The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

And you think that we believe in this brotherhood due to certain acts of Muslims? Our belief of brotherhood dosnt depend upon the rightful or wrongful acts of Muslims. It depends on the principles of Quran and Sunnah.

If our fellow brothers would do something wrong against us then we will take measures against them and then we will leave their matter to God. He is the best punisher. If they ally themselves with Kufaar, then we will fight them and their infidel friends. Just as we are fighting their liberal allies in Pakistan . However, a Muslim can never be equated to a Kafir, unless he renounce his Islam.

The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy.
Surah e Hujarat 10

The believing men and believing women are allies of one another.
Surah e Toba 71

They say: Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts any resentment toward those who have faith. Our Lord, you are kind and merciful.
Surah e Hashr 10

Messenger of Allah Said: Do not hate each other, do not envy each other, do not turn away from each other, but rather be servants of Allah as brothers.
Bukhari 5718

Allah's Messenger Said: The parable of the believers in their affection, mercy, and compassion for each other is that of a body. When any limb aches, the whole body reacts with sleeplessness and fever. Bukhari 5665

Now, please bring your evidence against Quran and Hadith, if you have any.

Where does it say in the Quran or Hadith that we have to be errand boys for so called "Muslims" who embrace and collude with those that call for the death and destruction of other races of Muslims?:

Could you please present your evidence?

I have heard your theories many times. Now its time to present your arguments, support your claim with something meaningful. Invoke your deities, write something with evidence and logic. Show us your high IQ level by refuting arguments with arguments. Parroting same thing again and again will not serve any purpose.

The ONLY thing that means ANYTHING is the well-being of Pakistan and ALL Pakistanis. All else means NOTHING. I want Pakistan and our people to be just as successful and powerful as the White Western European and Far Eastern races. I also want our one and only enemy to be permanently exterminated. I'm not about having a debate about religious or Islamic theocracy. I just don't care.

Love Pakistan.

Make Pakistan great and powerful.

 

[GHALIB]

Excellent post !

This is my own thread on that from 2016. It is a lengthy article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha chronicling Islamic Socialism and Muslim socialist activism since the 1900s.

I quote one section :

So any sensible Muslim shouldn't have objections to non-Muslim developments in Socialism and Communism.

About Gaddafi's Libya here is a thread about Libyan implementation of Socialism.

But I await the entry of certain regressive trolls to get outraged about your post.

well said .

 

[Verve]

@PAKISTANFOREVER

Israel is a non-starter. Our stance is fixed: implement the UN resolutions for recognition. Recognition without UN resolutions implementation would severely weaken us diplomatically on Kashmir. Other than a handful $b short term gain, we stand to loose big time. Shortsighted move and strategic blunder that would be. Our nukes will still haunt the West so technology from West won't come! Recognition for some cursed financial aid with conditions?

Pakistan needs to move towards a genuine Islamic system, as envisioned by our founding fathers. We should play the peacemaker for other muslim nations but reliance on them should be zero! We have the resources and capabilities, but not the system to harness it all!

Sectarian Mullahs (monkeys on mimbur!) are a much bigger problem than the pseudo liberals. Strong nationalism I agree and it will materialise when the country is run on Quran and Sunnah. Ummah unity is not going to happen until after the biggest of wars and Pakistan's role until then should be one of peacemaker only whilst moving to a genuine Islamic System to grow strong!

Remember brother, laws and rules are not set on the earth! They have been sent from above. We want to be powerful, we must obey those divine laws and rules.

Implementing the Islamic System is our toughest challenge. Strength and power will come after that, as shown by thousands of barely armed muslim armies destroying the biggest empires on earth with advance weapons of those times and hundreds of thousands in armies!

 

[Mutakalim]

Where does it say in the Quran or Hadith that we have to be errand boys for so called "Muslims" who embrace and collude with those that call for the death and destruction of other races of Muslims?:

I believe in Muslim brotherhood, not in becoming errand boys for traitors. Nor did I have claimed anywhere that we should support traitors. Your objections were against concept of Muslim ummah and Muslim brotherhood. Do you believe that all Muslims are brothers of one another?

