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This paper is from May 2019 but of course every bit as valid as it was then. Authored by a former USA Marines intelligence officer and UN weapons inspector, now a journalist and book author. In other terms, the man rather tends to know what he's talking about.

Discover a rare balanced and realistic perspective from an informed American source on how USA military aggression against Iran would actually be more likely to play out than what mainstream NATO propaganda would have you believe.

Reading this you will once again come to understand the genius of the Islamic Republic's Leadership, under whose guidance Iran developed a powerful and efficient asymmetric defence doctrine thanks to which deterrence against the empire has successfully been established. This is the sort of feat few would have been capable of.



May 23, 2019

The U.S. Stands to Lose Much More Than a War With Iran

An invasion of the Strait of Hormuz would devastate the U.S. military, but it's America's position in the world that may never recover.

Scott Ritter / Truthdig Contributor


After much back-and-forth posturing by the Trump administration, book-ended by national security adviser John Bolton accelerating the planned deployments of an aircraft carrier battle group and a B-52 bomber task force to the Middle East, and President Trump commenting, “I hope not” when asked whether there would be a war, the American commander in chief threatened to destroy Iran on Sunday. “If Iran wants to fight,” Trump tweeted, “that will be the official end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again!”

Trying to pinpoint what prompted Trump to communicate what amounts to a genocidal threat is like reading tea leaves—more art than science. But after seeing his effort to isolate Iran diplomatically rejected by a united Europe, and learning from military leaders that a war with Iran would be far costlier and much more problematic than he originally thought, the president reverted to character, lashing out with apocalyptic fury against a nation that has frustrated his administration from its inception.

Trump has backed himself into a corner. The self-imagined dealmaker sincerely believed that by applying economic pressure on Iran, backed up with the threat of force, the Iranian government would come to the negotiation table and agree to a nuclear deal that denied it everything it had achieved through diplomacy with the Obama administration. Trump believed he could bully America’s allies in Europe to go along with him. And, in the end, when he asked his military leaders to provide him with options to forcefully compel Iran to bend to his will, Trump was told that nothing short of an all-out war, involving more than 500,000 troops, could provide the outcome he sought, and even then only at great cost. Trump had run on a platform that promised an end to costly wars of choice in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. If he pulled the trigger on Iran, his chances of reelection in 2020 would be all but eliminated.

The heart of Trump’s frustration lies with the military options he has been presented with, namely “OPLAN 1002.” Short for “operations plan,” OPLAN 1002 is the U.S. war plan for major military conflict in the Persian Gulf. If the current state of heightened tension with Iran were to explode into a military confrontation, it would be OPLAN 1002, or some iteration thereof, that U.S. military commanders would use to guide their operations, which could include neutralizing Iran’s nuclear infrastructure and securing the strategic Strait of Hormuz, through which about 18 million barrels of oil, which is 20% of global production, transits every day.

The issue of Iran’s nuclear capability has moved front and center after Trump’s fateful decision to withdraw from the Iranian nuclear deal last year and reimpose U.S. sanctions, including those on the sale of oil, Iran’s economic lifeblood. As a result, Iran has suspended certain aspects of the nuclear deal concerning the storage of heavy water and enriched uranium and is threatening to resume the enrichment of 20% enriched uranium, restart a heavy-water nuclear reactor and install advanced centrifuges. Moreover, if the U.S. moves to impede Iran’s ability to export oil, Iran has threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz to all traffic. For its part, the U.S. has promised to keep the Strait of Hormuz open through military action.

Vice Admiral Jim Malloy, commander of the U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet, embodies the arrogance that infects senior American military leadership when it comes to the issue of securing the Strait of Hormuz. His command recently assumed operational control of the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier battle group, diverted to the Middle East as part of America’s military buildup against Iran. Addressing the question of whether the carrier battle group would remain in the Arabian Sea, where it currently operates, or if it would transit the strait and operate in the Persian Gulf, Malloy told reporters, “If I need to bring it inside the strait, I will do so. I’m not restricted in any way, I’m not challenged in any way, to operate her anywhere in the Middle East.”

Except he is, even if he won’t admit it. In the event of an all-out war with Iran, the USS Abraham Lincoln has about an 80% chance of survival while operating in the Arabian Sea provided its neither launching nor recovering aircraft at the time. (Iran could still locate and target the carrier group using its own surveillance assets and ballistic missiles, although the freedom of movement afforded by the Arabian Sea offers a measure of protection from attack.)

Operating inside the Persian Gulf is a whole different ballgame. Iran would overwhelm the Abraham Lincoln’s battle group with swarms of small boats, submarines, drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, the carrier’s maneuverability and operational flexibility limited by its exposure to Iran’s lengthy coastline and the Gulf’s shallow waters. Such an operation would reduce the battle group’s odds of survival to about 20%; its chances of sustaining combat operations against Iran while operating in the Persian Gulf are virtually nil.

The vulnerability of the USS Abraham Lincoln and its eponymously named battle group is ultimately part and parcel of the larger issue of America’s ability to project military power in the region today. The threat posed by Iran’s military is unlike anything the U.S. has had to confront since the end of the Cold War; it most certainly has not faced anything like it in terms of sophistication and capacity during the 18-year global War on Terror that has dominated military planning since the terrorist attacks of 9/11. OPLAN 1002 was designed for a major military conflict involving modern combined arms operations. And yet, for the past two decades, the U.S. has been involved exclusively in low-intensity counterinsurgency warfare, fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, as well as Shi’a militia, Sunni tribesmen and the Islamic State in both Iraq and Syria.

The U.S. Marine Corps, which bears the brunt of the responsibility for securing the Strait of Hormuz through its amphibious warfare capability, is no longer capable of conducting the kind of forcible entry operations required to fulfill this mission. In short, the requirements set forth by OPLAN 1002 are unattainable for much, if not all, of the U.S. military today. Any conflict with Iran based upon the assumptions and requirements set forth in OPLAN 1002 would most probably result in an American defeat brought about not by Iran prevailing militarily, but by the U.S. being unable to accomplish its objectives, leaving Iran intact and defiant.

OPLAN 1002 is a war plan that has been decades in the making. When I entered active duty with the Marine Corps in 1984, the U.S. had just transitioned from the Carter-era Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force, formed in 1980 to secure the Persian Gulf from a Soviet attack or subversion and insurrection conducted by a Soviet proxy or regional ally, to a dedicated combat command known as U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM. I was assigned to the 7th Marine Amphibious Brigade, which operated as the Marine Corps component of the Rapid Deployment Force, in which my first assignment was to update the intelligence annex to OPLAN 1002. That summer, I participated in a major command post exercise conducted by I MAF (First Marine Amphibious Force), the higher headquarters for 7th MAB, in which we put OPLAN 1002 into practice, inserting (via a map-based study) a large Marine combat force into Iran for the purpose of moving inland and engaging an invading Soviet force.

Among the first things that struck me were the limitations on U.S. forcible entry capability. One of our planning assumptions was that Iran would be a passive partner in our operations, meaning we would be able to make entry to the port cities of Chah Bahar (on the Arabian Sea coast) and Bandar Abbas (astride the Strait of Hormuz) unopposed. In preparing the intelligence annex, I had noted it was highly unlikely the Iranians would behave in such a manner, and that we should be prepared to conduct full-scale forcible entry operations. The problem was that we didn’t have the capacity to project and sustain meaningful military power ashore in a contested environment, and even if we did, our combat power would be so depleted by dealing with the Iranian threat that there would be nothing left to confront an invading Soviet force. Since our mission was to deter Soviet aggression, we manufactured planning assumptions such as a passive Iranian host to make the exercise possible.

Even with the Iranians standing by, the logistical challenges of moving personnel and equipment ashore were astronomical. Simply put, we had to artificially slow down the Soviet advance, and limit Soviet interdiction operations, so we could off-load the ships. Even then, we ignored real-world issues such as narrow shipping lanes, congestion, lack of port facilities, etc. Had this been a real-world contingency, our shipping would have experienced a traffic jam into the Iranian ports that would have made them a sitting duck for any determined opponent; any sabotage or successful attack on the port itself would have made transitioning personnel, equipment and material from ship to shore impossible.

