The Question of Indian MIRV

[Safriz]

Agni series is not specifily made for Pakistan with 3000km plus rage from Agni 3 onwards.. I did not mentioned Agni variants before Agni 3. Did I ?
Check the plan where Rafales are to be stationed -- u will get the answer--- in case of war.. yes there services will be taken when ever it is necessary.
SU-30MKI are placed all around the country, from far east to far west, north to south until Andamans... so the fleet is not Pak specific. or do you think it is ?
I never talked about the AC that would be 3 CBU in near future .. it will be used to block and choke either Malacca or Arabian sea and will certainly dominate Indian ocean... but all 3 for Pakistan navy... seriously ????

Sorry to burst our bubble, but Agni-3 and Agni-5 are not officially deployed yet. Only Agni 4 is deployed and ready and that will have to be fired from far North of India to be able to reach Beijing. Only Agni-5 when deployed will be able to target Beijing from anywhere in India.
Here is the map of from where A-4 will have to be fired to reach Beijing,

 

[Smoking Snakes]

Which brings us back to original question : where is your mirv???

Which also brings us back to the question, where are your MIRVs?

 

[Safriz]

Which also brings us back to the question, where are your MIRVs?

Which brings us back to the question why we only get Indian school boys on this forum?

 

[Smoking Snakes]

Which brings us back to the question why we only get Indian school boys on this forum?

I think you are the little girl shouting at the buffalo in your old avatar.

 

[patman]

Which brings us back to original question : where is your mirv???

probably built in secret , considering India has allegedly a nuclear arms manufacturing city i wouldn't be surprised , probably will remain hidden and stored in secret considering we are trying to get into NSG

 

[Safriz]

I think you are the little girl shouting at the buffalo in your old avatar.

Or i could be a cross dressing transvestite. How is that relevant to the thread?
Point is ISPR said in official press release that Ababeel is MIRV and nose cone shape , plus Palistani warhead sizes are credible evidence.
No such statement from Indian official sources and no missile from India has the hallmark Bi-Conical Warhead bay needed for MIRV.
That's why i am calling you a schoolboy who deos not understand anything and relies on repetitive gibberish to win an argument.

 

[BABA AGHORI]

Sorry to burst our bubble, but Agni-3 and Agni-5 are not officially deployed yet. Only Agni 4 is deployed and ready and that will have to be fired from far North of India to be able to reach Beijing. Only Agni-5 when deployed will be able to target Beijing from anywhere in India.
Here is the map of from where A-4 will have to be fired to reach Beijing,

There are a lot of stuff which is not deployed,
Are MIRV capable missiles deployed in Pakistan?
Can only Beijing be a target of missiles in China?

Please explain which bubble you managed to burst?

 

[NKVD]

Point is ISPR said in official press release that Ababeel is MIRV and nose cone shape , plus Palistani warhead sizes are credible evidence.

This is Not Credible Evidence what Abadeel only depict call MIRV launcher bus Lol Its far from Demonstrating A actual capacity to test With So less range Its Scientifically Impossible to Actually demonstrate MIRV's in Abadeel

Pakistan no scientific Credibility Or research to Back there claim because it was Never Tested

You not even have credible SLVs

India can Claim To have 5 MT Level Nuke Without Nuclear tests World will believe that Unless It has credible scientific research to back its claims

Yes a credible Research not fanboy daydreaming On Defense Forum's

As Of Now Only US And Russian demonstrated RV warhead Interning into Earth atmosphere


This Actual demonstration

 

[ashok321]

India was last heard working on its MIRV, hence it is the positive case. More likely within 2 more years and they will test it first (with mock warheads), and later announce the world as they always do.

Because India believes in the following adage:
If you have it, flaunt it.

But the yield of each individual miniaturized warhead will be questionable and according to my mind it would be much less than 200KT - India's top numbers (capacity). Simply because they have not tested multiple times, as is the case of other P-5 members.

Compressing of (design) fission fusion boost device involving a primary & secondary is a tough nut to crack.

