The Saudi Arabian path to nuclear weapons

[Battlion25]

Do you have a source about the population center? please provide where it's shown that it's split 50-50, would appreciate. The ceasefire could end any moment. Both sides accepted it, some saudi allies like sudanese and moroccans escaped because they saw no end to the conflict.

There are sources in this forum itself. Yeah Ceasefire could end but what good would it bring to the houthis except seeing Sanaa bombarded out of existence and Hoidadeh but out of comission and infrastructure destroyed and losing territories in the grinding war to their local foes.. The Houthis know there is no upside to this conflict for them in it's resumption.. They were losing ground and put pressure on the international community to ethablish ceasefire.. They are fatigued... Living thru famine in their areas including their cities have been send back to the stoneages they need decades to recover

 

[Corruptistan]

Not really.. The population center is split 50-50.. I remember I went thru that with one another poster here couple of months. We did due diligence and found out that the population split is 50-50..

They ain't defeating the local foe they are fighting who is much stronger then them forget about KSA-UAE they are irrelevant in this.. They are zero chance that is why they accepted the ceasefire militarily they can't do much.. They ain't going to walk thru only Maribbeans forget about the Southern transitional separatist, Islah, armed forces and Giant brigdes. They are better equipped and equally motivated which dealt them a blow.. They were singlehandily defeated by the Maribbean tribes

Some people are truly deluded to believe that all 30 million Yemenis are going to accept the backward rule of the Houthis who cannot offer anything to Yemenis and have no future plans. Ironically Northern Yemen only survives due to trade with next door KSA and the help of people from Southern KSA who are close to Northern Yemenis and vice versa. In every farm, company, labor intensive workplace, you will find Northern Yemenis (many illegal) that work. They all know the ridiculousness of the endeavor of the Houthis.

Basically this is just the North/South Yemen split manifesting itself again. Zaydis (Northern Yemenis are very tribal) have rallied base on tribal and sectarian (Zaydi) allegiance and the Southerns the same with those in between caught in between.

Even if KSA (and everyone else) completely departed Yemen, they will continue to fight each other and nobody would ever gain the upper hand completely. Nor would the powers that be (KSA and the world community) allow it. Yemen is too important for that strategically. This is why KSA will never leave a permanently unstable/hostile Yemen.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

There are sources in this forum itself. Yeah Ceasefire could end but what good would it bring to the houthis except seeing Sanaa bombarded out of existence and Hoidadeh but out of comission and infrastructure destroyed and losing territories in the grinding war to their local foes.. The Houthis know they is no upside to this conflict for them in it's resumption

if sanaa and hodaida were to be destroyed.. saudi had 8 years time, so that will probably take another 10-20 years or something. Saudis have more to lose than Yemens Ansarallah (financial, reputation, military). This is the fact. You know how much saudis spent in this war.

 

[Corruptistan]

if sanaa and hodaida were to be destroyed.. saudi had 8 years time, so that will probably take another 10-20 years or something. Saudis have more to lose than Yemens Ansarallah (financial, reputation, military). This is the fact. You know how much saudis spent in this war.

KSA has not destroyed any city. They could have razed all of Yemen by their air power alone but have wisely not done so as it would be counterproductive. Nor is there big enthusiasm (among Saudi Arabian soldiers I imagine) to destroy shared Arabian culture. Yemen hosts some of the most beautiful, best preserved and ancient cities in the world.

If not for open Iranian support of Houthis, I would struggle to see Saudi Arabian soldiers being motivated to even fight against fellow Arabs (Yemenis), but this support makes it easier to fight them as they are seen as Arab traitors and Iranian agents that are out there to hurt Yemen and KSA.

As fo spending, I read that the war is mainly financed by Yemeni oil and gas (which is controlled by KSA and the Yemeni government) which make sense given that it is a civil war so the Yemeni government is an official (key) part. BTW other than early operations that liberated main cities in Yemen from Houthis, KSA soldiers have been limited to the border areas and select few special operations. Otherwise the fighting takes place between Yemenis. Hence it being a civil war.

 

[Battlion25]

if sanaa and hodaida were to be destroyed.. saudi had 8 years time, so that will probably take another 10-20 years or something. Saudis have more to lose than Yemens Ansarallah (financial, reputation, military). This is the fact. You know how much saudis spent in this war.

They didn't spend shxt.. This is a civil war where the Islah and Giants bridges are actully stronger then them.. KSA can just take the back seat and watch the locals batter the houthis which is what happened really.. But the Houthis want the KSA involved because they can't admit to losing solely to a local foe..