In August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the U.S. was called upon to implement OPLAN 1002, this time in response to a regional threat in the Arabian Peninsula. In this iteration, however, the U.S. was able to make extensive (and exclusive) use of friendly Aerial and Sea Ports of Debarkation (i.e., airfields and ports under the control of friendly forces), which allowed for the uncontested and unimpeded flow of personnel and material into the Persian Gulf and ashore in Saudi Arabia. Even under these permissive conditions, it still took months to get enough combat power deployed into the Persian Gulf to make offensive operations feasible.

For the Marine Corps, and to a lesser extent the Navy, the battleplan adopted by General Norman Schwarzkopf, the commander of CENTCOM, was a disappointment. There would be no amphibious assaults against Iraq. Rather, two Marine divisions and accompanying Marine air wings would be deployed ashore in a manner that mimicked the employment of U.S. Army and Air Force assets. Moreover, the assignment given to the Marines—assaulting the teeth of the Iraqi defenses to “fix” them in place while the U.S. Army conducted a sweeping flanking operation—was considered suicidal. General Al Gray, the commandant of the Marine Corps, created a special “ad hoc study team,” reporting to Maj. Gen. Matthew Caulfield, the commander of the Marine Corps Warfighting Center, in Quantico, Virginia, to develop alternative courses of action for the employment of Marine combat units. Because of my experience with 7th MAB, I was assigned to the team as its intelligence officer.

After considering several options, the team settled on a bold division-sized amphibious assault on the Al Faw peninsula, which would advance inland and seize the Iraqi logistics hub of Az Zubair. One of the more innovative aspects of this plan, known by the code name “Operation Tiger,” was the employment of existing roll-on, roll-off (Ro-Ro) shipping as improvised causeways, allowing for the rapid transfer of combat-ready forces from ship to shore. This bypassed the need for the kind of port infrastructure usually required to offload a division-sized assault force. OPLAN 1002 called for a division-sized force being able to be projected ashore at D-Day plus 12 (i.e., 12 days after the initial assault); Operation Tiger envisioned a division-sized force ashore at D-Day plus one, with Az Zubair captured by D-Day plus 4.

While Operation Tiger received the enthusiastic endorsement of Caulfield, Gray and Headquarters Marine Corps, its unconventional approach to amphibious operations proved too much for Schwarzkopf and his CENTCOM planning staff, who were married to their operational concept. There would be no amphibious forcible entry operations during Operation Desert Storm. (As a footnote, I was approached by the chief of staff of CENTCOM Special Operations Command to adapt aspects of Operation Tiger so that Arab coalition forces could be rapidly moved into Kuwait City; concerns over Iraqi mines and casualties ended this effort as well.)

The next adaptation of OPLAN 1002 came in 2003, when U.S. forces were deployed to the Persian Gulf (again, using friendly aerial and seaports of debarkation in Kuwait) to participate in the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq. The forces deployed in support of the Iraqi invasion (192,000 U.S. forces, accompanied by 45,000 British and a few thousand other coalition forces) were considerably less than the 750,000 U.S. forces deployed during Operation Desert Storm. Even so, it took several months for these forces to be assembled and equipped for combat operations under permissive conditions. (Of note, the only amphibious assault conducted during the invasion was done by the British, who took four days to secure the Al Faw peninsula using two battalions of Royal Marines facing light resistance.)

Despite the massive size of its annual budget, the U.S. military today is but a shadow of its former self when it comes to amphibious operations. The U.S. Marines are not able to conduct brigade-sized forcible entry operations except under ad hoc conditions, and even then, only against a lightly held objective. Any notion of landing Marines on a contested shore in Iran is suicidal. And yet any plan to secure the Strait of Hormuz would require the seizure of Iranian-held islands located in the strait, the port city of Bandar Abbas, and the entire Iranian coastline along the strait inland to depths of up to 50 kilometers. This mission far exceeds the operational capacity and capability of the Marine Corps. Airpower alone cannot accomplish this objective either; as previously discussed, the U.S. aircraft carriers will be operating under duress, reducing effectiveness, and U.S. airbases in the region will be under near continuous Iranian ballistic missile attack, resulting in their closure or reduced effectiveness.

The biggest threat facing any U.S. force assembled in the region will come from Iran’s ballistic missiles. During the Gulf War, I was involved in the campaign to hunt down and destroy Iraqi ballistic missiles that were being fired at targets in Israel and the Arabian Peninsula. We enjoyed virtual air supremacy and were able to dedicate thousands of sorties in support of the counter-missile campaign. Special operations teams were inserted on the ground inside Iraq to assist in this effort. At the end of the day, not a single Iraqi missile launcher was destroyed by coalition forces. Today, in Yemen, the Houthi rebels use ballistic missiles to attack Saudi Arabian targets. Again, the Saudi Air Force, operating with total impunity (and supported by U.S. intelligence, which provides targeting support), has been unable to prevent the Houthi from launching missiles. Mobile relocatable targets such as the vehicle-mounted ballistic missiles employed by Iran will be virtually impossible to stop; any operation against Iran can anticipate continuous attacks from Iranian ballistic missiles for the duration of the conflict.

The version of OPLAN 1002 being discussed at the Pentagon today is a limited-scope operation involving some 120,000 troops. This force would have minimal forcible entry capability, and instead be geared toward conducting an air campaign designed to neutralize Iran’s nuclear infrastructure while securing the Strait of Hormuz; as such, most of the forces involved would be deployed to regional airbases and aboard U.S. Navy ships. As has already been discussed, this force will not be able to accomplish its mission of securing the Strait of Hormuz, which means that all oil shipments transiting the strait will be halted. Moreover, the Houthi drone attack against Saudi oil pumping stations (using Iranian drones) has shown that the totality of the oil-producing infrastructure in the region is vulnerable to interdiction. As such, any military operation against Iran will result in the near total shutdown of oil exportation from the Gulf Arab states, which will have a devastating impact on the economy of the U.S., Europe and the rest of the world.

This modified OPLAN 1002 will most likely make heavy use of airpower, including both air- and sea-launched cruise missiles. While the U.S. can launch several hundred cruise missiles a day against Iranian targets, this number is virtually meaningless. Iran has spent decades preparing for a war with the U.S. and has studied American weaponry to a degree that is perhaps unappreciated in the West. Iran has in its possession intact examples of U.S. cruise missiles recovered from battlefields in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan (as well as from scores of missiles that flew off course and landed on Iranian soil.) Russia has shared with Iran radar and electronic intelligence on the U.S. cruise missiles, and Iran’s air defenses are prepared to engage. Likewise, Iran has been carefully monitoring U.S. air operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria and has collected similarly in-depth intelligence on U.S. aircraft and air-delivered munitions. The successful Iranian operation to hijack an American RQ-170 stealth drone over Afghanistan and divert it to Iran, where it was taken under control and reverse-engineered by Iranian scientists, stands as an example of Iran’s capabilities in this regard.

It will take the U.S. weeks, if not months, to deploy enough air power into the region to sustain a meaningful air campaign against Iran. During this time, Iran will disperse its forces to remote sites, many of which are underground and impervious to attack. U.S. cruise missiles, costing some $1.4 million each, will be destroying empty buildings, while U.S. aircraft will have to fly in contested airspace for the first time this century, decreasing operational efficiency while suffering casualties in terms of downed aircraft and aircrew that could very well prove to be unsustainable. Any attempt to militarily engage Iran with a force level of 120,000 troops would be sheer folly and doomed to fail. This does not mean Iran will escape destruction—far from it. U.S. aircraft will reach their targets, and U.S. munitions will be employed with great effect. Iran’s civil and industrial infrastructure will be devastated, and tens of thousands of Iranian civilians would be killed. But the U.S. air campaign will not defeat the Iranian military, which will not only defend Iranian territory but also strike out against U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf region, as well as military and industrial targets, including oil and gas infrastructure, of any nation providing assistance to the American war effort.

The bottom line is that any military engagement of Iran based upon the force structure supported by the 120,000-troop figure cited by the media cannot, and will not, result in a victory for the United States. Moreover, by initiating an armed conflict with such limited resources, the U.S. could very well be setting itself up for defeat. Iran has the capability to sink U.S. naval vessels, shoot down U.S. aircraft and destroy airbases supporting U.S. air operations. Iranian-backed militias in Syria and Iraq could very easily overrun U.S. military bases in those two countries, annihilating the garrisons based there. U.S. airpower that would normally be employed to defend these garrisons would be tied down in supporting operations over Iran.

