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When the military carried out President Donald Trump’s order to kill Iran’s top general, some hardened veterans of the decadeslong U.S.-Iran shadow war were troubled.

"Gobsmacked," was the single-word reaction of a former CIA officer who spent a career working against the targeted general, Qassem Soleimani, an Iranian spy master who helped kill hundreds of Americans.


The immediate concern was that Trump's move — the first known targeted killing of a foreign government official in recent decades — could set in motion a full-scale war, one that could crater the global economy, kill untold numbers of people and leave the United States stuck in yet another Middle East quagmire.

That hasn't happened — at least not yet.

An NBC News review of the events surrounding the Soleimani strike and the Iranian response, based on interviews with more than a dozen participants, shows that Washington and Tehran were closer to war than was generally understood. The officials provided new details, including that U.S. intelligence platforms observed the Iranians moving ballistic missiles and scattering their naval forces after Soleimani was killed, potential signs of an impending attack. Officials said the Americans were bracing for strikes on U.S. troops in Iraq by bomb-laden drones.

The U.S. opted not to thwart the Iranian attack officials saw coming, and in the end, no Americans were killed when Iranian missiles struck U.S. positions, defusing the situation temporarily. But the two sides remain in a dangerous boxer’s clench, in which the smallest miscalculation, some officials believe, could lead to disaster. And American intelligence officials fully expect that Iran will pursue a further response, likely some sort of terrorist attack or assassination that doesn’t have obvious fingerprints.


This week, Brian Hook, the U.S. special representative for Iran, warned Soleimani’s replacement that he "will meet the same fate" if he kills Americans, and a top Iranian general responded that the U.S. will "definitely regret it" if the threats don’t cease.

Multiple current and former U.S. military commanders expressed concerns to NBC News that Trump — who campaigned on bringing American soldiers home from Middle East wars — may have become emboldened by the successes of the limited strikes he has ordered. Two former military officials said they worried that Trump — after the commando raid that killed the Islamic State militant group's leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, in Syria and the drone attack on Soleimani — may now become increasingly willing to pull the trigger, believing that military force can always be swift, decisive and relatively cost-free for the U.S. White House officials say Trump remains averse to commitments of ground troops, plans to bring many of them home and is determined to avoid a wider war.

A very small group of the most senior leaders had been looped into the plan to kill Soleimani, according to officials directly familiar with the matter. The consensus was that he presented the perfect target of opportunity — a middle-of-the-night missile strike in Iraq, not Iran, with a very low chance of civilian casualties. Military leaders knew the move would inflame tensions, but they believed Iran did not want a war. They saw this as a punch in the mouth that might just stun Iran into standing down, the officials said.

Trump agreed, a White House official said. In the president's mind, he was doing everything he could to avoid war.


"Believe it or not, we viewed the Soleimani strike as de-escalatory," the official said. "He was one guy, and the Iranian leaders knew what he was doing. They knew he was planning attacks on Americans."

A senior European intelligence official concurred, telling NBC News the strike "reset the calibration for the Iranians about the cost of doing business," and therefore may have reduced the risk of war, at least in the short term.

Following Soleimani's killing, Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley said, "We would have been culpably negligent to the American people had we not made the decision we made."

Trump believed he had to act to reestablish deterrence, the White House official said, because the Iranians had come to believe he would not use force. In December, rockets fired by an Iranian-backed militia killed an American contractor in northern Iraq. When the U.S. responded with airstrikes, Iranian-backed protesters swarmed the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, forcing diplomats into panic rooms.

On Dec. 29, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and Milley flew to Trump's Mar-a-Lago club for a meeting, at which the president authorized the U.S. response, officials said.

The president signed off on a number of targets. Soleimani was the most significant, but Trump also authorized a strike against Abdul Reza Shahlai, an Iranian operative in Yemen. That strike was not successful.

Trump also authorized the bombing of Iranian ships, missile launchers and air defense systems, officials said. Technically, the military can now hit those targets without further presidential authorization, though in practice, it would consult with the White House before any such action.

Military officials say they knew the Soleimani strike was a gamble that could lead to war, and so the Pentagon made preparations.


For the first time since the 1980s, a special rapid reaction force (now called the Immediate Response Force) of the fabled 82nd Airborne Division was deployed. Another group of paratroopers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade was activated and prepared to deploy to Lebanon. The USS Bataan was on hand in the Mediterranean Sea to be ready in case American civilians had to be evacuated from Lebanon.