Sanaa is completely destroyed so is the other cities they live in.. Without ever putting forces on the ground.. They are technically send back in time and will take them almost 1 trillion to rebuild from these ashes..

The Question is what are you gonna do....... Take more torment or you gonna say no mas

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

They didn't spend shxt.. This is a civil war where the Islah and Giants bridges are actully stronger then them.. KSA can just take the back seat and watch the locals batter the houthis which is what happened really.. But the Houthis want the KSA involved because they can't admit to losing solely to a local foe..

Sanaa is completely destroyed so is the other cities they live in.. Without ever putting forces on the ground.. They are technically send back in time and will take them almost 1 trillion to rebuild from these ashes..

The Question is what are you gonna do....... Take more torment or you gonna say no mas

Destruction of Yemeni capital does not mean that Saudi has won. It just makes a big part of the population (at least 50%) angry towards saudi arabia and will motivate them for new war. Saudi cannot accept Ansarallah as component of Yemen because that would allow Iran to enter the Yemeni market and support Yemen militarily and getting influence in red sea.

The cost of sustaining the air, ground, and sea operation is said to have reached $200 million a day.

 

[Battlion25]

Destruction of Yemeni capital does not mean that Saudi has won. It just makes a big part of the population (at least 50%) angry towards saudi arabia and will motivate them for new war. Saudi cannot accept Ansarallah as component of Yemen because that would allow Iran to enter the Yemeni market and support Yemen militarily and getting influence in red sea.

I don't think they would mind a small enclave there as long as the their counter-part yemenis surround them and have them in check..

These Sayidis are local and have ever been there.. No reason in committing genocide to remove them and this would be bad for them internationally..

Not really if you don't control the Bab-Al Manbaq you nobody can have any control there really nothing enters that is not sanctioned by them.. They have full control over the red sea and will be unrivaled as long as they control the Bab-Al Mandaq and the surrounding islands

 

[Corruptistan]

Destruction of Yemeni capital does not mean that Saudi has won. It just makes a big part of the population (at least 50%) angry towards saudi arabia and will motivate them for new war. Saudi cannot accept Ansarallah as component of Yemen because that would allow Iran to enter the Yemeni market and support Yemen militarily and getting influence in red sea.

First of all Sana'a is not destroyed at all, lol. The entire world saw that already during the Houthi/allied forces military parade. So let us end this bullshit first.

Secondly Iranian influence can only be limited to smuggling of weapons. Nothing else really as KSA controls all the land borders of Yemen (Oman the other) and sea ports. Which is why Iranians are left smuggling weapons through small shipping boats, many of which have been busted by KSA and even the US NAVY that operates in the region.

Iran cannot gain any substantial influence in the Red Sea. It is not possible logistically nor are there any pro-Iranian regime governments in power in any country that borders the Red Sea. They are all pro-KSA/under KSA-influence.

Lastly Yemenis, like all other Arabs, will never accept any foreign "overlords". Ottomans, Brits, Romans, Ethiopians, Persians and many other foreigners can confirm this.

On the other hand, Arabs inhabit/control most of the Persian Gulf. Even on the other side (Arab communities).

I don't think they would mind a small enclave there as long as the their counter-part yemenis surround them and have them in check..

These Sayidis are local and have ever been there.. No reason in committing genocide to remove them and this would be bad for them internationally..

Not really if you don't control the Bab-Al Manbaq you nobody can have any control there really nothing enters that is not sanctioned by them.. They have full control over the red sea and will be unrivaled as long as they control the Bab-Al Mandaq and the surrounding islands

Sayyids? You mean Zaydis. Zaydis are a Shia Muslim branch that is close to Sunni Islam (the closest Shia branch). The Houthis leadership claims Sayyid ancestry but many leaders in the region do that (almost).

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

I don't think they would mind a small enclave there as long as the their counter-part yemenis surround them and have them in check..

These Sayidis are local and have ever been there.. No reason in committing genocide to remove them and this would be bad for them internationally..

Not really if you don't control the Bab-Al Manbaq you nobody can have any control there really nothing enters that is not sanctioned by them

So a basic question:

Will Saudi Arabia recognize Ansarallah? If so logically Iran will enter that area (trade, legal air transfer, weapon exports, military cooperation etc). Houtis control Hodaida, that will give Iran access to red sea. Already Iranian military ships are going through red sea.
If the mentioned relation between Ansarallah and Iran is not allowed, then war will continue because Iran is main partner for AnsarAllah.

