The Spirit of Islam

[darkinsky]

Since slavery is permitted by Islamic law, Muslim countries have used secular law to ban it. Some countries outlawed slavery only comparatively recently:BBC - Religions - Islam: Slavery in Islam

where is slavery permitted by islamic law, this is such a misleading article, and when was there slave trade in pakistan? pakistan came into being in 1947

 

[The SC]

The whole thing is misleading when it comes to slavery in Islam ( I am not talking before Islam), since Muslim "slaves" were bought to free them and put them under the protection of powerful persons and worked for them as free persons. In Islam It is called -Faqo raqaba- meaning freeing a neck from the chains of slavery which is found in the Koran.
In reality it was to counter the pre-islamic concept of slavery, and the western one after the avenue of Islam till the 20th century.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

The SC
i have a qustion some people say that islam forbid nathionalty is that true ?

 

[Android]

6. Islam is intolerant of other faiths

Throughout the Qur'an, Muslims are reminded that they are not the only ones who worship God. Jews and Christians are called "People of the Book," meaning people who have received previous revelations from the One Almighty God that we all worship. The Qur'an also commands Muslims to protect from harm not only mosques, but also monasteries, synagogues, and churches -- because "God is worshipped therein."

And what does it say about hinduism

 

[TruthSeeker]

The opening thread linked piece is very compelling. As a Christian and a PhD Physicist, I agree with almost all of what is said. I do not think you need Islam to have this understanding, however. Christian teachings, which predate Islam by ~ 600 years, bring me to the same cosmological view as expounded in the OP. Islam was an "unnecessary" revelation to know God, in my view.

 

[Carlos 'Cypher' Renato]

I thought that what we heard about islam around here wasn't true, this posts confirm my thoughts....
Cristianity, Judaism and Islamism never said nothing about wage holy wars, the politicians made such things

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The opening thread linked piece is very compelling. As a Christian and a PhD Physicist, I agree with almost all of what is said. I do not think you need Islam to have this understanding, however. Christian teachings, which predate Islam by ~ 600 years, bring me to the same cosmological view as expounded in the OP. Islam was an "unnecessary" revelation to know God, in my view.

Does it matter that Christianity predated Islam? They both belong to the Abrahamic religion that was created by the ancient Semitic people who were the common ancestors of both Jews and Arabs.

The Arabs have a choice to either pick Judaism or Christianity or Islam, because all these religions were created by their ancestors.

Their religious faith is none of your business, because you are just following a religion that was created by their ancestors.

 

[The SC]

The SC
i have a qustion some people say that islam forbid nathionalty is that true ?

In the Muslim world this applies, since there can not be different nationalities, different cultures yes but all under the banner of Islam, So this concept of nationality between Muslims is a product of colonialism and not native to Islam
God willing, we will get rid of it soon.

And what does it say about hinduism

Please look at the similarities of Abraham the father of Islam and Brahman stories.
Concerning Hinduism, Islam condemns the worship of God through anything , be it a statue or another human being, since god is omnipresent in every living thing you just have to look at yourself to find God, the best way is through science though, mainly biology in this example, so the emphasis is put on direct worship and relationship between you and your creator, there is no place for a middleman in this matter.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

In the Muslim world this applies, since there can not be different nationalities, different cultures yes but all under the banner of Islam, So this concept of nationality between Muslims is a product of colonialism and not native to Islam
God willing, we will get rid of it soon.

what if i think that my country and my people better than everyone else and that i dont want any unity arab or chalphite of course i support helping fellow muslims but to cancel my country and my history well i cant do that
is this wrong ?

 

[TruthSeeker]

The Arabs have a choice to either pick Judaism or Christianity or Islam, because all these religions were created by their ancestors.
Their religious faith is none of your business, because you are just following a religion that was created by their ancestors.

If it is none of MY business, it is even more so, none of yours. You are a PRC Communist atheist are you not? Certainly your posts show no sympathy for Abrahamic faiths, of any stripe. Troll on Chinese Kitty......

The point of the pre-dation of Christianity over Islam is to say that Mohammed's relevations add nothing essential to an understanding of God, or salvation, to anyone who truly understands Christianity.

what if i think that my country and my people better than everyone else and that i dont want any unity arab or chalphite of course i support helping fellow muslims but to cancel my country and my history well i cant do that
is this wrong ?

Of course it is not wrong. You must have the right to associate with other human beings who care most about your welfare. Maybe in another few hundred years that will be true of "humanity" as a whole, but it is not true today. Egyptians care more about other Egyptians that do Muslims from other nations. I would hope, however, that if you embrace this thinking, that you will care more about the welfare of Egyptian Copts, your fellow Egyptian citizens, than you do about Palestinians, who are your brothers only in Islam.