President Trump has dismissed the reports citing the plan to deploy 120,000 U.S. troops to the Persian Gulf as “fake news,” noting that if he were to engage Iran militarily, he would use “a hell of a lot more troops than that.” This is closer to the truth. OPLAN 1002, in its current iteration (which is derived from realistic calculations regarding actual force availability), probably envisions up to 500,000 U.S. troops for any full-scale war with Iran. This number would support an actual invasion of Iran, which would probably be conducted from bases in Azerbaijan and from a beachhead established at Chah Bahar, on the coast of the Arabian Sea.

There are three major problems with any “massive intervention” operation against Iran. First and foremost, it would effectively denude U.S. forces worldwide, meaning the U.S. would lack any meaningful military capacity to respond to crises in Europe or the Pacific. Second, it would require significant regional support, including from Turkey, Georgia and Azerbaijan, which is highly problematic. Even here there would be no guarantee of an American victory. Iran was behind the successful resistance of Hezbollah against Israel in August 2006, and there is every reason to believe Iran has prepared a defense designed to lure any invading force deep into its territory, and then cut it off and destroy it. While the defeat of the U.S. military on the battlefield is an unlikely outcome, denying the U.S. an outright victory is a distinct possibility.

This is the reality that confronts Trump as he wrestles with the consequences of his hyper-aggressive policy posture toward Iran. Having embraced a policy of “maximum pressure” designed to compel Iran into foregoing its nuclear program, Trump is now confronted with the harsh fact his policy has failed, and the consequences of this failure could very well mean an Iran with increased nuclear capability, with the U.S. unable to build a coalition capable of reining it in. Trump has, for the moment, put the brakes on any precipitous rush toward war with Iran, instructing the Defense Department not to provoke a confrontation. However, he still must deal with European anger over the U.S. policy of economic sanctions targeting Iran and the detrimental impact of his decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal.

In the spring of 2018, Trump ignored the advice of his then-secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, and then-national security adviser H.R. McMaster to stick with the Iran nuclear deal. Instead, he replaced both with Mike Pompeo and John Bolton respectively, each of whom advised Trump to withdraw from that agreement, thereby setting the U.S. on its current policy course regarding Iran. Trump ran for president on a platform he would not only get the U.S. out of its seemingly endless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but avoid any similar misadventures. He could easily be facing Joe Biden in the 2020 election, and the last thing he wants to do is offset the former vice president’s politically damaging support for the Iraq war by getting the U.S. bogged down in a similarly disastrous conflict in Iran—especially one so clearly a product of Trump’s own political miscalculations.

There remains the possibility Trump will back away from his threat to eliminate Iran as a nation state and instead focus his efforts on sustaining the current economic boom upon which his bid for reelection hinges. Iran is not looking for a fight, but neither is it willing to accede to the unrealistic demands placed on it by the Trump administration regarding its nuclear program and regional presence. By raising the specter of an all-or-nothing confrontation, however, Trump is creating the conditions for a self-fulfilling prophecy, one in which he will get the war he claims not to want while costing him the second term he claims he does. But the demise of Donald Trump’s political ambition is the least of the casualties of such a policy. A war with Iran will cost America tens of thousands of casualties, while killing or wounding hundreds of thousands of Iranians. Any U.S. victory would be pyrrhic in nature, crippling the U.S. and global economies while further diminishing America’s already diminished position in the world.

But, perhaps most important, it would be a war that, if America’s experience with OPLAN 1002 tells us anything, we may not win—at least not in a conventional sense. The prospect of an American invasion force stalled in the deserts of Iran, surrounded by a hostile population and under continuous attack, is very real, and meets the “extreme circumstances to defend the vital interests of the United States, its allies and partners” threshold for the employment of nuclear weapons as set forth in the 2018 Nuclear Posture Review published by the Department of Defense.

It is this reality that may have prompted Trump’s threat to “end” Iran—a madman’s lashing out in frustration at a world that refuses to behave as he desires, and therefore must be destroyed as a result.

 
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US will HYPE hostile states beyond measure in their disclosures. This is a tactic to feed American Military Industrial Complex (MIC) so it can continue to develop more capable weapons and make American war machine better than before as well as sell arms to numerous countries.

Take a look:



As the saying goes:


Iranian military capability is reasonable for a regional power but it has significant capability gaps and weaknesses when compared to American military capability on a technical level, but hype sells. The art of deception continues to work.
 
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Right now their main concern is keeping China contained. Which isn't going very well. Iran is a sideshow.

It looks like Saudi Arabia is drifting towards China and soon Iran won't even be the main sideshow anymore

US will HYPE hostile states beyond measure in their disclosures. This is a tactic to feed American Military Industrial Complex (MIC) so it can continue to develop more capable weapons and make American war machine better than before as well as sell arms to numerous countries.

Take a look:



As the saying goes:


Iranian military capability is reasonable for a regional power but it has significant capability gaps and weaknesses when compared to American military capability on a technical level, but hype sells. The art of deception continues to work.

Yeah it's not even funny anymore, China keeps magically winning in all American simulations, despite USN and USAF being still way ahead of PLA.
 
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US will HYPE hostile states beyond measure in their disclosures. This is a tactic to feed American Military Industrial Complex (MIC) so it can continue to develop more capable weapons and make American war machine better than before as well as sell arms to numerous countries.

Take a look:



As the saying goes:


The USA regime is not hyping Iranian military capabilities, they're minimizing them.

As an example, Iran's arsenal of ballistic missiles has systematically been under-estimated in size by Washington spokespersons. Another example, former USA "Special Representative for Iran" Brian Hook infamously claimed Iran is "photoshopping" images of missiles launches and passing off "antiquated aircraft" as "advanced stealth fighters" (both these claims are factually incorrect).

https://sputnikglobe.com/20190608/brian-hook-iran-deception-1075734330.html

The pattern is that after each successful military operation by Iran or allies, the regime in Washington as well as western "defence pundits" proceed to incrementally adjusting their discourse so as to take into account the now undeniable, for concretely and widely evidenced reality. Routinely expressed doubts about the precision of Iranian-made ballistic missiles for instance were shelved once and for all in 2019 following the BM strike on the American-occupied airbase at Ain al-Assad, Iraq. Not that prior proof was lacking, Iran having demonstrated similar feats under Operation Laylat al-Qadr targeting "I"SIS strongholds in Syria's Deir ez-Zur in June 2017 and other cases but unlike the latter, Ain al-Assad was far more talked about in mainstream media, thus denial in bad faith was no longer an option.

The American author of the shared article by the way is a dissident former military officer entirely blacklisted by mainstream media, whose analyses including on Iran never receive widespread coverage and sharply contrast with official assessments of the USA regime.

Iranian military capability is reasonable for a regional power but it has significant capability gaps and weaknesses when compared to American military capability on a technical level, but hype sells.

Iranian military capability is sufficient to drive up the anticipated cost (political, economical, military) of all out war for the USA regime to the point of creating deterrence against such a form of aggression. Iran's asymmetric defence doctrine is specifically tailored to that effect, I don't think anyone suggested there's parity of forces between the two sides.

There are various regional powers with about the same volume and technological sophistication of firepower, but Iran is far better better suited than any of these to successfully resist an attack by the USA because her entire arms procurement, tactics and strategy are specially designed to neutralize the superior force that is the American military, based on decades of careful observation and study of the USA's way of warfighting, whereas other regional-level powers never prepared for conflict against NATO.

Proof is in the pudding, namely the fact that Washington has refrained from such an undertaking, even though Iran challenged and damaged its interests to a far greater extent than Saddam's Iraq could possibly have ever achieved, in fact Iran has topped since 1979 the USA's list of adversaries in West Asia so one would think that if suppressing Iran militarily was simple and cost-effective, then NATO would rather not have waited forty four long years for the Islamic Revolution to constantly cement its foundations and expand its reach. For naysayers, the most common way out of this logical conundrum resides in baseless conspiracy theories alleging "behind the scenes complicity" between Iran and the USA.

The art of deception continues to work.