Perhaps the most dangerous moments came three days after Soleimani was killed, when U.S. intelligence detected signs that Iran was preparing to launch ballistic missiles, multiple U.S officials said. Trump had already been given an intelligence assessment that one of Iran’s likely responses to the Soleimani killing would be to launch missiles at Iraqi bases hosting American troops, bases that were unprotected by any missile defense systems, current and former officials said.

"There was no means to intercept those ballistic missiles," said Bradley Bowman, of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a Washington think tank that takes a hard line on Iran.

As a result, Bowman said, the U.S. was forced to send the troops to bunkers. “The Department of Defense made the decision that these Patriots were better utilized elsewhere," Bowman said, referring to the air defense missiles. He added that wasn’t necessarily a bad idea because the U.S. military was conducting a counter-ISIS mission and the threat from ISIS was not missiles.


Three current and one former American officials said the U.S. has requested sending Patriot missiles back to the bases in Ain al-Asad and Irbil.

With no option to intercept the Iranian missiles, the other possibility would have been to preemptively attack the missile launchers inside Iran. Yet, the Pentagon never presented Trump with an option to bomb the launchers, an official directly familiar with the matter said — a move that would have ensured the weapons could not be used to kill Americans but might have prompted a wider conflict.

Another concern, officials said, was that Iran would send bomb-laden drones against U.S. forces in Iraq.

The U.S. also observed that Iran was scattering its navy ships, a move designed to make them harder to hit, several officials said. Iran frequently disperses its ships when it is preparing to attack or to defend against an attack. The U.S. military assesses it could cripple the Iranian navy in minutes and take it out completely in less than two days, according to three current and former military officials.


Killing Soleimani may have brought the U.S. closer to conflict with Iran than it has been in years. But tensions were very high between the two nations last summer, too, after Iran shot down a U.S. drone in June.

Hours after that shootdown, Trump decided to retaliate by striking military targets inside Iran. After a White House meeting in which Trump was briefed on retaliatory strikes, the president called Gen. Joseph Dunford, then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, according to multiple officials briefed on the meeting. Trump asked Dunford how many people could die if the U.S. struck inside Iran. Dunford said the estimates ran as high as 150. Trump said he believed that was too high a death toll in response to the destruction of an unmanned drone, the officials said.

Minutes before the attack was to proceed last summer, Trump called it off, to the relief of some U.S. military officials who worried a strike inside Iran could escalate quickly into a wider conflict, according to the officials.

After the Soleimani strike, which also killed other members of his convoy including the deputy head of an Iraqi anti-American militia, the U.S. sent a message to Iran through Swiss diplomats, threatening an overwhelming response if Iran went through with the retaliatory missile attacks, two U.S. officials said.


As they braced for possible missile or drone attacks by Iran, Americans took cover in bunkers at bases throughout Iraq, officials said. For several hours, military officials believed Iran would send drones to crash into bases, so they kept troops and civilians under cover and in body armor.

U.S. commanders in Iraq also were prepared for the possibility that bases could come under ground attack by pro-Iranian militias. To guard against that possibility, soldiers at the base said, some troops at Ain al-Asad stayed out of bunkers and instead patrolled the base. They faced significantly greater risks than those hunkered down in the concrete bunkers, which included heavily fortified shelters built during the era of the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

American early warning systems, including a special National Security Agency monitoring center, detected the Iranian missiles as they launched, so when the missiles hit, most troops had taken cover and there were few casualties. Some of the missiles landed in open fields. And while 64 service members suffered brain injuries, no American was killed, and Trump declared that "all is well."

Whether the Iranians intended to kill Americans is a matter of debate within the government. The CIA assesses that the missile strike was designed to minimize casualties, U.S. intelligence officials said. Analysts believe Iran knew the U.S. would see the preparations and detect the launch, and for good measure, Iran warned Iraq that the missiles were coming. CIA analysts believe the strike was a move by Iran’s rulers to show their people they had hit back, without further escalating the situation.

Military officials are less sure. They believe Iran did hope to kill some Americans, and that it was only because the early warning systems worked that nobody died, Milley has said.

But on this, nearly every U.S. official agrees: It was mostly luck that not a single American died, and the missile attack represented a huge gamble by Iran. Had they killed even a single U.S. soldier, Trump might have felt compelled to respond with a counterstrike.