Nonetheless, can you please tell me that who are these "so called" Muslims. And how you reach to that conclusion that they are "so called Muslims". Do you believe that they Islam is doubtful? Or do you believe that they are not Muslims anymore?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

@PAKISTANFOREVER

Israel is a non-starter. Our stance is fixed: implement the UN resolutions for recognition. Recognition without UN resolutions implementation would severely weaken us diplomatically on Kashmir. Other than a handful $b short term gain, we stand to loose big time. Shortsighted move and strategic blunder that would be. Our nukes will still haunt the West so technology from West won't come! Recognition for some cursed financial aid with conditions?

Pakistan needs to move towards a genuine Islamic system, as envisioned by our founding fathers. We should play the peacemaker for other muslim nations but reliance on them should be zero! We have the resources and capabilities, but not the system to harness it all!

Sectarian Mullahs (monkeys on mimbur!) are a much bigger problem than the pseudo liberals. Strong nationalism I agree and it will materialise when the country is run on Quran and Sunnah. Ummah unity is not going to happen until after the biggest of wars and Pakistan's role should be one of peacemaker only whilst moving to a genuine Islamic System to grow strong!

Remember brother, laws and rules are not set on the earth! They have been sent from above. We want to be powerful, we must obey those divine laws and rules.

Implementing the Islamic System is our toughest challenge. Strength will come after that, as shown by thousands of muslims barely armed destroying the biggest empires on earth with advance weapons and hundreds of thousands in armies!

If we are going to gain nothing from accepting Israel then to hell with accepting them. Before we start to think big about being key players for non-Pakistanis we SERIOUSLY need to sort out our own problems and make Pakistan prosperous and powerful. If we are not careful and don't sort out our own problems FIRST, we are going to end up more impoverished and starving than both Sub-Saharan Africa and india. By some measures we already are. By the way, here is the gratitude shown to Pakistanis by the Palestinians Mashallah for not recognizing Israel:

 

[Mutakalim]

I'll tell you what makes us a nation. It's called PAKISTAN and ONLY PAKISTANI nationalism matters. If you can't feel that in your heart, soul and every fibre of your being then you need to question which nation does your loyalty and love lie with?

I dont want to know your feelings. A lot of people feel a lot of different crazy things. The thing which matters the most is whether their feelings makes any logic or not. Please present something logical to support your claim. I will repeat my question again. What makes us a nation? What is the basis of Pakistani nationalism?

The ONLY thing that means ANYTHING is the well-being of Pakistan and ALL Pakistanis. All else means NOTHING. I want Pakistan and our people to be just as successful and powerful as the White Western European and Far Eastern races. I also want our one and only enemy to be permanently exterminated. I'm not about having a debate about religious or Islamic theocracy. I just don't care.

So you came here for parroting same garbage again and again, without any evidence or logic? IMHO, we dont need this nationalism based on ignorance and idiocy just like the nationalism of our Hindu neighbour.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I believe in Muslim brotherhood, not in becoming errand boys for traitors. Nor did I have claimed anywhere that we should support traitors. Your objections were against concept of Muslim ummah and Muslim brotherhood. Do you believe that all Muslims are brothers of one another?

Nonetheless, can you please tell me that who are these "so called" Muslims. And how you reach to that conclusion that they are "so called Muslims". Do you believe that they Islam is doubtful? Or do you believe that they are not Muslims anymore?

Here is your so called "Ummah" and "Muslim brotherhood" Mashallah:

It doesn't end there:

Looking at the above picture, do NOT be surprised if the saudi King floods Makkah and Medinah with indian hindus and sikhs.






PS Alice in Wonderland is more real than the so called "Ummah" or "Muslim brotherhood".........

I dont want to know your feelings. A lot of people feel a lot of different crazy things. The thing which matters the most is whether their feelings makes any logic or not. Please present something logical to support your claim. I will repeat my question again. What makes us a nation? What is the basis of Pakistani nationalism?


So you came here for parroting same garbage again and again, without any evidence or logic? IMHO, we dont need this nationalism based on ignorance and idiocy just like the nationalism of our Hindu neighbour.