Western media deliberately blew out of proportion Iraq's strength in the autumn of 1990 for one precise reason: in the consecutive winter, Iraq was attacked. There were actual plans for war and that is why said narrative was aired in the first place.

A contrario Iran's power is understated considering how the enemy is deterred from launching military aggression and feels compelled to compensate through propaganda and psychological means, so that the reasons for Washington's extreme hesitance to bomb Iran are obfuscated. In a way one might say the art of deception continues to work indeed, just not in the same context nor for the same goals.
 
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In 2012 USA sent aircraft carriers by pairs to Hormuz, one of them one year before retirement.
So USA knew that Iran could sink it and they wanted a excuse.

You can guess what will happen if Iran sank a USA carrier, nukes use will be acceptable and WWIII will start.



 
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Americans should bring at least 2 million soldiers to middle east for attacking Iran. (i don't think they can do this because of their economy and people )

Their soldiers and equipments are easy targets for iran now.

They know it and also we know it.
 
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The USA regime is not hyping Iranian military capabilities, they're minimizing them.

As an example, Iran's arsenal of ballistic missiles has systematically been under-estimated in size by Washington spokespersons. Another example, former USA "Special Representative for Iran" Brian Hook infamously claimed Iran is "photoshopping" images of missiles launches and passing off "antiquated aircraft" as "advanced stealth fighters" (both these claims are factually incorrect).

https://sputnikglobe.com/20190608/brian-hook-iran-deception-1075734330.html

In fact the pattern is that after each successful military operation by Iran or allies, the regime in Washington as well as western "defence pundits" proceed to incrementally adjusting their discourse so as to take into account the now undeniable, for concretely and widely evidenced reality. Routinely expressed doubts about the precision of Iranian-made ballistic missiles for instance were shelved once and for all in 2019 following the BM strike on the American-occupied airbase at Ain al-Assad, Iraq. Not that prior proof was lacking, Iran having demonstrated similar feats under Operation Laylat al-Qadr targeting "I"SIS strongholds in Syria's Deir ez-Zur in June 2017 and other cases but unlike the latter, Ain al-Assad was far more talked about in mainstream media, thus denial in bad faith was no longer an option.
US has global surveillance apparatus and can see Iranian tests and experiments from a distance. Those in Pentagon would have a fairly good idea of Iranian military capability. But these people will not provide sensitive information.

Recall Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) simulation? USN simulated two different scenarios in MC02 to see how USN will fare in both. USN lost in scenario 1 when it employed questionable tactics - exposed its ships in Iranian coastal waters. But USN prevailed in scenario 2 when it changed its tactics and acted according to its strengths.

Iranian attack on Ayn al-Asad Airbase in Iraq certainly showed that Iranian ballistic missile technology has improved.


But Iraqi military installations are exposed due to lack of sophisticated defenses.
Ayn al-Asad Airbase was an easy and convenient target.

Even though US assassinated Iranian general Qasem Soleimani, Iranian leadership chose to retaliate in limited manner. Iranian leadership understands that its options are limited when up against the US but PDF Iranians do not seem to.

The American author of the shared article by the way is a dissident former military officer entirely blacklisted by mainstream media, whose analyses including on Iran never receive widespread coverage and sharply contrast with official assessments of the USA regime.
US seems to acknowledge Iran as a significant regional challenge, but this man is making ridiculous claims.

Following is a fairly instructive assessment of Iranian defenses:


But even this assessment seems to underestimate what the US can do.

My contentions:

Vice Admiral Jim Malloy, commander of the U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet, embodies the arrogance that infects senior American military leadership when it comes to the issue of securing the Strait of Hormuz. His command recently assumed operational control of the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier battle group, diverted to the Middle East as part of America’s military buildup against Iran. Addressing the question of whether the carrier battle group would remain in the Arabian Sea, where it currently operates, or if it would transit the strait and operate in the Persian Gulf, Malloy told reporters, “If I need to bring it inside the strait, I will do so. I’m not restricted in any way, I’m not challenged in any way, to operate her anywhere in the Middle East.”

Except he is, even if he won’t admit it. In the event of an all-out war with Iran, the USS Abraham Lincoln has about an 80% chance of survival while operating in the Arabian Sea provided its neither launching nor recovering aircraft at the time. (Iran could still locate and target the carrier group using its own surveillance assets and ballistic missiles, although the freedom of movement afforded by the Arabian Sea offers a measure of protection from attack.)

Operating inside the Persian Gulf is a whole different ballgame. Iran would overwhelm the Abraham Lincoln’s battle group with swarms of small boats, submarines, drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, the carrier’s maneuverability and operational flexibility limited by its exposure to Iran’s lengthy coastline and the Gulf’s shallow waters. Such an operation would reduce the battle group’s odds of survival to about 20%; its chances of sustaining combat operations against Iran while operating in the Persian Gulf are virtually nil.

Why would an American Carrier Battle Group (CBG) would operate inside the Persian Gulf while confronting Iran? This is akin to replicating MC02 scenario 1, which USN will not do. You are mistaking Freedom of Navigation movements for battle tactics.

American CBG can do its job in open waters. Tomahawk cruise missiles can reach any target across Iran. American aircraft are very advanced and can take out any target across Iran. These technologies made a mockery of all manner of defenses that were established in Syria.





Iranian assets are also exposed in Syria:

Nevertheless, Iran can hardly feel secure with its current defensive position. Despite the demonstrated potential, Iran’s ability to deter its enemies is showing some real strain. Iran’s counterstrike capabilities have been unable to prevent the intensifying Israeli airstrikes on Iranian military and intelligence assets in Syria, the U.S. January 2020 assassination of General Soleimani, the persistent and assassination sabotage campaign within Iran, and the heavy sanctions and economic pressure on the country. Furthermore, had the Iranian missile strikes on U.S. bases led to dead U.S. troops, the likelihood would have been very high that Washington would have retaliated with strikes on Iran’s territory. All these show that there are real limits to the success of Iran’s ability to deter hostile action, which will further drive Iran to shore up its asymmetric capabilities as this approach remains the most promising and feasible despite its issues.

Iran attempted to build its own defenses in Syria but:


Iran has lost some of its air defense system parts that were shipped to Syria to Israeli strikes in fact.

So threat posed by Iranian military is greater than Russian military? Absolutely...

The U.S. Marine Corps, which bears the brunt of the responsibility for securing the Strait of Hormuz through its amphibious warfare capability, is no longer capable of conducting the kind of forcible entry operations required to fulfill this mission. In short, the requirements set forth by OPLAN 1002 are unattainable for much, if not all, of the U.S. military today. Any conflict with Iran based upon the assumptions and requirements set forth in OPLAN 1002 would most probably result in an American defeat brought about not by Iran prevailing militarily, but by the U.S. being unable to accomplish its objectives, leaving Iran intact and defiant.

US Marine Corps is being revisited and its kinetic options are being expanded with a new range of weapons.


US Marine Corps is better equipped than armed forces of many countries around the world, let alone US Army.

USN can soften Iranian defenses from a distance and US Marine Corps can cut through the leftovers in case of war. This is not difficult to understand.

The vulnerability of the USS Abraham Lincoln and its eponymously named battle group is ultimately part and parcel of the larger issue of America’s ability to project military power in the region today. The threat posed by Iran’s military is unlike anything the U.S. has had to confront since the end of the Cold War; it most certainly has not faced anything like it in terms of sophistication and capacity during the 18-year global War on Terror that has dominated military planning since the terrorist attacks of 9/11. OPLAN 1002 was designed for a major military conflict involving modern combined arms operations. And yet, for the past two decades, the U.S. has been involved exclusively in low-intensity counterinsurgency warfare, fighting Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan, as well as Shi’a militia, Sunni tribesmen and the Islamic State in both Iraq and Syria.

As if US has not fought a war before 2001?

US-led forces confronted Yugoslavia in 1999 and Iraq in 1991. Iraq had fought a war with Iran and created a ballistic missile force of its own. Iraq used its ballistic missile force to attack military targets in Saudi Arabia and civilian targets in Israel - these strikes were able to score hits and inflict losses.

