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The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

Baltis and Muhajirs dont have similar history, they also dont speak similar languages and also didn't shared any resources before partition. They belong to different races. Baltis have more in common with Uighurs of China than with Balochs of Pakistan.

They only share a common defence and that is due to their acceptance of Muslim nationhood. Shared defence is not the reason, it's the result.

Baloch, Pashtoon and Sindhi nationalist are not ready to accept benefit of a secure state with Punjabis.



Maybe, according to Christian experience.



The visa regime is just for management and security purposes. Nonetheless, millions of Afghans are living in Pakistan, without visa.

Urdu is the national language whether some accept it or not. As a young country, all the group's you mention share in its short history and several wars together. They also share centuries of colonial rule, history of partition and struggle for independence (regardless of how much they were involved). There is more in common than you'd like to think.

In any case, multi cultural states are nothing new in the world. They work because of shared patriotism not religion.

I don't know about the Christian experience, but in Islam, rebellion started in the 7th century. And everyone claimed to be on the straight path. A religion based state cannot put limits on religion, which means any Imam has muscle to beat the state. Why I say statecraft and religion don't go together.

Sorry your visa argument is weak. It proves rule of law is more important than religion in practice.

Ps. Your point about Baloch nationalists etc works against Islam being a uniting force as it does against multi ethnicity.
 
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You were saying that Ummah is dead.

Wow! I did not know that Broken and Dead have the same meanings! Kindly quote my post saying 'Ummah is dead'!

What does this mean? Does this means that all 1.6 billion Muslims are sinful? I must say its a big leap of imagination, to declare whole of the Muslim world as sinful due to wrongdoings of few.

The statement I made is backed by Quran and Hadith. Those who start bidaat and/or wrongful acts and their followers in those bidaat and wrongful acts are committing sins. Those who start or introduce these acts will bear the sins of their followers too! On the judgement day, the followers will ask for increase of punishment for their leaders/ancestors who started those acts - references to this shouldn't be too difficult for you to find, I hope.

Quran and Hadith translation are within easy access to everyone. As long as one is not illiterate, they should learn directly from. There is no excuse of 'I did not know this was a bidaat' etc, and 'my elders did this and I will continue to do this as well' ... your statement above sounds like justification of a follower. Next the typical excuse of 'where is it prohibited in Quran and Hadith' will come out ... but do try justifying 'chaleeswan' (40th) from Quran and Hadith without resorting to this excuse and one of ijema (of a sect)!

صحیح مسلم
کتاب: جمعہ کا بیان
باب: خطبہ جمعہ اور نماز جمعہ مختصر پڑھانے کے بیان میں
حدیث نمبر: 2005

ترجمہ:
محمد بن مثنی، عبدالوہاب بن عبدالمجید، جعفربن محمد، جابر بن عبداللہ سے روایت ہے کہ رسول اللہ ﷺ جب خطبہ ارشاد فرماتے تھے تو آپ ﷺ کی آنکھیں سرخ ہوجاتیں اور آپ ﷺ کی آواز بلند ہوجاتی اور غصہ شدید ہوجاتا (اور یوں معلوم ہوتا) گویا کہ آپ ﷺ کسی ایسے لشکر سے ڈرا رہے ہوں کہ وہ صبح یا شام حملہ کرنے والا ہے اور فرماتے ہیں کہ قیامت کو اور مجھے اس طرح بھیجا گیا جس طرح یہ دو انگلیاں اور شہادت والی اور درمیانی انگلی ملا کر فرماتے اما بعد کہ بہترین بات اللہ کی کتاب ہے اور بہترین سیرت محمد ﷺ کی سیرت ہے اور سارے کاموں میں بدترین کام نئے نئے طریقے ہیں (یعنی دین کے نام سے نئے طریقے جاری کرنا) اور ہر بدعت گمراہی ہے پھر فرماتے ہیں کہ میں ہر مومن کو اس کی جان سے زیادہ عزیز ہوں جو مومن مال چھوڑ کر مرا وہ اس کے گھر والوں کے لئے ہے اور جو مومن قرض یا بچے چھوڑ جائے اس کی تر بیت و پرورش اور ان کے خرچ کی ذمہ داری مجھ محمد ﷺ پر ہے۔

Fixing home does not means that we should accept Israel like other traitors and help in their oppression. This will be ethically and morally wrong. It will also not give us any strategic benefit and will prove to be a political suicide for any government.

