His academic reputation is muck. It's sort of like what happens when an MP crosses over from one side of the hall to the other - he expects to be rewarded for being a turncoat. The fact he's an "As-a-Jew" shouldn't make his words or conduct any less immune to criticism.

Norman Finkelstein is a very educated man and all of his assertions are based on fact. He is a scholar in every sense. I have read his books and they are all factually correct. I have also attended his speeches as well.

But he is also very naive. His assertions are utopian which will never become reality. The World is a dark and dangerous place and thus there will be un-equality. Its a fact of life.

The fact that Arabs have not made peace with Israel after Israel offered to withdraw from Golan, West Bank, and Gaza after 1967 War when the Arabs famously refused Israel's offer in September 1967 is because Israelis are Jews. If Israelis were Christians, Shias or any other religion but Jews, Arabs would have long ago made peace with them.

But because they are Jews, they are simply unable to make peace with a group of people who they consider inferior.

And thus Israel needs a strong and powerful military backed with a nuclear deterrent to survive. Even though Arab governments might make peace with them, the Arab people will never will and will constantly wish to secretly destroy Israel.

And thats one of the reason I love about Israel. Its a great humbling experience of Arabs and Muslims.
 
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Mercenary thanks for admitting your allegiance with Zionism, in the long run - the Occupation will hurt Israel - she cannot remain a colonial power without damaging your society.

Nelson Mandela on Palestine

The International Day Of Solidarity With The Palestinian People (1997)
"The International Day Of Solidarity With The Palestinian People", Pretoria December 4th 1997
I have come to join you today to add our own voice to the universal call for Palestinian self-determination and statehood. We would be beneath our own reason for existence as government and as a nation, if the resolution of the problems of the Middle East did not feature prominently on our agenda.
When in 1977, the United Nations passed the resolution inaugurating the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian people, it was asserting the recognition that injustice and gross human rights violations were being perpetrated in Palestine. In the same period, the UN took a strong stand against apartheid; and over the years, an international consensus was built, which helped to bring an end to this iniquitous system.
We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.
 
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At the end all Jews will be wiped out by Jesus PBUH, Long Live Islam no there is no need of that statement cuz at the end whole population will be converted to Islam.
Only Need Long live Pakistan.
 
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Mercenary thanks for admitting your allegiance with Zionism, in the long run - the Occupation will hurt Israel - she cannot remain a colonial power without damaging your society.

Nelson Mandela on Palestine

The International Day Of Solidarity With The Palestinian People (1997)
"The International Day Of Solidarity With The Palestinian People", Pretoria December 4th 1997
I have come to join you today to add our own voice to the universal call for Palestinian self-determination and statehood. We would be beneath our own reason for existence as government and as a nation, if the resolution of the problems of the Middle East did not feature prominently on our agenda.
When in 1977, the United Nations passed the resolution inaugurating the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian people, it was asserting the recognition that injustice and gross human rights violations were being perpetrated in Palestine. In the same period, the UN took a strong stand against apartheid; and over the years, an international consensus was built, which helped to bring an end to this iniquitous system.
We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.


Typical Troll response from a person who lacks the intellect to grasp the geo-politics of the region. :cheesy:

At the end all Jews will be wiped out by Jesus PBUH, Long Live Islam no there is no need of that statement cuz at the end whole population will be converted to Islam.
Only Need Long live Pakistan.

But before the end happens, Israel has the most powerful military in the middle east and 400 Nuclear Weapons :D
 
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