The Spirit of Islam

[TruthSeeker]

Well, does this mean that the Atheist doesn't have the right to discuss religion?

You idiot! YOU were the one who said it was NONE OF MY BUSINESS to comment! I was responding to your hypocrisy. Of course atheists can discuss religion. But sanctimonious atheists, like you, need to be called on their hypocrisy, every time. Although, I have to admit, pointing out your hypocrisies every time is a huge job.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

In a true spirit of Islam, you can not claim that your people are the best, some might be better than other fellow Muslims, while others might have better people than some of yours, so the whole premise is false.

To be part of the Muslim Ummah you have to believe in sharing whatever you have as riches with others, since you never know what others can bring to you that might be worth more than what you have to offer them, in knowledge, wealth, health or else .
To cancel a country or its history is a bit far-fetched talk, Islam accepts all cultures, and to be part of the Muslim Ummah one does not need to give up his love for his country or culture, but the love of god and Islam takes precedence in a true spirit of Islam.

i am a muslim and i love islam and i also love my country and my people
so being ultra nathionalst means i am infadel ?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No. Islam's warriors killed millions themselves. Don't conflate the failures of the human mind, the depravity that is there along with the benevolent, with Christianity or Judiasm or Islam. You believe that Islam was both necessary and beneficial. My guess is that you were born into Islam as I was into Christianity. Trust me, people can know God and can resonate with the sentiments of the piece you opened this thread, without converting away from the religion of their parents. You may be proud of your religion, and confident that it is the "most" correct of the Abrahamic faiths, but you are not the arbiter of the truth any more than I am. What allows humans to get along is to respect that others may find the same truths that they do, but along different paths. What causes humans to go to war is to be so confident that they alone are right that the "other", who does not share their subjective belief, is not worthy of friendship or protection. Don't be an Islamic supremacist. It is not necessary or the will of Allah.

How about the Christian warriors?

 

[AUz]

The opening thread linked piece is very compelling. As a Christian and a PhD Physicist, I agree with almost all of what is said. I do not think you need Islam to have this understanding, however. Christian teachings, which predate Islam by ~ 600 years, bring me to the same cosmological view as expounded in the OP. Islam was an "unnecessary" revelation to know God, in my view.

To the Arabs too? Remember , Muhammad (PBUH) brought Islam to the pagan Arabs. Also , God "revealed" truth (if you like to say it) to us , 1.6 billion people , in the form of Islam. God does no 'unnecessary' things. From Islamic point of view , God "corrected" the corrupted belief of Christians who mistook Jesus as God himself instead of Prophet..but again..I am not "imposing" anything on you but just telling Islamic perspective. So from our point of view , Islam was the most 'necessary' thing God did to this world (from our world-view).

 

[The SC]

No. Islam's warriors killed millions themselves. Don't conflate the failures of the human mind, the depravity that is there along with the benevolent, with Christianity or Judiasm or Islam. You believe that Islam was both necessary and beneficial. My guess is that you were born into Islam as I was into Christianity. Trust me, people can know God and can resonate with the sentiments of the piece you opened this thread, without converting away from the religion of their parents. You may be proud of your religion, and confident that it is the "most" correct of the Abrahamic faiths, but you are not the arbiter of the truth any more than I am. What allows humans to get along is to respect that others may find the same truths that they do, but along different paths. What causes humans to go to war is to be so confident that they alone are right that the "other", who does not share their subjective belief, is not worthy of friendship or protection. Don't be an Islamic supremacist. It is not necessary or the will of Allah.

I do agree with you 100%, that is why I told you about the twisting of religion to suit some peoples wishes, if not phantasms.
In this regard only, you can call me what ever you want, otherwise if we believe in the same God in the same way through different paths than it is OK and very welcomed as far as Islam and Muslims are concerned, since the aim is the same, peace with one's self, peace with God and peace with others comes automatically since this state of mind will not attract violence or any negativity.
So God help us all to achieve this state of Mind.

i am a muslim and i love islam and i also love my country and my people
so being ultra nathionalst means i am infadel ?

Ultra nationalist is a strong word, love your country (some time it s like our mother' love). but as a true Muslim, Islam should prevail in your mind while keeping the love of your country as the one for your mother, and the love of Islam as of the one for your father(as in a healthy environment of course).

 

[Hyde]

Please do not create such threads in future. You are a old member now and you should have known that the religious threads are not allowed here