 

[The SC]

The opening thread linked piece is very compelling. As a Christian and a PhD Physicist, I agree with almost all of what is said. I do not think you need Islam to have this understanding, however. Christian teachings, which predate Islam by ~ 600 years, bring me to the same cosmological view as expounded in the OP. Islam was an "unnecessary" revelation to know God, in my view.

Having the understanding and having the mean to apply it in ones daily life are two different things, knowledge without application is like a donkey with a heavy weight on his back, it doesn't even know what it is used for.

Islam is the last major confirmation of all the major monotheistic faiths that preceded it by millennias, not only Christianity.
Jesus himself didn't claim divinity, and Christian Churches have managed to distort the original message to the point that Jesus is the son of god , thus he is god and he is dead for your sins, so you can do whatever you want (as some rotten children), you will always be forgiven your sins (immorality) through his blood literally meaning paganism at its highest levels of sacrifice rituals by sacrificing others to purify your souls, the same goes for Judaism to witch you are linked to very intimately, which shows in all the savage wars that history has ever witnessed even and mostly between Christians; Greeks against Romans for example and most recently WW1 and WW2 atomic bombing of Japan, a million dead in Iraq, hundred of thousands in Afghanistan at the hands of Christian Russia and Christian USA and Europe.

Now do you see why Islam was a necessity!

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Of course it is not wrong. You must have the right to associate with other human beings who care most about your welfare. Maybe in another few hundred years that will be true of "humanity" as a whole, but it is not true today. Egyptians care more about other Egyptians that do Muslims from other nations. I would hope, however, that if you embrace this thinking, that you will care more about the welfare of Egyptian Copts, your fellow Egyptian citizens, than you do about Palestinians, who are your brothers only in Islam.

i would gladly die for any egyptian christian muslim or non beliver and palastinen cause has killed about at least 60 000 egyptians wasted alot of money these arabs has used our army to fight for 40 years and then they left us alone and sold us out . after the 52 revelotion we were going to be a superpower we had our own jet in the 60 s Helwan 300 we had indistry we had it all but arabs must fight to the last egyptian will not anymore if they want a free palstine let them attack for once these gulf countrys who are trying to destroy everything we have our army our culture our economy they want us to be a wahabi extreme country

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If it is none of MY business, it is even more so, none of yours. You are a PRC Communist atheist are you not? Certainly your posts show no sympathy for Abrahamic faiths, of any stripe. Troll on Chinese Kitty......

The point of the pre-dation of Christianity over Islam is to say that Mohammed's relevations add nothing essential to an understanding of God, or salvation, to anyone who truly understands Christianity.

Well, does this mean that the Atheist doesn't have the right to discuss religion?

Islam believes that both Jesus Christ and Muhammad were the prophets sent by the God, while Christianity believes that Jesus Christ was the son of the God. How can Christianity consider to be saner than Islam?

The Muslims respect both Jesus and Muhammad, while the Christians not only dissed Muhammad, they even dissed Allah as the bloody moon god.

I bet that Jehovah must be pissed as hell when he just saw those white supremacists just keep trashtalking on his alternate name and massacring his chosen people in the Middle East.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Now do you see why Islam was a necessity!

No. Islam's warriors killed millions themselves. Don't conflate the failures of the human mind, the depravity that is there along with the benevolent, with Christianity or Judiasm or Islam. You believe that Islam was both necessary and beneficial. My guess is that you were born into Islam as I was into Christianity. Trust me, people can know God and can resonate with the sentiments of the piece you opened this thread, without converting away from the religion of their parents. You may be proud of your religion, and confident that it is the "most" correct of the Abrahamic faiths, but you are not the arbiter of the truth any more than I am. What allows humans to get along is to respect that others may find the same truths that they do, but along different paths. What causes humans to go to war is to be so confident that they alone are right that the "other", who does not share their subjective belief, is not worthy of friendship or protection. Don't be an Islamic supremacist. It is not necessary or the will of Allah.

 

[The SC]

what if i think that my country and my people better than everyone else and that i dont want any unity arab or chalphite of course i support helping fellow muslims but to cancel my country and my history well i cant do that
is this wrong ?

In a true spirit of Islam, you can not claim that your people are the best, some might be better than other fellow Muslims, while others might have better people than some of yours, so the whole premise is false.

To be part of the Muslim Ummah you have to believe in sharing whatever you have as riches with others, since you never know what others can bring to you that might be worth more than what you have to offer them, in knowledge, wealth, health or else .
To cancel a country or its history is a bit far-fetched talk, Islam accepts all cultures, and to be part of the Muslim Ummah one does not need to give up his love for his country or culture, but the love of god and Islam takes precedence in a true spirit of Islam.