While the fissionable material in both the stages weighs hardly anything in comparison to other components which occupy weight & volume, namely; Explosive lenses, DU temper, device casing, electronics add up more than the PU-239 or Uranium-235 along with little dose of Tritium. And to miniaturize the those enlisted items without jeopardizing the integrity of the whole weapon is the crux of the matter.

To miniaturize the bomb, the efficiency is the key word. You want to get the higher most yield with little weight. Hence its the case of better yield to weight ratio. Then comes the case of integrity of the device itself if everything is not proportionate in the device which must be robust:

Both the delivered/dropped bombs of yester era viz; Hiroshima & Nagasaki had poor design combined with poor yield..

Also note that not all the fission material packed into the device undergoes fission: Little boy of Hiroshima fame had 64 Kg of fissile material, but only one Kg underwent nuclear fission.

Here is the example:

 

[NKVD]

but Agni-3

Agni-3 is already deployed

https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/agni-3/

 

[AKD]

India can deploy multiple satellites at different orbits. So MIRV isn't a big problem but the question arises that what would India use it for because A5 is more than sufficient for external threats.
We Will see MIRV in A6.

 

[nair]

Does India has deployed warhead Capable of being MIRV? Considering the dimensions of existing warhead s and existing Missiles?

Very difficult to find an answer to this question.... Especially the way we keep our nuclear program secret..... There have been development happening for a very long time, but how far we are ahead, it is anybody's guess..... Those who believe we do not have such capability are free to believe so.....

 

[Smoking Snakes]

Or i could be a cross dressing transvestite. How is that relevant to the thread?
Point is ISPR said in official press release that Ababeel is MIRV and nose cone shape , plus Palistani warhead sizes are credible evidence.
No such statement from Indian official sources and no missile from India has the hallmark Bi-Conical Warhead bay needed for MIRV.
That's why i am calling you a schoolboy who deos not understand anything and relies on repetitive gibberish to win an argument.

Nope, no V separation photos were relesed, even ISPR made no mention of MIRV test but only MIRV capable.

Also nobody tests MIRV in first tests, Trident MIRV was tested only in its 7th test whereas Bulava on 5th test.

 

[sparten]

Ababeel is very under developed missile with a mere one test.
Even U.S. tested MIRV s in Tridebt in only its 7th test and Russian tested MIRV s on Bulava in its 5th test.

Launching multiple satellites which is same tech is MRV is yet to be demonstrated by Pakistan.
Only after proving MRV tech can Pakistan move towards MIRV.

Bullshit. MRV is not a necessary percusor to MIRV, completely different technology. Its like saying learning to ride a bicycle is the needed before you can drive a car. MRV was the first idea proposed in the 1960's to defeat then under development ABM's. It was only ever deployed on Polaris and later Posideon SLBM's. MIRV was a related but seperate tech deployed on the Minuteman III. MRV works by simply having multiple RV's in the nose cone. An MIRV works by having multiple warheads on a bus with its own impulse motor which places each RV on a seperate trajectory.

What a noon.
There is very little difference between launching multiple sats & MRV.
MRV is the first step towards MIRV.

Bullshit. An MIRV bus can be adopted (with some modifications and reduced performance) into an orbital kick motor. The converse in not true at all. Any medium to long range missile (i.e any missile that may carry an MRV or MIRV, but also true for SRV) needs to have midcourse correction otherwise inaccuracy through gravity and atmoshpoeheric interfereance will cause it to veer off course.

You also need to have a system to get the RV to reorient itself towards the target, otherwise at the speeds it needs to go, it will enter an irregular and high unstable "orbit" which will eventually cause it to end God knows where.

An MIRV motor needs to be able to place every RV with a CEP of a 100 m or so versus an orbital insertion box, (for satellites) which is several KM across.

I admire Indian successes in space and wish SUPARCO would gets off its fat arse, but your post is not factual in the least.

Nope, no V separation photos were relesed, even ISPR made no mention of MIRV test but only MIRV capable.

Also nobody tests MIRV in first tests, Trident MIRV was tested only in its 7th test whereas Bulava on 5th test.

Bullshit mk 3 AND 4.