So according to you, it makes sense to make Pakistan a dumping ground for non-Pakistanis and their problems? To make Pakistani people the slaves of non-Pakistanis and their interests?.............

 

[Mutakalim]

PS Alice in Wonderland is more real than the so called "Ummah" or "Muslim brotherhood".........

The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy.
Surah e Hujarat 10

The believing men and believing women are allies of one another.
Surah e Toba 71

They say: Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts any resentment toward those who have faith. Our Lord, you are kind and merciful.
Surah e Hashr 10

Messenger of Allah Said: Do not hate each other, do not envy each other, do not turn away from each other, but rather be servants of Allah as brothers.
Bukhari 5718

Allah's Messenger Said: The parable of the believers in their affection, mercy, and compassion for each other is that of a body. When any limb aches, the whole body reacts with sleeplessness and fever. Bukhari 5665

Do you believe in these verses of Quran and sayings of Prophet? And do you believe that these two men are no longer Muslim?

 

[El Sidd]

The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy.
Surah e Hujarat 10

The believing men and believing women are allies of one another.
Surah e Toba 71

They say: Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts any resentment toward those who have faith. Our Lord, you are kind and merciful.
Surah e Hashr 10

Messenger of Allah Said: Do not hate each other, do not envy each other, do not turn away from each other, but rather be servants of Allah as brothers.
Bukhari 5718

Allah's Messenger Said: The parable of the believers in their affection, mercy, and compassion for each other is that of a body. When any limb aches, the whole body reacts with sleeplessness and fever. Bukhari 5665

Do you believe in these verses of Quran and sayings of Prophet? And do you believe that these two men are no longer Muslim?

Let him be

 

[Verve]

If we are going to gain nothing from accepting Israel then to hell with accepting them. Before we start to think big about being key players for non-Pakistanis we SERIOUSLY need to sort out our own problems and make Pakistan prosperous and powerful. If we are not careful and don't sort out our own problems FIRST, we are going to end up more impoverished and starving than both Sub-Saharan Africa and india. By some measures we already are. By the way, here is the gratitude shown to Pakistanis by the Palestinians Mashallah for not recognizing Israel:

Forget gaining anything, we are going to loose. Recognition is going to open a can of worms inside Pakistan with Israeli embassy operating only a few kms from GHQ! Plus lots more!

I agree. It is all about internal issues hence the need for Islamic System.

The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy.
Surah e Hujarat 10

The believing men and believing women are allies of one another.
Surah e Toba 71

They say: Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts any resentment toward those who have faith. Our Lord, you are kind and merciful.
Surah e Hashr 10

Messenger of Allah Said: Do not hate each other, do not envy each other, do not turn away from each other, but rather be servants of Allah as brothers.
Bukhari 5718

Allah's Messenger Said: The parable of the believers in their affection, mercy, and compassion for each other is that of a body. When any limb aches, the whole body reacts with sleeplessness and fever. Bukhari 5665

Do you believe in these verses of Quran and sayings of Prophet? And do you believe that these two men are no longer Muslim?

In foreseeable future, Pakistan's role can only be one of peacemaker between muslim nations. That is it. Nothing more. Ummah is broken and started breaking during Khulfa-e-Rashideen era ('thanks' to Banu Umayya). Have we also forgotten so quickly what the 4 imams and their followers did, especially in Masjid al-Haram during the various dynasties?

Do you associate yourself with any sect, especially the mainstream sects (Hanafi, Deobandi, Brelvi, Shia etc) in Pakistan? If you do, then why discuss Ummah as followers of sects don't even pray behind other sects imams! They won't do dua-e-maghfirat for dead of other sects because they don't believe in them being muslims! That is the state of us internally and we want to discuss Ummah and other muslim nations! Clean the house first before looking outwards.

If you want to quote Hadith and promote unity, then please quote those that would assist in getting rid of the curse of sects and promote internal harmony to begin with!

 

[Mutakalim]

In foreseeable future, Pakistan's role can only be one of peacemaker between muslim nations. That is it. Nothing more. Ummah is broken and started breaking during Khulfa-e-Rashideen era ('thanks' to Banu Umayya). Have we also forgotten so quickly what the 4 imams and their followers did, especially in Masjid al-Haram during the various dynasties?

