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The transformation of Punjabi identity over the centuries Haroon KhalidUpdated November 29, 2017 304

Only thing I said is stop insulting Pakistanis by using hindu word for us, you very well know insulting other communities is prohibited here. Stop being clever you cunny gujju, your insults will no longer be tolerated here.

What is a "cunny gujju"?

Most Muslims of the subcontinent, be they Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi, Nepali or Sri Lankans, are descendents of Hindus.

Fact.

What I was referring to was bloodlines and their ties to the resident faith.

A concept common to ancient Aryan faiths. Blood, Faith and Soil.

A concept alien to newer Abrahamic faiths, which spread by conversion, by men, inorganically, like a movement, across race and ethnicity and bloodlines.

Cheers, Doc
 
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That message was given to the Arab people 1400 years ago.

And they were told that it is only for your guidance and not anyone else? Come on as I said unless you read and understand the message yourself, your argument remains biased, one sided ...... why are you so afraid to spare sometime and do a thorough well informed study yourself?

What followed was military imperialism.

Against what? Tyranny, Exploitation, Slavery ............ I hope you don't think that those emperors and kings were saviors of the humans. If they were they would never have been defeated by a lesser equipped and lesser trained adversary.

The message of God has been revealed to other people by Prophets before Muhammad.

Were those messages wrong?

Or were those Gods lesser or false Gods?

Yes messages were revealed before and the final message lays it as a condition to believe in all of them (the non corrupted versions) before I call myself a Muslim.

Were those messages wrong? No .......... but would they appeal the needs of humans of today, would they be accommodating enough to afford the freedom a human in today's world demands, the answer is .... no. Those messages were incomplete in the sense that they were time bound for people of those times only, somethings which were prohibited for people of those times were later permitted by the final message. You need to understand when and in what times the messages were sent and to whom those messages were applicable ........ the difference between the final message and all previous messages is ...... the final message is for all the times to come and is for everyone .......... look at the world today and modes of accessing information ........ and tell me if you cannot get a copy of the final message yourself.

God remained the same ......... humans, their fears, their selfishness, their weaknesses and their superstitions became the Gods.

If it's your argument that the message got corrupted by the people, and they needed a reminder by the birth of a new Prophet ....

Then look around you. And tell me what you see today.

Have the people evolved? Is this what you call evolution?

Jews are people of scripture but they are a closed faith, you are born a Jew or else you are not a Jew, they have literally declared the ownership of their faith, they in their belief consider themselves to be the only chosen people and non Jews inferior and irrelevant. Did God give them this ownership?

And again doc stop judging the message ...... in light of the conduct of people and their politics. You are believer of a faith tell me if you are practicing your faith exactly the same it was practiced at the time of its inception, tell me if you are sure you hold the same belief and faith as centuries old people of your faith held?

If you start believing a non sense parallel religion and are hell bent on making man made prophecies come true, its not fault of the message ....... its your fault that you have stopped practicing and reading the message.

A people can never aspire for greatness on a borrowed (adopted, enforced, enslaved) philosophy.

Greatness doesn't need humans and their certification, it remains greatness ......... its upto people if they achieve greatness or remain ignorant.

Its your belief (fairy tales) and you are entitled to it. Had it been the way you think it may have been, you won't be debating this with me, instead we may have been debating why apostasy doesn't demand capital punishment, with you being the strong advocate of the punishment.
 
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What is a "cunny gujju"?

Most Muslims of the subcontinent, be they Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi, Nepali or Sri Lankans, are descendents of Hindus.

Fact.

What I was referring to was bloodlines and their ties to the resident faith.

A concept common to ancient Aryan faiths. Blood, Faith and Soil.

A concept alien to newer Abrahamic faiths, which spread by conversion, by men, inorganically, like a movement, across race and ethnicity and bloodlines.

Cheers, Doc

Gujju/marathi troll you are well aware hindu is insulting word which you throw around on purpose. Its like calling Indians bhangi blood even though you claim they are aryan descendants. Like seriously?

bhangi and hindu are both insults.
 
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Gujju/marathi troll you are well aware hindu is insulting word which you throw around on purpose. Its like calling Indians bhangi blood even though you claim they are aryan descendants. Like seriously?

bhangi and hindu are both insults.

How can it be an insult when your ancestors were Hindu?

Are you ashamed of your bloodlines?

Too bad. Can't be changed.

Cheers, Doc
 
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How can it be an insult when your ancestors were Hindu?

Are you ashamed of your bloodlines?

Too bad. Can't be changed.

Cheers, Doc

Yes its a insult, there is no such a thing as hindu blood line. Indians are of bhangi blood line yet you claim to be aryan which is laughable.
 
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Yes its a insult, there is no such a thing as hindu blood line. Indians are of bhangi blood line yet you claim to be aryan which is laughable.

Of course you are a descendant of Hindu bloodlines Kabira.

These are bloodlines thousands of years old. You should be proud of them.

Islam is barely a thousand years old on the subcontinent. Just to put things into perspective.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Of course you are a descendant of Hindu bloodlines Kabira.

These are bloodlines thousands of years old. You should be proud of them.

Islam is barely a thousand years old on the subcontinent. Just to put things into perspective.

Cheers, Doc

There is no hindu blood line. There are people like us with IE genetic heritage and Indians who are bhangis but speak IE language. Both are very different.
 
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Of course you are a descendant of Hindu bloodlines Kabira.

These are bloodlines thousands of years old. You should be proud of them.

Islam is barely a thousand years old on the subcontinent. Just to put things into perspective.

Cheers, Doc

Hon Padamchen,

Both the words "Hindu" and "India" are not indigenous but have foreign origin. "Hindu" is neither a Sanskrit word nor a word found in any of the native languages of India. There is no reference of the word "Hindu" in the ancient Vedic Scriptures. The ancient Persian (Zend Avesta) refers to the word "Hindu" as a geographic name. When King Darius 1 extended his empire up to the borders of the subcontinent in 517 BC; people of the region became part of the Achaemenid Empire and the Persian army.

Hindu means ‘Black’ in Persian and because of the population of the region had darker skin than rest of the population of the Persian Empire; the Satrapy was called Hindustan or land of the dark skinned people.

"India" also has a similar foreign origin. Native Indians referred to their country as “Bharat" meaning the land ruled by the legendary King "Bharata". Greeks mispronounced the river Sindhu as Indoos. When Alexander invaded India, the Macedonian army called the river as Indus and the land east of the river as India. British borrowed the name from the Greeks.

For Arabs the land became Al-Hind from the Persian Hindustan. Muslim invaders and merchants travelling to the region during the medieval period referred the subcontinent as "Hindustan" and the people who lived there as Hindus.

Vast majority of population of the region of present day Pakistan along with Bactria (Afghanistan) practiced Buddhism starting from the Asoka’s time down to the Indo Greek & Kushan an period. White Huns or Hepthalites were Fire Worshippers and Indo-Scythians were probably animists or worshippers of the spirit.

In my humble opinion, only if we go by the original definition of the word Hindu, meaning any person living in the land beyond the river Indus is a Hindu regardless of the religion than your point has validity. However since these days “Hindu” & “Hinduvta” have been adopted as referring to the people professing ‘Dharma of the Vedas’, if you substitute the word Hindu by ‘Of Indian subcontinent origin’ your point would probably gain better acceptance.
 
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