No one releases pictures of RV hitting targets. That tells too much information to a potential adversary, and frankly its not our purposes to do RAW and Indian MI's job for it. Russian and America do release photos, since they have already shared technical details which each other during various Arms Controls Treaties. Note you don't see French or Chinese RV photos either.

When Trident and or Bulava tested MIRV 's is not germane to the discussion at all. Those were brand new missiles, built from the ground up. They had to have a very conservative testing phases. They had new motors, new submarines (Ohio and Borai class resepctively), new interstages, guidance, software and new MIRV buses.

The Ababeel is nothing like that. Despite the name, its a continuation of the Shaheen II an Shaheen III series. The closest thing to it in the US/Russian experience is the Minuteman. Where Minuteman I and II were SRV missiles, while Minuteman III was an MIRV missile, basically a Minuteman II with an MIRV bus on top and when it was first tested, it **did** carry MIRV's. The Ababeel is basically a Shaheen III first stage with a Shaheen II second stage and a MIRV bus on top. Except for the top bit, it employe very little new harfware.

 

[Smoking Snakes]

Bullshit. MRV is not a necessary percusor to MIRV, completely different technology. Its like saying learning to ride a bicycle is the needed before you can drive a car. MRV was the first idea proposed in the 1960's to defeat then under development ABM's. It was only ever deployed on Polaris and later Posideon SLBM's. MIRV was a related but seperate tech deployed on the Minuteman III. MRV works by simply having multiple RV's in the nose cone. An MIRV works by having multiple warheads on a bus with its own impulse motor which places each RV on a seperate trajectory.

Bullshit.
MRV is the first step towards MIRV.

Bullshit. MRV is not a necessary percusor to MIRV, completely different technology. Its like saying learning to ride a bicycle is the needed before you can drive a car. MRV was the first idea proposed in the 1960's to defeat then under development ABM's. It was only ever deployed on Polaris and later Posideon SLBM's. MIRV was a related but seperate tech deployed on the Minuteman III. MRV works by simply having multiple RV's in the nose cone. An MIRV works by having multiple warheads on a bus with its own impulse motor which places each RV on a seperate trajectory.


Bullshit. An MIRV bus can be adopted (with some modifications and reduced performance) into an orbital kick motor. The converse in not true at all. Any medium to long range missile (i.e any missile that may carry an MRV or MIRV, but also true for SRV) needs to have midcourse correction otherwise inaccuracy through gravity and atmoshpoeheric interfereance will cause it to veer off course.

You also need to have a system to get the RV to reorient itself towards the target, otherwise at the speeds it needs to go, it will enter an irregular and high unstable "orbit" which will eventually cause it to end God knows where.

An MIRV motor needs to be able to place every RV with a CEP of a 100 m or so versus an orbital insertion box, (for satellites) which is several KM across.

I admire Indian successes in space and wish SUPARCO would gets off its fat arse, but your post is not factual in the least.


Bullshit mk 3 AND 4.

No one releases pictures of RV hitting targets. That tells too much information to a potential adversary, and frankly its not our purposes to do RAW and Indian MI's job for it. Russian and America do release photos, since they have already shared technical details which each other during various Arms Controls Treaties. Note you don't see French or Chinese RV photos either.

When Trident and or Bulava tested MIRV 's is not germane to the discussion at all. Those were brand new missiles, built from the ground up. They had to have a very conservative testing phases. They had new motors, new submarines (Ohio and Borai class resepctively), new interstages, guidance, software and new MIRV buses.

The Ababeel is nothing like that. Despite the name, its a continuation of the Shaheen II an Shaheen III series. The closest thing to it in the US/Russian experience is the Minuteman. Where Minuteman I and II were SRV missiles, while Minuteman III was an MIRV missile, basically a Minuteman II with an MIRV bus on top and when it was first tested, it **did** carry MIRV's. The Ababeel is basically a Shaheen III first stage with a Shaheen II second stage and a MIRV bus on top. Except for the top bit, it employe very little new harfware.

The fact is Ababeel has been tested on've which means MIRV was not even tested and the range of test was hilariously only 1800km.
And all nations save China have released pics of MIRV separation.