Israel matter is closed. No one here now is saying anymore that Israel should be accepted. Pakistan should raise the voice in support of all those being persecuted and play the peacemaker role.

Placing four Mussalas in Majid e Haram was not Ijma. I dont think anyone claimed that. This action of a regime and some individuals can not be acceptable, at all.

Kindly study history. Before the 4 mussalas were removed, it was claimed to be ijema as this wrong act was uninterrupted for hundreds of years, until the Saudis removed them. Given a choice today by Saudis, these 4 mussalas would be put back immediately (coming back to fissures)!

I am referring to Sunni majority. They are being taught in their textbooks of theology that they can offer prayer behind anyone. It is the accepted and recognized principle of Sunni Islam. If large number of individuals are not highlighting this fact then its their fault.

And a large number of sunni individuals/so-called ulema are NOT highlighting this, intentionally. Whichever sunni sect you belong to, please get a fatwa from your top so-called ulema that praying behind all sunni sects imams and all sunni sects mosque is totally acceptable and valid.

He won't do that (& if he does, he will be thrown out of that sect). It will damage his sect's chanda collection shop! But do try and see how you are treated (don't expect tea and sweets though)!
 
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Since the 1980s, Pakistan has suffered at the hands of the ultra religious mullahs and the ultra liberal lefties in trying to destroy Pakistan. Although both originate from the two polar opposites of the political spectrum, they both have formed a Hegelian Dialectic in trying to destroy Pakistan from within. Both have the same aims in that they want Pakistan to become a vassel state for foreigners where Pakistan can never pursue it's own interest. The religious loonies want Pakistan to be a slave nation to the Arabs and Gulfis wheras the loony left want Pakistan to become a slave nation to india and the west. Both courses of action are unacceptable and if successful, will result in Pakistan becoming the most poorest nation on earth. Another thing that the religious right and lefty liberals both have in common is they greatly fear Pakistani nationalism and self-determination. They both fear Pakistan becoming successful and powerful.

In order to make Pakistan powerful and succesful, I propose the following:

(1) Pakistani nationalism and patriotism becomes the driving force of our country. The blood of EVERY single Pakistani regardless of religion or belief is sacred.

(2) Pakistan INDEPENDENTLY pursues WHATEVER is in our best interest in order to make Pakistan ultra powerful and successsful free from the constraints of whatever non-Pakistanis think or say. Free from the constraints of low IQ mullah retards or treacherous lefty liberals.

(3) We will do WHATEVER is in our interests to liquidate and destroy our ONLY enemy who wishes for the death and destruction of the Pakistani nation and people.

(4) Every Pakistani regardless of religion or belief should be entitled to world-class health care, education, housing, a job and a pension.

(5) Pakistan will do WHATEVER it takes to make Pakistan INTO a fully developed nation regardless of how long it takes or how painful it may be.

(6) Every single Pakistani is equal in the eyes of the law. There will be 0 difference between a Pakistani Muslim, Christain, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish or even devil-worshipping Pakistani.

(7) Anyone found betraying the Pakistani cause should be immediately executed.

(8) We need to strive to make Pakistan corruption free no matter the cost.


What are the thoughts of you guys?

Can you back your post with Credible and undeniable evidences?
 
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He is going to call you an Indian.

There's no point in entertaining cannon fodder. Just let them line up on the banks of the attock river
Somebody from moderators changed my flags too, and that too on his request.
 
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Achaaaaaaaaa. But itni lush zaban sekh ker phir desh chorh dia. Isi bat pe bhai hyran hai. Or isi liay bhai zuban nahi sekh raha.....

aap na insafi kar rahe hain. halaat ko madd e nazar rakhte hue kuch arse ki naqalmakani ko mulk badri se mutaradif karna durust nahi.

jahan aur bhi hain agay qabool kiye safarband hain.

Namibia inshallah next phase of life dekhenge. retire hone ajayenge Hessen.
 
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aap na insafi kar rahe hain. halaat ko madd e nazar rakhte hue kuch arse ki naqalmakani ko mulk badri se mutaradif karna durust nahi.

jahan aur bhi hain agay qabool kiye safarband hain.

Namibia inshallah next phase of life dekhenge. retire hone ajayenge Hessen.
Dy mar sarh e char. Good. Phir miltay hain kabhi Qadianion k gerh main.
 
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