The War On Terror was also instructive to US on many counts. US has fought a war in Afghanistan (Al-Qaeda Network; ISIS-K; Taliban groups), Iraq (Saddam regime with Iraqi armed forces; Iraqi rebels; ISIL), Libya (Gaddafi regime with Libyan armed forces), and Syria (ISIL; Russian Wagner with Syrian armed forces) - different environments and different enemies. American troops have fought opposing forces in deserts, forests, rivers, villages, cities, mountains, caves, and even in locations that were supposed to be off-limits. These experiments are a means to an end. Combat experience provides valuable insight for how to train troops, develop more capable weapons, and come up with battle doctrines that will work when the time comes. US have had the opportunity to develop and test different types of weapons and operational doctrines in a number of countries Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Syria, and Yemen.

Iranian troops have fought ISIL and Syrian rebels in Iraq and Syria, but the bulk of fighting was with support of Iranian allies such as Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq and Hezbollah, Assad regime with Syrian armed forces, and Russian armed forces in Syria. This is instructive experience but Iran could not topple regimes, occupy countries, and defeat significant adversaries on its own - not even close. Iranian model of warfare is asymmetric to large extent.

Granted that Iran has developed a larger and more capable ballistic missile force than any country in the Middle East, but US have developed excellent air defense systems in response - a level playing field.

PLAN 1002 is a war plan that has been decades in the making. When I entered active duty with the Marine Corps in 1984, the U.S. had just transitioned from the Carter-era Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force, formed in 1980 to secure the Persian Gulf from a Soviet attack or subversion and insurrection conducted by a Soviet proxy or regional ally, to a dedicated combat command known as U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM. I was assigned to the 7th Marine Amphibious Brigade, which operated as the Marine Corps component of the Rapid Deployment Force, in which my first assignment was to update the intelligence annex to OPLAN 1002. That summer, I participated in a major command post exercise conducted by I MAF (First Marine Amphibious Force), the higher headquarters for 7th MAB, in which we put OPLAN 1002 into practice, inserting (via a map-based study) a large Marine combat force into Iran for the purpose of moving inland and engaging an invading Soviet force.

Among the first things that struck me were the limitations on U.S. forcible entry capability. One of our planning assumptions was that Iran would be a passive partner in our operations, meaning we would be able to make entry to the port cities of Chah Bahar (on the Arabian Sea coast) and Bandar Abbas (astride the Strait of Hormuz) unopposed. In preparing the intelligence annex, I had noted it was highly unlikely the Iranians would behave in such a manner, and that we should be prepared to conduct full-scale forcible entry operations. The problem was that we didn’t have the capacity to project and sustain meaningful military power ashore in a contested environment, and even if we did, our combat power would be so depleted by dealing with the Iranian threat that there would be nothing left to confront an invading Soviet force. Since our mission was to deter Soviet aggression, we manufactured planning assumptions such as a passive Iranian host to make the exercise possible.

Even with the Iranians standing by, the logistical challenges of moving personnel and equipment ashore were astronomical. Simply put, we had to artificially slow down the Soviet advance, and limit Soviet interdiction operations, so we could off-load the ships. Even then, we ignored real-world issues such as narrow shipping lanes, congestion, lack of port facilities, etc. Had this been a real-world contingency, our shipping would have experienced a traffic jam into the Iranian ports that would have made them a sitting duck for any determined opponent; any sabotage or successful attack on the port itself would have made transitioning personnel, equipment and material from ship to shore impossible.
This simulation was based on leaps in logic.

1. Iraq was fighting a war with Iran during these years.
2. USSR was fighting a war in Afghanistan during these years; Pakistan and US had jointly prepared the so-called Mujahideen to confront Soviet forces in Afghanistan in response.
3. USSR was not in the position to reach and take over the Persian Gulf due to its weak economic situation and pressure of war in Afghanistan.

If US wanted to, Iran could be neutralized with support of Iraq and even some of the Mujahideen could be diverted to this end in the 1980s. In fact, Iraq had exhausted and destroyed the bulk of Iranian forces in 1988, and USN had destroyed much of the Iranian Navy in 1988 (Operation Praying Mantis); Iran was totally exposed at this point in time.

But US showed restraint. Iranians have no idea how lucky they are - arrogance is through the roof.

In August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait, and the U.S. was called upon to implement OPLAN 1002, this time in response to a regional threat in the Arabian Peninsula. In this iteration, however, the U.S. was able to make extensive (and exclusive) use of friendly Aerial and Sea Ports of Debarkation (i.e., airfields and ports under the control of friendly forces), which allowed for the uncontested and unimpeded flow of personnel and material into the Persian Gulf and ashore in Saudi Arabia. Even under these permissive conditions, it still took months to get enough combat power deployed into the Persian Gulf to make offensive operations feasible.
On the flip side:

By 23 August, approximately 500 attack combat aircraft were deployed in the crisis area, of which 450 were from the United States. They included F-111 long-range bombers and aircraft from the USS Independence and USS Eisenhower, with two other aircraft carriers, the USS Saratoga and the USS Kennedy, en route to the Mediterranean and Gulf respectively.

The arrival of combat aircraft in the Gulf in less than 24 hours seriously complicated any plans President Saddam Hussein may have entertained for further southward expansion, and reassured neighbouring Arab states with a demonstration of Western military and political commitment.


Mason, R. A. (1991). The air war in the Gulf. Survival, 33(3), 211-229.

US was able to deploy a force composed of 4 American CBGs and 500 aircraft in less than 24 hours in the region.

Despite the massive size of its annual budget, the U.S. military today is but a shadow of its former self when it comes to amphibious operations. The U.S. Marines are not able to conduct brigade-sized forcible entry operations except under ad hoc conditions, and even then, only against a lightly held objective. Any notion of landing Marines on a contested shore in Iran is suicidal. And yet any plan to secure the Strait of Hormuz would require the seizure of Iranian-held islands located in the strait, the port city of Bandar Abbas, and the entire Iranian coastline along the strait inland to depths of up to 50 kilometers. This mission far exceeds the operational capacity and capability of the Marine Corps. Airpower alone cannot accomplish this objective either; as previously discussed, the U.S. aircraft carriers will be operating under duress, reducing effectiveness, and U.S. airbases in the region will be under near continuous Iranian ballistic missile attack, resulting in their closure or reduced effectiveness.
Refer back to the "US Marine Corps" part of my response above.

The biggest threat facing any U.S. force assembled in the region will come from Iran’s ballistic missiles. During the Gulf War, I was involved in the campaign to hunt down and destroy Iraqi ballistic missiles that were being fired at targets in Israel and the Arabian Peninsula. We enjoyed virtual air supremacy and were able to dedicate thousands of sorties in support of the counter-missile campaign. Special operations teams were inserted on the ground inside Iraq to assist in this effort. At the end of the day, not a single Iraqi missile launcher was destroyed by coalition forces. Today, in Yemen, the Houthi rebels use ballistic missiles to attack Saudi Arabian targets. Again, the Saudi Air Force, operating with total impunity (and supported by U.S. intelligence, which provides targeting support), has been unable to prevent the Houthi from launching missiles. Mobile relocatable targets such as the vehicle-mounted ballistic missiles employed by Iran will be virtually impossible to stop; any operation against Iran can anticipate continuous attacks from Iranian ballistic missiles for the duration of the conflict.
AGAIN: Granted that Iran has developed a larger and more capable ballistic missile force than any country in the Middle East, but US have developed excellent air defense systems in response - a level playing field.

American GLOBAL surveillance capability is leaps and bounds above in terms of capability in current times in comparison to what it used to be in 1991. This surveillance system can notice TEL movements in real-time and alert US forces.

Let's come back to the incident of Iranian attack on Iranian attack on Ayn al-Asad Airbase:

Ultimately, it was the ample early warning enabled by the U.S. intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance complex, which came well before Iran’s warning to Baghdad, that did the most to keep U.S. troops safe.

Related information in following link:


US is not sitting idle but doing its homework.

President Trump has dismissed the reports citing the plan to deploy 120,000 U.S. troops to the Persian Gulf as “fake news,” noting that if he were to engage Iran militarily, he would use “a hell of a lot more troops than that.” This is closer to the truth. OPLAN 1002, in its current iteration (which is derived from realistic calculations regarding actual force availability), probably envisions up to 500,000 U.S. troops for any full-scale war with Iran. This number would support an actual invasion of Iran, which would probably be conducted from bases in Azerbaijan and from a beachhead established at Chah Bahar, on the coast of the Arabian Sea.
John Bolton was trying to build a case for regime change in Iran and had a hand in convincing Donald Trump to ditch JCPOA and re-apply sanctions on Iran. But Trump was not keen to consider kinetic options. Bolton had a fall out with Trump due to this reason.