There are countless fissures among Muslim Ummah. We have killed each other, stabbed each other in back and helped kufaar against each other. These are facts and I am not denying them.

However, wrongdoings of some cannot be attributed to whole community. There were wrong doers among us and there were those who never left the straight path. There were traitors among us and there were those who always stood up against oppressors. Act of some individuals or a percentage of them can not be attributed to whole community. If this community is dead then please tell me why is Quran stating in explicit terms that:

Thus We have made you a medium (just, balanced) nation, that you be witnesses over mankind and the Messenger be a witness over you.

Surah e Baqarah 143

How can dead be witness on other nations?

Do you associate yourself with any sect, especially the mainstream sects (Hanafi, Deobandi, Brelvi, Shia etc) in Pakistan? If you do, then why discuss Ummah as followers of sects don't even pray behind other sects imams!

I pray behind Imams of other sects and my belief allow me to do that. We have difference of opinion but all of us are Muslims. If someone think that only he is Muslim and everyone else is kafir, then its his fault.

According to my belief I can offer prayer behind Imam of another orientation or sect. There is no restriction and I can claim with full responsibility that same is the view of majority Muslims.

They won't do dua-e-maghfirat for dead of other sects because they don't believe in them being muslims!

Dua e Maghfirat can be offered on every Muslim whether he is Shia, Sunni, Wahabi, deobandi or barelvi. Those who dont offer dua e Maghfirat on deads of other sect are ignorant and full of hatred. They dont represent Muslim community.

If you want to quote Hadith and promote unity, then please quote those that would assist in getting rid of the curse of sects and promote internal harmony to begin with!

Those verses and Ahadith were quoted for the promotion of unity and for getting rid of hatred.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy.
Surah e Hujarat 10

The believing men and believing women are allies of one another.
Surah e Toba 71

They say: Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts any resentment toward those who have faith. Our Lord, you are kind and merciful.
Surah e Hashr 10

Messenger of Allah Said: Do not hate each other, do not envy each other, do not turn away from each other, but rather be servants of Allah as brothers.
Bukhari 5718

Allah's Messenger Said: The parable of the believers in their affection, mercy, and compassion for each other is that of a body. When any limb aches, the whole body reacts with sleeplessness and fever. Bukhari 5665

Do you believe in these verses of Quran and sayings of Prophet? And do you believe that these two men are no longer Muslim?

The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy.
Surah e Hujarat 10

The believing men and believing women are allies of one another.
Surah e Toba 71

They say: Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts any resentment toward those who have faith. Our Lord, you are kind and merciful.
Surah e Hashr 10

Messenger of Allah Said: Do not hate each other, do not envy each other, do not turn away from each other, but rather be servants of Allah as brothers.
Bukhari 5718

Allah's Messenger Said: The parable of the believers in their affection, mercy, and compassion for each other is that of a body. When any limb aches, the whole body reacts with sleeplessness and fever. Bukhari 5665

Do you believe in these verses of Quran and sayings of Prophet? And do you believe that these two men are no longer Muslim?

From a personal point of view, I actually agree with your religious beliefs even though I am nowhere near as dedicated as you. However the problem arises when you don't even know who is actually a "Muslim brother" and are unable to discern FAKE Muslims. Another problem is that you assume that Non-Pakistani Muslims are as dedicated to Islam as are Pakistani Muslims. The reality is that they ARE NOT. You might get a few handful of afghans and Algerians who are, but the VAST majority of them are not. Pakistani Muslims falsely assume that Arabs, Turks, Iranians etc see Islam the same way that Pakistani Muslims do when in fact they see Islam in completely different, often opposite terms. To them, Islam is not a unifying force nor do they care about it. It is barely even a second thought to them. That is why it is very easy for the Saudis and Palestinians to embrace and be submissive towards those individuals who want to destroy Islam:

Another thing, try telling an Arab, Iranian or any other Middle Eastern Muslim that Pakistanis are their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters and that they should help one another and treat Pakistanis as equals. See what their response would be. Ask an Arab, Iranian or any other Middle Eastern Muslim to give their daughters in marriage to Pakistani Muslim guys and see what they would do to you. Truth is, it is FAR FAR easier for Pakistani Muslim men to marry White European or Jewish women then it would be for them to marry Middle Eastern Muslim women. That is the truth.