In a statement, an Iranian government spokesman said its response was proportionate and no further escalation of hostilities is expected.

"Iran's response to the unlawful, brutal, and extrajudicial assassination of General Soleimani, a high ranking member of the official military apparatus of the Islamic Republic of Iran (that is not at war with any other nation), and a well-known anti-ISIS hero in the region, was proportionate and in accordance with international law in particular our inherent right to self-defense as enshrined in the U.N. Charter," the spokesman, Alireza Miryousefi, said.

"Iran, as a sovereign member nation of the U.N., does not anticipate any further escalation of hostilities, but is fully committed in defending its sovereignty, citizens and interests against any possible aggression.”

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Americans are dying Empire that’s why they trying to look though under the zio-neocon scumbag Trump. Iran hit his bases and many were injured and he said its all good despite the fact he said of our bases will be attached will attack back. As for killing of soleimani no sane person would believe he will come to Iraq himself if he was planning to attack the Americans himself while he could lead from Tehran because no one is stupid enough to go to enemy territory if he was planning to attack?!!. As for that zio-neocon scumbag he said he killed him to stop an attack then he said there was a threat but we don’t know what exactly was?!:lol:
 
No, Most of US Air force is not even in Iranians range,
This is false and shows you dont understand Iran's AD capabilities. Its actually the opposite- majority of US airforce is within range of Iran's AD if they get within range of engagement. BUt yes, US AF also has bombers and high flying drones that are often outside Iran's AD detection and engagement envelope.
the most Iran can do is attack few American Bases, Attack Few Ships and Target Soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan .
Iran can mine the PG
Iran can use AD to target USAF aircraft in the PG.
Iran can carry out kidnapping operations
iran can perform cyber attack capabilities(currently ranked 3rd of 4th best in the world)

In short, how can this be all Iran can do when US congress's yearly reports on Iran details a country with MANY military capabilities. What some of you see in Iran as inaction or incapability, is incorrect. you're just misreading Iran's strategic patience and logical reactions and timing as weakness or inability, which is not true.

I have been telling you all that the world has already changed. From Gaza to Afghanistan, suppression is no more completely effective or/and deterrent, it always has a bad blowback.

Nothing more Iran can do against the US
Maybe you are talking about Pakistan here, but Iran can do many things to the US. But Iran has to watch the threshold of US's tolerance. Iran is smart and disciplined enough not to give US easy and big reasons to do carpet bombing operations across Iran.
 
Keyword Iran Navy. Which is mostly frigates with limited defenses. The submarines will certainly survive. But most of the frigates will be damaged as they cannot defend themselves against a swarm of 100’s of anti ship cruise missiles.

But then their is the IRGC Navy and it’s hundreds if not thousands of speed boats. That’s a different story.

https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/iran-submarine-capabilities/
Iran Submarine Capabilities


Total Submarines in Fleet: 34 [2]

  • Ballistic Missile Submarines (SSBNs): 0
  • Nuclear-Powered attack submarines (SSNs): 0
  • Diesel-electric attack submarines (SSKs): 7
  • Mini Submarines (SSMs): 27
  • Air-independent propulsion (AIP) enabled: 0
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Seriously?
 
Wow, you are such a genius man. Where do you think they can park their AC so it stays outside of our missile range. While also staying close enough to Iran for the planes to be able to travel all the way in to Iran unnoticed, refuel mid air bomb Iran, then fly back to the AC. You watch too many movies.

Actually our Air Force fighters and bombers can take off from Diego Garcia along with a bunch of refueling tankers and easily make it to Iran and back. US Air Force planes fly around the world every day and do this all the time. This is nothing.
 
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Our Air Force fighters and bombers can take off from Diego Garcia along with a bunch of refueling tankers and easily make it to Iran and back. US Air Force planes fly around the world every day and do this all the time.
The keyword is at peace time.
 
How you planning on stopping it?? Even your missiles don't go this far.