Iranian military capability is sufficient to drive up the anticipated cost (political, economical, military) of all out war for the USA regime to the point of creating deterrence against such a form of aggression. Iran's asymmetric defence doctrine is specifically tailored to that effect, nobody spoke of parity of forces between the two sides. There are various regional powers with about the same amount and technological sophistication of weaponry, but Iran is far better better suited than them to successfully resist an attack by the USA because her entire arms procurement, tactics and strategy is specially designed to neutralize the superior force that is the American military, whereas other regional-level powers never prepared for a war against NATO.

Proof is in the pudding, namely the fact that Washington and NATO have refrained from such an undertaking, even though Iran challenged and damaged their interests far more than Saddam's Iraq could ever achieve, Iran has topped their list of adversaries in West Asia since 1979. For naysayers, the most popular way out of this logical conundrum are baseless conspiracy theories alleging "behind the scenes complicity" between Iran and the USA.



Western media deliberately blew out of proportion Iraq's strength in the autumn of 1990 for one reason: in the consecutive winter, Iraq was attacked. There were concrete plans for war and that is why said narrative was aired in the first place.

A contrario, Iran's power is blatantly understated because the enemy is deterred from launching military aggression and feels compelled to compensate through propaganda.
Look - even the likes of Bangladesh assume that they have deterrence because a superpower did not take its chances with them. This is wishful thinking and a claim in ignorance that seems to stem from a false sense of pride.

US will NOT attack Iran without sufficient level of provocation, this is how it is.

Iranian leadership will NOT provoke US to the point of no return either - this much is apparent when Iran considered a measured retaliation in response to assassination of the Iranian general Qasem Soleimani. This man was very close to Iranian supreme leader Khomeini and his loss was strongly felt and moaned in Iran. Khomeini was weeping.

I can understand.
WE were shocked as well.

But the point is that YOUR OPTIONS are LIMITED when up against a foe like the US. I am not saying this out of bias, this is true for other regional powers including my country even though Pakistan is one of the strongest in the world as well.

Saddam Hussein also assumed that the Americans cannot fight among other delusions as noted in here and here, and as per the accounts of a well-respected Iraqi general Ra'ad Al-Hamdani. Now where is he and what has become of his country? Iraqi were not incompetent people and fighters, US was simply too strong and a more experienced side. Iraq is reduced to a mere shadow of its former-self by now. Most unfortunate.

The mighty Russians assumed that they will overcome Ukraine in weeks. So what went wrong? Ukrainians were willing to fight for their country while NATO was willing to train and provide arms to Ukrainian forces. NATO has made it impractical for Russia to take over Ukraine in simple terms.

And what might be the cost of fighting a full-scale modern hybrid war and the toll it can take on one's resources? Russia has a well-established defense industry and it still feels the need to obtain arms from other countries because Russian equipment losses in Ukraine are not sustainable.

How will Iran put up with demands of a full-scale modern hybrid war with a power like the US? Who can support Iran like NATO is supporting Ukraine? No country can. US might target supply lines.

Your country has oil, Russia also has oil. But this industry has no future due to Electric Revolution, which is in full swing.

1 USD = 42250 Iranian Rial

How people even make ends meet in Iran?
The state provides living essentials for FREE to every household?
Prevalence of smuggling?

Iranian protests show disconnect between a chunk of masses and the state in Iran. Not a good sign.

Your country has its interests - understandable. But try to normalize your relations with the US, honestly. Chances of Trump returning to power are slim in view of his ongoing legal disputes.

In case of war:

US might take some hits but it has more than enough power to wipe out your country in war. Like this or not but this is true.

Ask the Japanese. Japan was not an ordinary thing in times of the World War - Japanese forces has overrun multiple countries including a chunk of China and were approaching the subcontinent. Japanese naval forces were particularly strong and patrolling the seas. Japan inflicted a major blow to the US in Pearl Harbor with element of surprise. But US was determined to fight back. The Battle of Midway was a turning point in the Pacific War in 1942, Japanese forces were now on the receiving end after a long time. The Japanese were not happy and even resorted to Kamikazi attacks on American forces in different battles. US was fighting back and would have wiped out Japan in the Pacific War but Japanese leadership of the time raised the white flag after watching destruction of Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki in 1945.

If you try do something significant as well, then expect a significant response in return.

@Mr Iran Eye

Do not laugh at my posts unnecessarily, like the ignorant fool you are.
 
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This is a open forum. People can laugh at your post. People laugh at my posts many times. I don't call them "fool" for that.
Laugh if I am telling a joke - not on serious posts.

I do not speak without homework, but I see plenty who do.
 
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Laugh if I am telling a joke - not on serious posts.

I do not speak without homework, but I see plenty who do.
I do not think USA will go to war, because international opinion would be against USA especially at the United Nations.

It would show that USA is a war-mongering nation like they did in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

They will not go to war with Iran. It would also make China more popular in Muslim majority nations.
 
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I do not think USA will go to war, because international opinion would be against USA especially at the United Nations.

It would show that USA is a war-mongering nation like they did in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

They will not go to war with Iran. It would also make China more popular in Muslim majority nations.
Yes, a war that is fought on bad reasons can affect a country's reputation.
 
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Recall Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) simulation? USN simulated two different scenarios in MC02 to see how USN will fare in both. USN lost in scenario 1 when it employed questionable tactics - exposed its ships in Iranian coastal waters. But USN prevailed in scenario 2 when it changed its tactics and acted according to its strengths.

As far as I remember reading, they changed the rules of the simulation to less realistic ones and that's when they managed to prevail.

Iranian attack on Ayn al-Asad Airbase in Iraq certainly showed that Iranian ballistic missile technology has improved.

It showcased technology Iran had been fielding for years already. But which western mainstream media and regimes had obtusely been refusing to acknowledge. And this was precisely the question under the discussion.

What it tell us is that Iranian capabilities aren't being hyped by the Americans. Had they been, then their assessment of Iranian missile power wouldn't have been skewed in the first place, while much needed corrections to these narratives wouldn't have hinged on a uniquely publicized event like Ain al-Assad.

But Iraqi military installations are exposed due to lack of sophisticated defenses. Ayn al-Asad Airbase was a convenient target in fact.

Even though US assassinated Iranian general Qasem Soleimani, Iranian leadership chose to retaliate in limited manner. Iranian leadership understands that its options are limited when up against the US but PDF Iranians do not seem to.

Iran did not need to escalate any further. Simply because assassinating a commander, be it a legendary war hero, will hardly defeat a complex social-military system.

Case in point, Iran's regional position was not affected by it, Iranian allies from the Levant to the Red Sea via Mesopotamia have firmly staid in control. At best Washington scored a psychological point but did not succeed in upsetting the geostrategic balance at all. Why would Iran up the ante under these conditions?

US seems to acknowledge Iran as a significant regional challenge, but this man is making ridiculous claims.

Following is a fairly instructive assessment of Iranian defenses:


My contentions:

Why would an American Carrier Battle Group (CBG) operating inside the Persian Gulf while confronting Iran? This is akin to replicating MC02 scenario 1, which USN will not do.

The author addressed both scenarii.

But this wasn't the object of my argument. I simply meant to underscore that Scott Ritter's analysis can impossibly be equated with the USA regime's standpoint. Therefore one cannot dismiss his work as a deliberately deceitful endeavor to hype Iran's prowess at the behest of authorities in Washington. Ritter's assessment stands in sharp contrast with American regime-affiliated sources.

American CBG can do its job in open waters. Tomahawk cruise missiles can reach any target within Iran. American aircraft are very advanced and can take out any target within Iran. American warships can also intercept aircraft, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and drones.

Good luck overcoming from such a distance the colossal target list (many times that of so-called "Desert Storm") full blown war against Iran would entail, knowing that greater distance equals more restrictive mission parameters. Targets that are far more hardened, far better defended by air defences than anything the USA regime faced in a very long time, whilst Iranian retaliatory power is also unlike anything the Americans would be having to cope with since WW2.

These technologies have worked and made a mockery of all manner of defenses in Syria.