We Pakistanis CANNOT call non-Pakistani Muslims "brothers and sisters" when they do not see us as their equals nor do they really give a damn about Pakistan or the so-called "Ummah". They then cease to be our "brothers and sisters" if they EVER were.

The Pakistani concept of "Ummah" includes anyone who is a Muslim regardless of race, genetics, ethnicity, culture, heritage or language. The NON-Pakistani Muslim concept of "Ummah" includes any Muslim who is from the SAME nation of your bloodline regardless of the region or language they speak. They have to be the same race as you though.


PS One thing you also have to remember about Palestinians and Lebanese people is that a significant proportion of them are of Christians or half Muslim/half Christian heritage. There are also those that are of Jewish/Muslim background too. Both Palestinians and the Lebanese Muslims follow a different version of Islam that is completely UNFAMILIAR to Pakistani Muslims. Unlike us Pakistanis, they are not in the slightest bit fussed about Islam.

 

[Mutakalim]

However the problem arises when you don't even know who is actually a "Muslim brother" and are unable to discern FAKE Muslims.

That problem has very serious consequences. For instance, if you claim that we are not sure about anyone's Islam than same could be applied to Pakistanis. Moreover, this also means that everyone else beyond us is non Muslim.

We can not decide who is real Muslim and who is fake. If any person believers in Tauheed and Finality of Prophet P.B.U.H then he is a Muslim and will be included in Muslim brotherhood.

Another problem is that you assume that Non-Pakistani Muslims are as dedicated to Islam as are Pakistani Muslims.

Yeah, I believe that. The reason being the fact that I dont have any way to verify Eman of !.3 billion people. More importantly, I dont have any authority to do that.

You might get a few handful of afghans and Algerians who are, but the VAST majority are not.

How you assume that? Their leaders might be wrong doers but how can you decide about eman of majority of Mislims? I dont know how you came up with that estimation.

Pakistani Muslims falsely assume that Arabs, Turks, Iranians etc see Islam the same way that Pakistani Muslims do when in fact they see Islam in completely different, often opposite terms. To them, Islam is not a unifying force nor do they care about it. It is barely even a second thought to them.

That is a mere conjecture. Do you have anything to support your claim?

That is why it is very easy for the Saudis and Palestinians to embrace and be submissive towards those individuals who want to destroy Islam:

That same logic can be applied to Pakistan, too. USA were bombing the hell out of Afghan Muslims, killing their children and women by carpet bombing. Using our bases and infrastructure. We assisted Kufaar against our fellow brothers and according to you that doesn't make us FAKE MUSLIMS. We still remained good Muslims, while everyone else relegated to status of FAKE MUSLIM due to keeping relations with enemies of Pakistan. Why there are double standards?

Another thing, try telling an Arab, Iranian or any other Middle Eastern Muslim that Pakistanis are their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters and that they should help one another and treat Pakistanis as equals. See what their response would be. Ask an Arab, Iranian or any other Middle Eastern Muslim to give their daughters in marriage to Pakistani Muslim guys and see what they would do to you. Truth is, it is FAR FAR easier for Pakistani Muslim men to marry White European or Jewish women then it would be for them to marry Middle Eastern Muslim women. That is the truth.

Its a matter of personal experience. It can not negate explicit rulings of Quran that dictates our behaviour and attitudes

We Pakistanis CANNOT call non-Pakistani Muslims "brothers and sisters" when they do not see us as their equals nor do they really give a damn about Pakistan or the so-called "Ummah". They then cease to be our "brothers and sisters" if they EVER were.

They are Muslims and by the ruling of Quran they are our brothers and sisters.

The Pakistani concept of "Ummah" includes anyone who is a Muslim regardless of race, genetics, ethnicity, culture, heritage or language. The NON-Pakistani Muslim concept of "Ummah" includes any Muslim who is from the SAME nation of your bloodline regardless of the region or language they speak. They have to be the same race as you though.

