The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

[El Sidd]

But I'm still ready to serve my race and nation nevertheless.

oh wow. another bipin and the 2 front war.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

oh wow. another bipin and the 2 front war.

Sorry but I'm not indian. 100% totally not indian.

 

[El Sidd]

Sorry but I'm not indian. 100% totally not indian.

The say anyone not conforming to Anglo Saxon way of living is an Indian.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The say anyone not conforming to Anglo Saxon way of living is an Indian.

Apart from you, who else said that?

 

[El Sidd]

Apart from you, who else said that?

One of the Queens subject

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

One of the Queens subject

Which one? Are you sure you are not an indian?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

My love and responsibility is to Pakistan and Pakistani people. Secondly, it is also to those who support and help the Pakistani people. Everyone else means NOTHING to me even if they are Muslims.

What a fantatic thread. I absolutely vote for your manifesto. The single biggest cause of Pakistan's malaise has been a very weak sense of nationhood. Pakistani people concerns are diffused across the entire globe for Muslim causes. Charity begins at home. Instead it should be Pakistan, Pakistan and Pakistan. As you said the only prism should be "is it good for Pakistan". If it is then it's go. If not then no.

Pakistan is like having a football team going into the World Cup but whose players are rooting for other countries.

Islam doesn't bring different races of Muslims together.

If it did Pakistan would not have a border with Afghanistan or Iran. Instead fences are being erected. And there would be just one country stretching from Pakistan to Marrocco called "Muslimstan" instead of 30 Muslim countries with 30 borders.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

What a fantatic thread. I absolutely vote for your manifesto. The single biggest cause of Pakistan's malaise has been a very weak sense of nationhood. Pakistani people concerns are diffused across the entire globe for Muslim causes. Charity begins at home. Instead it should be Pakistan, Pakistan and Pakistan. As you said the only prism should be "is it good for Pakistan". If it is then it's go. If not then no.

Pakistan is like having a football team going into the World Cup but whose players are rooting for other countries.
If it did Pakistan would not have a border with Afghanistan or Iran. Instead fences are being erected. And there would be just one country stretching from Pakistan to Marrocco called "Muslimstan" instead of 30 Muslim countries with 30 borders.

But the question is when, why and how the SEEDS of ultra religious right were sown in Pakistan?

- PRTP GWD

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What a fantatic thread. I absolutely vote for your manifesto. The single biggest cause of Pakistan's malaise has been a very weak sense of nationhood. Pakistani people concerns are diffused across the entire globe for Muslim causes. Charity begins at home. Instead it should be Pakistan, Pakistan and Pakistan. As you said the only prism should be "is it good for Pakistan". If it is then it's go. If not then no.

Pakistan is like having a football team going into the World Cup but whose players are rooting for other countries.
If it did Pakistan would not have a border with Afghanistan or Iran. Instead fences are being erected. And there would be just one country stretching from Pakistan to Marrocco called "Muslimstan" instead of 30 Muslim countries with 30 borders.

The biggest frustration that even this thread has shown is that there are still many Pakistanis who want to sacrifice themselves and Pakistan for non-Pakistani Muslims who regard us as being dirty, inferior and worthless. Yet they are not willing to do the same for Pakistan and their fellow Pakistanis. The retardedness and treachery of such low IQ thinking is mind-boggling.


What is definitely apparent is that Pakistan needs to build a STRONG sense of Pakistani identity, nationhood and nationalism. Our focus and love should ONLY be for Pakistan and the Pakistani people. NOTHING & NO-ONE else matters to us.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

But the question is when, why and how the SEEDS of ultra religious right were sown in Pakistan?

1947 onwards but they remained latent. In 1970s with the Arab oil boom and rushh of petro-dollars led to the 'seeds' exploding into forests.

The biggest frustration that even this thread has shown is that there are still many Pakistanis who want to sacrifice themselves and Pakistan for non-Pakistani Muslims who regard us as being dirty, inferior and worthless

Yes, this amazes me.

What is definitely apparent is that Pakistan needs to build a STRONG sense of Pakistani identity, nationhood and nationalism.

Brand Pakistan has to be built up. Earlier today I was in West Midlands and feeling hungry pulled next to one of those cheap, fast "Dial a Rot" places. Went in and looked at the menu. Food looked inviting. As I went through the entire menu it had somehow managed to avoid the decription "Pakistani". It had -

• Asian Curries
• Desi style fried fish
• Bihari Kebab
• Indian sweets
• Apna style pizza
• Halal burghers
• Madras biriani

Yet the guys were typical Pakistani's straight from some village in Pakistan with walls adorned with religious iconography.

 

[Last starfighter]

Since the 1980s, Pakistan has suffered at the hands of the ultra religious mullahs and the ultra liberal lefties in trying to destroy Pakistan. Although both originate from the two polar opposites of the political spectrum, they both have formed a Hegelian Dialectic in trying to destroy Pakistan from within. Both have the same aims in that they want Pakistan to become a vassel state for foreigners where Pakistan can never pursue it's own interest. The religious loonies want Pakistan to be a slave nation to the Arabs and Gulfis wheras the loony left want Pakistan to become a slave nation to india and the west. Both courses of action are unacceptable and if successful, will result in Pakistan becoming the most poorest nation on earth. Another thing that the religious right and lefty liberals both have in common is they greatly fear Pakistani nationalism and self-determination. They both fear Pakistan becoming successful and powerful.

In order to make Pakistan powerful and succesful, I propose the following:

(1) Pakistani nationalism and patriotism becomes the driving force of our country. The blood of EVERY single Pakistani regardless of religion or belief is sacred.

(2) Pakistan INDEPENDENTLY pursues WHATEVER is in our best interest in order to make Pakistan ultra powerful and successsful free from the constraints of whatever non-Pakistanis think or say. Free from the constraints of low IQ mullah retards or treacherous lefty liberals.