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Yes,the problem with basing your air power nearly 4000kms away from the country that you`re attacking is that it greatly limits the number of sorties ie attacks,that you could generate.Effectively just to launch one single attack would require flying a distance of just over 7600kms,thats there and back of course.Now this might work for one single attack,tho at those ranges I think your chances of pulling off a surprise attack would be nil,but it completely rules out any ongoing air campaign of the desert storm type which is what you`d need to do any real lasting damage to an opponent like iran.
I also wouldnt be quite that confident of diego garcia remaining out of reach of iranian missiles either.The longest ranged missile that iran possesses,the khorramshahr,has possibly a 3000+kms range when carrying a standard 500kg warhead,however we dont know how much further a guided emad type warhead could reach if it was used for a hypersonic gliding extended range attack rather than a normal ballistic trajectory strike with extreme accuracy.We`ve already seen this principle used in the fateh 110 series of guided supersonic quasi ballistic missiles,the original fateh 110 had only a 300kms range but the separating guided warhead versions such as the zolfiqah extended that range to around 700kms,and the latest version of this weapon,the dezful,has extended this range even further to around 1000kms,which for a weapon like this is exceptional.
 
US needs a bogie man in the region to keep themselves relevant and sell their equipment. How the hell idiots will buy $100 billions worth of equipment from US, US and Europe needs to keep their Assembly line functional after their own orders are fulfilled.
To Iran, yes, but now they improvise their plan and created a even better deal and Iran has a specific role in it. A bogie man role.


The untold story behind Saudi Arabia’s 41-year secret debt
"...The goal: neutralise crude oil as an economic weapon and find a way to persuade a hostile kingdom to finance America’s widening deficit with its newfound petrodollar wealth. And according to Mr Parsky, the President made clear there was simply no coming back empty-handed. Failure would not only jeopardise America’s financial health but could also give the Soviet Union an opening to make further inroads into the Arab world..."

"...The basic framework was strikingly simple. The US would buy oil from Saudi Arabia and provide the kingdom military aid and equipment. In return, the Saudis would plough billions of their petrodollar revenue back into Treasuries and finance America’s spending..."

Unlike what you think there is no boogie man role, it's them that are working with americans so ameticans provide them security due to being dictator can't rely on their own people , it's obvious to see that Arabs are seeking American interests in every conflicts tacking place in the region .. be it in Qatar, Yemen, Iraq, Syria,Lebanon, Palestine or elsewhere you can find them serving american interest , No one has forced them to do what they are doing as no one can force anything upon Iran that is against our will/policy..
Secondly these threatened Arabs afraid of Iran had been buying huge amount of defense equipment from US even before Islamic revolution:

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Iran ain't the boogie man but the one that dares to poit out that the king is naked while all others just bow down .. this boogie man of your was attacked by same idiots you mentioned & lost 250 k people ...who is boogie man?
 
Their fighter jets can't reach our land from that distance

if you think all the 1000's of planes the US has based in the middle east or Afghanistan over the last 20 years got there by boat you are mistaken. They flew over using aerial refueling. I want to remind you they crossed oceans on the way from the US that were much wider.


USAF Refuelling Flight, Diego Garcia to Iraq & Back! French Rafale's, B52's F15E's Refuel

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Check out the coincidental distance from Hawaii to California...which has been flown millions of times. They know EXACTLY what it takes to smoothly do this.



They also bounce back and forth between Hawaii and Guam
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if you think all the 1000's of planes the US has based in the middle east or Afghanistan over the last 20 years got there by boat you are mistaken. They flew over using aerial refueling. I want to remind you they crossed oceans on the way from the US that were much wider.


USAF Refuelling Flight, Diego Garcia to Iraq & Back! French Rafale's, B52's F15E's Refuel

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Check out the coincidental distance from Hawaii to California...which has been flown millions of times. They know EXACTLY what it takes to smoothly do this.



They also bounce back and forth between Hawaii and Guam
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The KC-135 cant refuel in KSA or UAE ect. if there are no more air fields. They also cant fly far with refuel transport, only around 1500 miles. So if there are no more airfield in KSA or UAE ect., all other airfields are to far away for the air tankers to fulfill the mission.
 
Iranian military might does not hold a candle to American. Anybody who assume otherwise, is utterly deluded.

The KC-135 cant refuel in KSA or UAE ect. if there are no more air fields. They also cant fly far with refuel transport, only around 1500 miles. So if there are no more airfield in KSA or UAE ect., all other airfields are to far away for the air tankers to fulfill the mission.
There are over 500 airfields in the Middle East. How many can you strike at and disable? Not many even if you throw your entire arsenal of missiles at them.

A volley of 15 ballistic missiles - each armed with 1000 pound warhead - barely scratched Iraqi Al-Asad military base. The military base was completely operational.

Do the math.
 

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