The two faces of ‘Muslim’ Modernists

[I.R.A]

The option of pardoning a murderer is gvery abuse prone it should be removed

It is a privilege of every Muslim, given to him by none other than his CREATOR himself. If one wants to forgive someone in his right senses and free will.................. nobody should have any objection to it. And forgiving is preferred if we believe in the judgement day.

And in my opinion the pardoning part is valid for capital punishment only, state can still jail a murderer even if he has been pardoned by the relatives of one he has murdered.

 

[Nike]

there is a clear reason why today Indonesian is rapidly progressed meanwhile the Turks, Bangladesh and Pakistan is going to their declining state

 

[haviZsultan]

there is a clear reason why today Indonesian is rapidly progressed meanwhile the Turks, Bangladesh and Pakistan is going to their declining state

Is the reason secularism? You didn't elaborate...

 

[Jaanbaz]

go ahead. Just leave Islam

I thought the goal was to convert whole world and rule the world with alongside Jesus? Plan A failed? What's plan B?

 

[jamal18]

I thought the goal was to convert whole world and rule the world with alongside Jesus? Plan A failed? What's plan B?

Hmmm... the world has been ruled without Jesus, so I guess his presence isn't essential.

And convert the entire world? The trouble with letting every one into Islam is that there is no pass mark, no standards.

Surely there are some people you don't want in Islam?

 

[mike2000 is back]

Yes it is. If I move 1,000 miles West and then 80 years later move 100 miles East. Where am I? 900 miles still to the West.

And to clarify secularism is not against religion. Just that the state avoid's direct involvement with religion. If secularism was anathema to Muslim's then why have I not yet heard a fatwa imploring Muslim's not to migrate to the secular West? Million's choose to move or live in secular West. That in itself demolishes the arguement of the secularism is antithesis of Islam. If it is why are people "voting with their feet" by moving to the West. If it is for economics well that establishes the money is more important than faith.

Or could it be that they are proving in their actions (by moving to the West) that secularism is compatible with Islam. The biggest hypocrities are thus those who choose to live knee deep in secular West but then cry against secularism. This is as silly as I devour meat at every chance I get and then preach the virtues of vegetarianism.

At least 1 muslim member here who speak facts and is not a hypocrite unlike other so called 'pious devout islamists' who will claim how secular /anti islam and evil the west is while comfortably migrating with their familly and living here in the west and NEVER EVER having the intention to return to their holy islamic ummah country. Lmao

 

[Luffy 500]

The modernist secular liberal categorization of islam and muslims:

 

[Soumitra]

This is correct. Glad you understood it