(3) We will do WHATEVER is in our interests to liquidate and destroy our ONLY enemy who wishes for the death and destruction of the Pakistani nation and people.

(4) Every Pakistani regardless of religion or belief should be entitled to world-class health care, education, housing, a job and a pension.

(5) Pakistan will do WHATEVER it takes to make Pakistan INTO a fully developed nation regardless of how long it takes or how painful it may be.

(6) Every single Pakistani is equal in the eyes of the law. There will be 0 difference between a Pakistani Muslim, Christain, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish or even devil-worshipping Pakistani.

(7) Anyone found betraying the Pakistani cause should be immediately executed.

(8) We need to strive to make Pakistan corruption free no matter the cost.


What are the thoughts of you guys?

Agree 95% however although I am in favour of all beings equal in law.
One must remember that Pakistan was founded on the principal of the Islamic Republic ( religion).
And that will always remain.
When you go down the road of everything is equal in the eyes of the law then you open floodgates that can sometimes turn in to practices that you or I might find unpalatable.
For example would I like to see a nudist beach in Karachi because the naturists say " it is their legal right" . ( If I was in my own probably wouldn't mind ) lol.
But with my family definitely not.
Would I be happy to have a pride march go past my house in Lahore, again Not.
We have to arrive at a balance of what is acceptable and what is not in society.
Ok is trying to help with a lot of new things ,is health, education, jobs , infrastructure etc but a country that has taken decade's of corruption and plundering can't come good overnight

 

[Yankee-stani]

The Liberal "bourgeois" are small and annoying just like moulvi brigade they dont care about Pakistan just want to loot loot loot grrr

1947 onwards but they remained latent. In 1970s with the Arab oil boom and rushh of petro-dollars led to the 'seeds' exploding into forests.
Yes, this amazes me.

Brand Pakistan has to be built up. Earlier today I was in West Midlands and feeling hungry pulled next to one of those cheap, fast "Dial a Rot" places. Went in and looked at the menu. Food looked inviting. As I went through the entire menu it had somehow managed to avoid the decription "Pakistani". It had -

• Asian Curries
• Desi style fried fish
• Bihari Kebab
• Indian sweets
• Apna style pizza
• Halal burghers
• Madras biriani

Yet the guys were typical Pakistani's straight from some village in Pakistan with walls adorned with religious iconography.

I hate it when I pass by any "Pakistani" owned store they have to be put Indian,Bangladeshi and Pakistani grocery I have seen them put "American" too grr

Agree 95% however although I am in favour of all beings equal in law.
One must remember that Pakistan was founded on the principal of the Islamic Republic ( religion).
And that will always remain.
When you go down the road of everything is equal in the eyes of the law then you open floodgates that can sometimes turn in to practices that you or I might find unpalatable.
For example would I like to see a nudist beach in Karachi because the naturists say " it is their legal right" . ( If I was in my own probably wouldn't mind ) lol.
But with my family definitely not.
Would I be happy to have a pride march go past my house in Lahore, again Not.
We have to arrive at a balance of what is acceptable and what is not in society.
Ok is trying to help with a lot of new things ,is health, education, jobs , infrastructure etc but a country that has taken decade's of corruption and plundering can't come good overnight

Pakistan is long ways away from having a Pride Parade anytime soon

 

[Indus Pakistan]

One must remember that Pakistan was founded on the principal of the Islamic Republic ( religion)

If you believe that you don;t even know what your talking about. When @PAKISTANFOREVER says "low IQ" this is exactly what he means. If your wondering what I am talking about please first read definition of "republic".

a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch

This cannot happen in a anything claiming to be "Islamic". The reason is in Islam supreme power rests with Allah and not the elected representatives of the people. I hope you can understand this subtle but vital point.

Then there is another issue. A Muslim state by definition is for followers of Islam who are seen as brotherhood. If you apply this basic tenet of Islam you would have to give citizenship on the basis of religion and not place of birth. In Pakistan citizenship is given to a Christian born in Lahore but refused to a Muslim from Istanbul. This does not meet criteria of a Islamic state or religious state.

There is only one country that was truely established on basis of religion and that has acted on as a religious state unlike Pakistan. That state is Israel. Any Jew, born anywhere can move to Israel and get citizenship as matter of right.

The crap you are citing is just fraud that has been sold to the ignorant masses of Pakistan.

 

[El Sidd]

Which one? Are you sure you ate not an indian?

Alrighty then

Define what constitutes as the Pakistani race and Pakistani nation.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

If you believe that you don;t even know what your talking about. When @PAKISTANFOREVER says "low IQ" this is exactly what he means. If your wondering what I am talking about please first read definition of "republic".

a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch

This cannot happen in a anything claiming to be "Islamic". The reason is in Islam supreme power rests with Allah and not the elected representatives of the people. I hope you can understand this subtle but vital point.

Then there is another issue. A Muslim state by definition is for followers of Islam who are seen as brotherhood. If you apply this basic tenet of Islam you would have to give citizenship on the basis of religion and not place of birth. In Pakistan citizenship is given to a Christian born in Lahore but refused to a Muslim from Istanbul. This does not meet criteria of a Islamic state or religious state.

There is only one country that was truely established on basis of religion and that has acted on as a religious state unlike Pakistan. That state is Israel. Any Jew, born anywhere can move to Israel and get citizenship as matter of right.

The crap you are citing is just fraud that has been sold to the ignorant masses of Pakistan.

Outstanding.

As I have said previously, Pakistan is not an "Islamic state", nor was it intended to be as such. It was a safe haven for Muslims, and it shall continue as such. This definition does not exclude anyone who is not Muslim from citizenship.