I am talking about concept of Ummah according to Quran. For me and every Muslim, this is binding. What someone else is doing is not my headache. I will not be responsible for someone others acts.

PS One thing you also have to remember about Palestinians and Lebanese people is that a significant proportion of them are of Christians or half Muslim/half Christian heritage. There are also those that are of Jewish/Muslim background too. Both Palestinians and the Lebanese Muslims follow a different version of Islam that is completely UNFAMILIAR to Pakistani Muslims. Unlike us Pakistanis, they are not in the slightest bit fussed about Islam.

I dont know how you can speak about hearts and minds of millions of people with such surety and confidence?

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[PAKISTANFOREVER]

That problem has very serious consequences. For instance, if you claim that we are not sure about anyone's Islam than same could be applied to Pakistanis. Moreover, this also means that everyone else beyond us is non Muslim.

We can not decide who is real Muslim and who is fake. If any person believers in Tauheed and Finality of Prophet P.B.U.H then he is a Muslim and will be included in Muslim brotherhood.



Yeah, I believe that. The reason being the fact that I dont have any way to verify Eman of !.3 billion people. More importantly, I dont have any authority to do that.



How you assume that? Their leaders might be wrong doers but how can you decide about eman of majority of Mislims? I dont know how you came up with that estimation.



That is a mere conjecture. Do you have anything to support your claim?



That same logic can be applied to Pakistan, too. USA were bombing the hell out of Afghan Muslims, killing their children and women by carpet bombing. Using our bases and infrastructure. We assisted Kufaar against our fellow brothers and according to you that doesn't make us FAKE MUSLIMS. We still remained good Muslims, while everyone else relegated to status of FAKE MUSLIM due to keeping relations with enemies of Pakistan. Why there are double standards?



Its a matter of personal experience. It can not negate explicit rulings of Quran that dictates our behaviour and attitudes



They are Muslims and by the ruling of Quran they are our brothers and sisters.



I am talking about concept of Ummah according to Quran. For me and every Muslim, this is binding. What someone else is doing is not my headache. I will not be responsible for someone others acts.



I dont know how you can speak about hearts and minds of millions of people with such surety and confidence?

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Funny how you are not calling out the afghans who opposed the creation of Pakistan in August 1947 after we suffered a holocaust by the sikhs where 1 million innocent Pakistanis lost their lives. That doesn't seem important to you. Nor the fact that the afghans attacked Pakistan many times in the 1960s when we were still weak at the behest of their indian gods. You also seemed to have conveniently forgotton the 10 million afghans we have hosted and looked after in Pakistan for nearly 42 years. Do the deaths of around 70,000 Pakistanis at the hands of afghan terrorists since 2001 mean ANYTHING to you? Sorry, but I have NO PROBLEM or qualms in killing afghans if they are attacking my fellow Pakistanis just as I have no problems with killing indians. I don't give two hoots if they are Muslim or not. But then again, this just shows that there is NO "Ummah" of fairy tale "Mulsim brotherhood". There NEVER was. Your are living in a fantasy world devoid of reality. Even Alice in Wonderland is more real than you so called "Ummah".

 

[Mutakalim]

Funny how you are not calling out the afghans who opposed the creation of Pakistan in August 1947 after we suffered a holocaust by the sikhs where 1 million innocent Pakistanis lost their lives. That doesn't seem important to you. Nor the fact that the afghans attacked Pakistan many times in the 1960s when we were still weak at the behest of their indian gods. You also seemed to have conveniently forgotton the 10 million afghans we have hosted and looked after in Pakistan for nearly 42 years. Do the deaths of around 70,000 Pakistanis at the hands of afghan terrorists since 2001 mean ANYTHING to you? Sorry, but I have NO PROBLEM or qualms in killing afghans if they are attacking my fellow Pakistanis just as I have no problems with killing indians. I don't give two hoots if they are Muslim or not. But then again, this just shows that there is NO "Ummah" of fairy tale "Mulsim brotherhood". There NEVER was. Your are living in a fantasy world devoid of reality. Even Alice in Wonderland is more real than you so called "Ummah".

Peace.