Russia never activated its air defences with the purpose of engaging zionist or American fighter jets over or close to Syria. This being so, the aggressors can make all the claims they like, in a real confrontation with Russia things would unfold quite differently.

The Iranian commander's statement for its part was either politically motivated or intended to promote Iran's own domestically developed long-range high-altitude AD complex.

As for domestic Syrian AD capabilities, Iran's integrated IADS is literally worlds apart.

All these show that there are real limits to the success of Iran’s ability to deter hostile action, which will further drive Iran to shore up its asymmetric capabilities as this approach remains the most promising and feasible despite its issues.

The paper is making an abusive generalization here. There's hostile action and hostile action. And none of the cited measures taken against Iran or her allies in Syria have been of a game changing or even of a truly significant nature.

Military success is measured in relation to the underlying political objectives pursued. The zionist and American objective vis à vis Iran is the downfall of the Islamic Republic i.e. Iranian capitulation. Not only has this not been achieved in the least, they haven't gotten any closer to it either.

Once they manage, through use of military means, to compromise Iran's regional standing and/or to prevent Iranian military power from continuously expanding like it has for decades in a row, then and only then may publications like these pontificate about limits to Iran's ability to deter hostile action - by which I mean the kind of hostile action that actually matters, others being of no real consequence on the ground. In the meantime statements like these essentially constitute feel-good rhetoric designed to sugarcoat their chronic ineptitude in bringing down Iran like they fervently aim to.

Iran attempted to build its own defenses in Syria but:


Iran has lost some of its air defense system parts that were shipped to Syria to Israeli strikes in fact.

Threat posed by Iranian military is greater than Russian military? Absolutely...

Apart from the fact that there's no evidence for these reports and that the regime in Tel Aviv is known for regularly issuing bold, inaccurate claims, the real question shouldn't be why Iran has not built an extensive AD grid of its own in Syria, hundreds of kilometers away from her borders, right next door to Occupied Palestine (!).

The question should rather be, why haven't the zionists and their western allies in spite of their allegedly crushing military superiority been able to bring about Iran's expulsion from Syria, despite openly declaring it to be a threat? I believe the answer's straightforward. Instead, the Iranian-led Resistance has steadily entrenched itself at increasing numbers of positions along the border with Occupied Golan.

US Marine Corps is being revisited and its kinetic options are being expanded with a new range of weapons.


US Marine Corps is better equipped than armed forces of many countries around the world, let alone US Army.

USN can soften Iranian defenses from a distance and US Marine Corps can cut through the leftovers in case of war.

Iran can fight back, thwart their operations to a satisfactory degree and most decisively, make them incur a politically unsustainable cost.

As if US has not fought a war before 2001?

US-led forces confronted Yugoslavia in 1999 and Iraq in 1991.

The USA is going to replicate the way it fought (much weaker) state actors twenty-four and thirty-two years ago? I'm not sure how relevant those experiences would be in 2023.

Iraq had fought a war with Iran and created a ballistic missile force of its own. Iraq used its ballistic missile force to attack military targets in Saudi Arabia and civilian targets in Israel - these strikes were able to score hits and inflict losses.

Yes, and the sheer size of Iran's ballistic missile arsenal is probably a hundred times that of Iraq in 1991, its precision in an entirely different league, the range of dedicated warheads (anti-radiation, cluster munitions, bunker busters etc) unprecedented, the variety of launching methods a highly innovative force multiplier (from tens of hardened missile cities built beneath mountains housing fully automated launchers among others, to mobile TEL's often disguised as ordinary trucks and benefiting from the cover offered by a rugged terrain, via buried missile farms).

If the "SCUD hunt" conducted by the Americans in Iraq is something to go by, technological progress notwithstanding the USA military will have more than a hard time suppressing such a formidable BM force. Not to mention Iranian cruise missiles and drones, also massive in numbers, for these sectors are where the bulk of Iran's arms procurement budget was directed towards for the past twenty five years.

The War On Terror was also instructive to US on many counts. US has fought a war in Afghanistan (Al-Qaeda Network; ISIS-K; Taliban groups), Iraq (Saddam regime with Iraqi armed forces; Iraqi rebels; ISIL), Libya (Gaddafi regime with Libyan armed forces), and Syria (ISIL; Russian Wagner with Syrian armed forces) - different environments and different enemies. American troops have fought opposing forces in deserts, forests, rivers, villages, cities, mountains, caves, and even in locations that were supposed to be off-limits. These experiments are a means to an end. Combat experience provides valuable insight for how to train troops, develop more capable weapons, and come up with battle doctrines that will work when the time comes. US have had the opportunity to develop and test different types of weapons and operational doctrines in a number of countries Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Syria, and Yemen.

Fundamental defence doctrine tends to be static. It isn't adjustable over night.

On more specific levels, Iran being a completely different pair of shoes than all the above, this will limit the value of combat experience gained by the USA in those theaters.

Iranian troops have fought ISIL and Syrian rebels in Iraq and Syria, but the bulk of fighting was with support of Iranian allies such as Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq and Hezbollah, Assad regime with Syrian armed forces, and Russian armed forces in Syria. This is instructive experience but Iran could not topple regimes, occupy countries, and defeat significant adversaries on its own - not even close. Iranian model of warfare is asymmetric to large extent.

Asymmetric defence is the only viable option against hypothetical aggression by the USA regime.

Granted that Iran has developed a larger and more capable ballistic missile force than any country in the Middle East, but US have developed excellent air defense systems in response - a level playing field.

So we will be witnessing an attack on Iran soon? It's been almost forty five years, they've had ample time to go ahead with it, plenty of situations where their hands were not tied by more pressing priorities, Bush jr. including Iran as part of his so-called "axis of evil", other USA presidents rehashing "all options are on the table" and yet, no war on Iran.

This was not out of some non-existing kind-heartedness on the part of Washington decision makers. Thus the question arises: how come, then?

This simulation was based on leaps in logic.

1. Iraq was fighting a war with Iran during these years.
2. USSR was fighting a war in Afghanistan during these years; Pakistan and US had jointly prepared the so-called Mujahideen to confront Soviet forces in Afghanistan in response.
3. USSR was not in the position to reach and take over the Persian Gulf due to its weak economic situation and pressure of war in Afghanistan.

It's a contingency scenario like many others. They usually prepare and draw plans for these, no matter how improbable.

This said I don't see how the USSR's inability to pull off such a foray could possibly invalidate the author's clarifications about the challenges inherent to attempted forcible entry by USA Marines on Iran's Persian Gulf coast, as well as his clarifications about the things a determined defending party could do.

If US wanted to, Iran could be neutralized with support of Iraq and even some of the Mujahideen could be diverted to this end in the 1980s. In fact, Iraq had exhausted and destroyed the bulk of Iranian forces in 1988, and USN had destroyed much of the Iranian Navy in 1988 (Operation Praying Mantis); Iran was totally exposed at this point in time.
But US showed restraint.

Again it was not out of kindness of their hearts. They were focused on a declining USSR and weren't confident about opening another major front. If they were, they wouldn't have been content with pitting their Iraqi proxy against Iran, they'd have gone in themselves in full force.

The USN sunk one Iranian frigate and two FAC's (less than a quarter of the Iranian navy), but more notoriously they shot down an Iranian civilian airliner.

Iranians have no idea how lucky they are - arrogance is through the roof.

To me it's first and foremost the result of fathomable political factors and events.

As concerns arrogance - Scott Ritter explaining what obstacles USA Marines would have faced if they performed a landing in southeastern Iran is synonymous with arrogance, but narratives that portray America as the ultimate temporal power invincible under any and all circumstances aren't?

Considering that Iran has what it takes to defend herself against aggression is arrogant, but the boundless hubris the imperialist global hegemon is literally drowning in, is not?

This would betray a peculiar acception of the term arrogance.

On the flip side:

By 23 August, approximately 500 attack combat aircraft were deployed in the crisis area, of which 450 were from the United States. They included F-111 long-range bombers and aircraft from the USS Independence and USS Eisenhower, with two other aircraft carriers, the USS Saratoga and the USS Kennedy, en route to the Mediterranean and Gulf respectively.