 

[Corruptistan]

So a basic question:

Will Saudi Arabia recognize Ansarallah? If so logically Iran will enter that area (trade, legal air transfer, weapon exports, military cooperation etc). Houtis control Hodaida, that will give Iran access to red sea. Already Iranian military ships are going through red sea.
If the mentioned relation between Ansarallah and Iran is not allowed, then war will continue because Iran is main partner for AnsarAllah.

The Red Sea is internal waters. Ships from Uruguay and Papua New Guinea can sail through it. 15% of all the world's trade passes through it on a daily basis.

That will obviously never happen most likely.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

The Red Sea is internal waters. Ships from Uruguay and Papua New Guinea can sail through it. 15% of all the world's trade passes through it on a daily basis.

That will obviously never happen most likely.

I mean Iranian military ships being permanently or for long periods docket at hodaida. And if you say saudi will not accept deep relation between Ansarallah and Iran, then I guess war will start again.

 

[Battlion25]

I mean Iranian military ships being permanently or for long periods docket at hodaida. And if you say saudi will not accept deep relation between Ansarallah and Iran, then I guess war will start again.

Lmao.. Putting your entire conversation in something you don't understand.. There is no relevance in docking in a foreign port. But it is all comes down to who controlls the strait's enters and exits the rest is irrelevant... The other way around to you answer is actully genociding the eternally local Sayids they may have been under Saladin, Mamluki and Ottoman rule in different eras but they were always Sayids

 

[Hydration]

Yes, some Egyptian-made Youtube video by deluded Egyptian ultra-nationalists that don't like scientific facts (DNA), is a better claim that PEER-REVIEWED scientifically published material from 2017 with no biases. Got, you. Secondly you will probably also deny the large Sub-Saharan African element in Egyptian modern-day DNA while we are at it.

Yup you didnt even watch or read the sources. Something i have to expect from now on. As i said before 3 mummies out of 150 were genetically analyzed in a popular tourist attraction during hellenic rule that was popular to European origin tourists and with your abysmal 101 biology skills this is called an unreliable biased research as it analyzed data from one singular area thats why its biased and from one era biased again and unreliable as it took a very low ammount test subjects to base the data. Theres a difference between reliabaility and accuracy of data and this research is accurate as its a well known international organization but not reliable for the reasons above that are mentioned in the sources that you refuse to read. The same sources you refuse to read didnot say theres no subsaharn african DNA in modern Egyptians but DNA of the ancestors remains dominant over most Egyptians espicially the Copts. Study doesnt specify how many modern egyptians were tested or were tests have done the same mistake of choosing a singular place to test where there is an arab majority outside of the nile basin like matrouh or sinai. And you are a history buff so youre supposed to know massive migration from arabia balkans anatolia north africa sub saharan africa and the levant to Egypt during the islamic golden age. This explains why there is DNA affiliation between Egyptians and all of those races and also Muslims didnt have problems with copts unlike the romans. There was no recorded mass migration of Egyptians from Egypt in History. Arab DNA was infected by Egyptian according to the sources above and vice versa. Now will you actually behave and talk with logic instead of bashing links with no understanding to it? This all accounts to that modern day Egyptians are the same Egyptians that ruled over Ancient Egypt which is still the most Inffluential society in all of history. And btw that number was from an article puplished from 2017 not 1980 their placement is not known but their purpose is to support the kingdom in times of crisis and not yemen as he specified directly

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Lmao.. Putting your entire conversation in something you don't understand.. There is no relevance in docking in a foreign port. But it is all comes down to who controlls strait's enters and exits the rest is irrelevant

So for Saudi it's irrelevant if Iran builds missile base in Yemen? just one of the examples of what will become possible if peace is made and Ansarallah becomes a recognized component of Yemen.

 

[Tom-tom]

I do support Saudi Arabia getting nuclear weapons.

I know Pakistan's prestigious position would be weakened, but Saudi Arabia Muslims as well.

I would rather have Iran gain nukes, as the ksa is not facing any intimidation or threats.

The Iran is, also Iran has much developed industrial complex. From diesel engines for trucks to drones.

It's is much more beneficial for the Muslims world for Iran, to get out of their stalemate.

So far ksa has bombed the s out poor Yemen as the people voted a Shia leader in power. Also that meant ksa could no longer steal oil from Yemen.


Yemen even though oil rich has been barred by ksa to selling its oil to the world.