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Jagtay rehna, sadt tat ba rehna A new message by Pakistan Arm forces to the people of Pakistan..........
Were the F/A-18 pilots given the orders to shoot down PAF fighters if they tried to intercept?
Hi, according to this report, the PAF radars were active and detected a packet of aircraft moving towards the border, but they did not enter Pakistani airspace.
There are simply to many contradicting statements being made by the PAF, radars were off, no they were actually on, stealth helicopters were used, etc. Makes for interesting conspiracy theories!
PAF detected US planes near Jalalabad border before OBL operation - GEO.tv
Operation Geronimo and PAF
May 7, 2011
by Kaiser Tufail
With the latest brief that appeared today inThe News (also available on Facebook - PAF Falcons Welcome to Facebook - Log In, Sign Up or Learn More), PAF's case has been totally messed up and it has been put on the back foot unnecessarily. It was simply bad PR; an official press release would have been far better, with no possibility of laymen's interpretation and distortion of facts by uninformed journalists about matters technical. I have been following the matter over the past few days and would like to offer the factual story as far as is known, without trying to cover any mistakes of my parent service.
On the night of 2 May, four near-stealth/low observable MH-60 helicopters ingressed unobserved from Bagram to Abbotabad. (Some US websites displaying animated action include 2 Chinooks, which, to my mind does not make sense as it nullifies the rationale of the other two low observable MH-60s, unless the Chinooks also had stealth features). The helicopter package was able to exploit the blind areas inherent in radars over hilly/broken terrain, while their own low-observable structure helped no less. (It is not true that PAF radars were being given a rest to conserve their life, as has been reported in The News.) It must, however, be noted that it is the PAF's AEW Erieyes that are not operated round-the-clock during peacetime, else we would quickly wear them out.
A package of 6-7 support aircraft including EC-130E/H, MC-130, AC-130, E-3 AWACS and, most ominously, a pair of fighters of unknown type, were orbiting in FATA area. It was easy to masquerade this package with the usual retinue of half a dozen Predators, Reapers and Global Surveyors that have been flying in the same area, with PAF clearance, over the last several years. There was no question of this package arousing any suspicion on this particular night.
As the operation got under way, no Pak Army unit was present. US assessment was that local Army units in Abbotabad would be able to react not before one hour at the earliest (to take orders and draw their weapons). It was also surmised that armed soldiers at quarter guards, guard rooms and sentry posts would not leave their beats.
When the firing started, local commanders at Abbotabad informed GHQ, who in turn got in touch with AHQ. The latter immediately scrambled a pair of F-16s but by the time these got to Abbotabad in about 15 minutes, the operation was over and the helicopters had departed. Without any help from ground radar, the F-16s did not know where to look, as they had no idea that the incursion had been from the west. As a matter of fact, an intrusion from the east was uppermost in their minds. The helicopters once again flew low, through radar gaps and were not spotted either by ground radar or the F-16s. The reality dawned too late that we do not have an antidote to a stealth raiding package. USA carrying out such an attack was the biggest surprise for the PAF as well as the Army.
In some ways, the PAF F-16s were lucky not to have picked the helicopters on their radars, or else the nearby patrolling US fighters would have made short work of them with their long range missiles, what with full communications and radar jamming support available to them.
To say that it was a failure of the PAF to react effectively is completely incorrect and unfair. It was simply beyond its technical means to handle fifth-generation warfare vs USA. If it is a failure, it is at the national policy level whereby US was compelled to sideline its much-ballyhooed ally because of trust deficit.
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we should beef up our defences as soon as possible as these yanks will do this type of misadventure again.
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