The arrival of combat aircraft in the Gulf in less than 24 hours seriously complicated any plans President Saddam Hussein may have entertained for further southward expansion, and reassured neighbouring Arab states with a demonstration of Western military and political commitment.


Mason, R. A. (1991). The air war in the Gulf. Survival, 33(3), 211-229.

US was able to deploy a force composed of 4 American CBGs and 500 aircraft in less than 24 hours in the region.

What impact does this have on the present discussion i.e. feasibility and cost of a full scale USA military aggression on Iran? They would not station their carrier battle groups in the Persian Gulf anyway, and Iran would not be invading any of her neighbors either.

AGAIN: Granted that Iran has developed a larger and more capable ballistic missile force than any country in the Middle East, but US have developed excellent air defense systems in response - a level playing field.

American GLOBAL surveillance capability is leaps and bounds above in terms of capability in current times in comparison to what it used to be in 1991. This surveillance system can notice TEL movements in real-time and alert US forces.

They won't be monitoring and tracking every TEL (out of several thousands, many of which are visually identical to civilian vehicles) in real time around the clock across Iran's 1,6 million square kilometers of largely mountainous terrain replete with natural or purpose-built hideouts. And let's not forget Iran's other launch methods.

Let's come back to the incident of Iranian attack on Iranian attack on Ayn al-Asad Airbase:

Ultimately, it was the ample early warning enabled by the U.S. intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance complex, which came well before Iran’s warning to Baghdad, that did the most to keep U.S. troops safe.

Related information in following link:


Didn't work out quite as flawlessly when it came to warning their Saudi clients about Houthi missile launches.

US is not sitting idle but doing its homework.

Only that to date, the USA regime has failed at it, else it would have gotten rid of Iran many years ago.

John Bolton was trying to build a case for regime change in Iran and had a hand in convincing Donald Trump to ditch JCPOA and re-apply sanctions on Iran. But Trump was not keen to consider kinetic options.

...because he - or rather, his advisers understood the costs involved.

Look - even the likes of Bangladesh assume that they have deterrence because a superpower did not take its chances with them. This is wishful thinking and a claim in ignorance that seems to stem from a false sense of pride.

What do the likes of Bangladesh have in common with Iran as far as the state of their relationship with the USA is concerned? Is Bangladesh considered an enemy by the Washington? Have the two sides had a history of clashes like Iran and the USA, or been in a conflict?

I see no wishful thinking on our part, Iran has topped the list of USA adversaries in West Asia since 1979, this can't be denied. Few other nations if any, have been demonized, threatened, sanctioned, subjected to sabotage and terrorism by the empire as consistently as Iran for the past several decades non-stop. No other government is extending military-level support to the Palestinian Resistance. No other government has backed the Lebanese Resistance and assisted it in kicking out the zionist army not once, but twice.

If Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya were invaded and destroyed even though the threat they posed to the interests of the empire amounted to a fraction of what Iran has pulled off, then it necessarily implies that the empire wouldn't be thinking twice before taking the very same measures against Iran - if given a chance, that is.

US will NOT attack Iran without sufficient level of provocation, this is how it is.

I would say Iraq did not sufficiently provoke Washington in 2003 either. Nonetheless it was attacked. For being the far easier target.

Iranian leadership will NOT provoke US to the point of no return either - this much is apparent when Iran considered a measured retaliation in response to assassination of the Iranian general Qasem Soleimani. This man was very close to Iranian supreme leader Khomeini and his loss was strongly felt and moaned in Iran. Khomeini was weeping.

What's apparent as well is that Iran has been accused of supporting movements which eliminated hundreds of USA Marines and French soldiers in 1983 at the Beirut barracks, as well as many hundreds of USA occupation forces in Iraq after 2003 - exceeding by far Saddam or Qhadafi's record in peacetime. And yet Washington and its allies never took the decision to strike Iran like they did the former two.

I can understand.
WE were shocked as well.

But the point is that YOUR OPTIONS are VERY LIMITED when up against a foe like the US. I am not saying this out of bias, this is true for other regional powers including my country even though Pakistan is one of the strongest in the world as well.

As explained, shahid Soleimani's martyrdom didn't undermine Iran's position vis à vis the zio-American empire.

Iran can and will resort to a whole range of options if the enemy proceeds to actually putting at stake Iran's vital interests - something they haven't dared so far.

Saddam Hussein also assumed that the Americans cannot fight among other delusions as noted in here and here, and as per the accounts of a well-respected Iraqi general Ra'ad Al-Hamdani. Now where is he and what has become of his country? Iraqi were not incompetent people and fighters, US was simply too strong and a more experienced side. Iraq is reduced to a mere shadow of its former-self by now. Most unfortunate.

Saddam was:

1) Not smart enough to adopt the adequate defence doctrine against the USA military, distribute his resources and structure his forces accordingly.
2) Naive enough to furnish political capital to the bellicose American establishment by launching invasions of sovereign nations, something Iran won't be doing anytime soon.
3) Incapable of understanding why it was that both superpowers of the time were backing his aggression against Iran. He displayed strategic short-sightedness in what was probably his biggest mistake.

Furthermore Iraq lacked:

1) The geographical boon of sitting atop the world's major transit artery for energy supplies, enabling disruption of the flow of oil exports which would have global economic ripple effects.
2) A comprehensive network of regional allies, allowing for additional maneuvering room on the escalation ladder.
3) Iran's size, both in surface area and population.
4) Iran's national cohesion.
5) A latent nuclear break out capability.
6) Strategic partners like Russia, China or the DPRK are to Iran.

The mighty Russians assumed that they will overcome Ukraine in weeks.

In reality it's the other way around: western sources suggested Russia ought to succeed in weeks, but when it comes to high ranking Russian officials they did not make statements to that effect.

So what went wrong? Ukrainians were willing to fight for their country while NATO was willing to train and provide arms to Ukrainian forces. NATO has made it impractical for Russia to take over Ukraine in simple terms.

More importantly, is the cost of fighting a full-scale modern hybrid war and the toll it can take on one's resources. Russia has a well-established defense industry and it still feels the need to obtain arms from other countries because Russian equipment losses in Ukraine are not sustainable.

Russian arms industries are churning out greater quantities of ammunition than the west.


But the conflict scenarii are too different to warrant a comparison.

How will Iran put up with demands of a full-scale modern hybrid war with a power like the US? Who can support Iran like NATO is supporting Ukraine? No country can.

Your country has oil, but Russia also has oil. This industry has no future due to Electric Revolution, which is in full swing.

1 USD = 42250 Iranian Rial

How people even make ends meet in Iran?
The state provides living essentials for FREE to every household?
Prevalence of smuggling?

Iranian protests show disconnect between a chunk of masses and the state in Iran. Not a good sign.

In the event of a conflict of such magnitude, war economy will probably be implemented to regulate macroeconomic variables and guarantee the population's living essentials.

Your country has its interests - understandable. But try to normalize your relations with the US, honestly. Chances of Trump returning to power are slim in view of his ongoing legal disputes.

In case of war:

US might take some hits but it has more than enough power to wipe out your country in war.

Naturally it does. Not at a cost deemed acceptable enough though. Which is why they've refrained from taking this step, although from their own imperialist perspective they'd have every reason for doing so.

Ask the Japanese. Japan was not an ordinary thing in times of the World War - Japanese forces has overrun multiple countries including a chunk of China and were approaching the subcontinent. Japanese naval forces were particularly strong and patrolling the seas. Japan inflicted a major blow to the US in Pearl Harbor with element of surprise. But US was determined to fight back. The Battle of Midway was a turning point in the Pacific War in 1942, Japanese forces were now on the receiving end after a long time. The Japanese were not happy and even resorted to Kamikazi attacks on American forces in different battles. US was fighting back and would have wiped out Japan in the Pacific War but Japanese leadership of the time raised the white flag after watching destruction of Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki in 1945.

If you try do something significant as well, then expect a significant response in return.

WW2 took place in a past era governed by dissimilar social, cultural, economic, political parameters and featuring a different type of international system.

As the name indicates it was a global conflict directly putting at risk the USA's security, possibly even its existence in the long term. This implied enhanced readiness for mobilization and far greater tolerance for casualties amongst the population.

Last but not least, the envisaged hypothesis was Iran strictly defending against all out American attack, not Iran initiating the war through a Pearl Harbor like attack.
 
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