The quest of the ultra religious right and liberal left to destroy Pakistan

[Neurath]

I agree that the liberals and mullahs, the 2 extremes have destroyed us.

But when you single out Islam like that, uncool. Pakistan is built on the concept of Islamic nationalism, that is what has kept us unique. We help every Muslim country in need even if they betray us. Our founders envisioned a leader of the Islamic world. When you throw Islam out of the window like that, you throw away the very concept behind Pakistan's creation smh.
A true Pakistani nationalist would also be a staunch supporter of the reason and concept behind our existence.

When you talk about giving equal rights to devil worshippers and recognizing Israel, its called going 'too far'. Its called bigotry and being ignorant. If you propose that stuff then you aren't a nationalist as you don't support the reason behind our existence as a whole. There are religious obligations on Muslim citizen of Pakistan, and that includes helping fellow Muslims even if they don't like you and not allowing there to be devil worshippers.

 

[Titanium100]

Tell you what if point 7 is implemented, Pakistan will greatly benefit.

It's not Islam in ITSELF that is holding Pakistan back but the low IQ mullah retards all over Pakistan who are corrupt to the core and want Pakistanis to be arab slaves.

You need to chill out with the rhetoric. Your sovereignty is unquestionable and free to pursue whatever you like. But it is about helping what you can. There is no Caliph to report to today but help is what you can give and that is free will.

You have to see the bigger picture from a pragmatic point of view

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I agree that the liberals and mullahs, the 2 extremes have destroyed us.

But when you single out Islam like that, uncool. Pakistan is built on the concept of Islamic nationalism, that is what has kept us unique. We help every Muslim country in need even if they betray us, that is what our founders envisioned. A leader of the Islamic world. When you throw Islam out of the window like that, you throw away the very concept behind Pakistan's creation smh.

I never singled out Islam in itself. I singled out both the highly corrupt low IQ mullah retards AND the lefty Liberal elite of Pakistan. Both are the enemies of Pakistani nationalism.

You need to chill with the rhetoric. Your sovereignty is unquestionable and free to pursue whatever you like. But it is about helping of what you can. There is no Caliph to report today but help is what you can give and that is free will

My love and responsibility is to Pakistan and the Pakistani people. Secondly, it is also to those who support and help the Pakistani people. Everyone else means NOTHING to me even if they are Muslims.

 

[Neurath]

I never singled out Islam in itself. I singled out both the highly corrupt low IQ mullah retards AND the lefty Liberal elite of Pakistan. Both are the enemies of Pakistani nationalism.

My love and responsibility is to Pakistan and Pakistani people. Secondly, it is also to those who support and help the Pakistani people. Everyone else means NOTHING to me even if they are Muslims.

When you talk about giving equal rights to devil worshippers and recognizing Israel, its called going 'too far'. Its called bigotry and being ignorant. If you propose that stuff then you aren't a nationalist as you don't support the reason behind our existence as a whole. There are religious obligations on every Muslim citizen of Pakistan, and that includes helping fellow Muslims even if they don't like you and not allowing there to be devil worshippers.

 

[Titanium100]

I never singled out Islam in itself. I singled out both the highly corrupt low IQ mullah retards AND the lefty Liberal elite of Pakistan. Both are the enemies of Pakistani nationalism.





My love and responsibility is to Pakistan and Pakistani people. Secondly, it is also to those who support and help the Pakistani people. Everyone else means NOTHING to me even if they are Muslims.

Your a strange fellow and this thread itself seemed rather weird to me and this just confirms that you are not of sane mind. I exit this thread and dismiss you. You were talking about low IQ mullahs but you are incredible low on IQ and this posts suggests just that

 

[jamahir]

Bruh, I just want Islamic Socialism as envisioned by Iqbal, Gaddafi, Liaqat Ali Khan and other leaders.
Liaquat Ali Khan said:
"There are a number of 'isms' being talked about now-a-days, but we are convinced that for us there is only one 'ism', namely Islamic Socialism, which in a nutshell, means that every person in this land has equal rights to be provided with food, shelter, clothing, education and medical facilities. Countries which cannot ensure these for their people can never progress. The economic programme drawn up some 1,350 years back is still the best economic programme for us. In fact, whatever systems people may try out they all ultimately return to Islamic Socialism by whatever name they may choose to call it."

Excellent post !

This is my own thread on that from 2016. It is a lengthy article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha chronicling Islamic Socialism and Muslim socialist activism since the 1900s.

I quote one section :

During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

So any sensible Muslim shouldn't have objections to non-Muslim developments in Socialism and Communism.

About Gaddafi's Libya here is a thread about Libyan implementation of Socialism.

But I await the entry of certain regressive trolls to get outraged about your post.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

When you talk about giving equal rights to devil worshippers and recognizing Israel, its called going 'too far'. Its called bigotry and being ignorant. If you propose that stuff then you aren't a nationalist as you don't support the reason behind our existence as a whole. There are religious obligations on every Muslim citizen of Pakistan, and that includes helping fellow Muslims even if they don't like you and not allowing there to be devil worshippers.

Do we have to also help those Muslims who have full bilateral and diplomatic ties with india even though india vehemently believes in the death and destruction of the Pakistani people and nation?



PS Corrupt retarded low IQ mullah retards like Fazlur rehman who are anti-Pakistani agents are FAR FAR worst than devil-worshippers.

 

[Neurath]

Do we have to also help those Muslims who have full bilateral and diplomatic ties with india even though india vehemently believes in the death and destruction of the Pakistani people and nation?

Yes, that is our purpose, the reason behind Pakistan's creation and a religious obligation.
It is Pakistani nationalism itself to do all this.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes, that is our purpose, the reason behind Pakistan's creation and a religious obligation.
It is Pakistani nationalism itself to do all this.

WHY is it our purpose? What makes it so?

 

[Neurath]

WHY is it our purpose? What makes it so?

The fact that we were created keeping in mind religion before race, nationality and ethnicity. The Bengalis were mad after their nationality and ethnicity, and ended up independent. This is the concept of the Ummah. If it wasn't for Muslims and Islam, Pakistan wouldn't exist, we would've been a part of some Akhand Bharat. Different country for Muslims was the idea.

 

[-=virus=-]

There are religious obligations on Muslim citizen of Pakistan, and that includes helping fellow Muslims even if they don't like you and not allowing there to be devil worshippers.

That could work on an inter personal level between individuals but is suicidal at the state level.

 

[Neurath]

That could work on an inter personal level between individuals but is suicidal at the state level.

So be it.
We helped the Afghans against the Soviets when they hated us, today we're gladly doing the same when they are fighting the US.
Some states such as Israel and Pakistan are unique.

 

[Titanium100]

Yes, that is our purpose, the reason behind Pakistan's creation and a religious obligation.
It is Pakistani nationalism itself to do all this.

He doesn't understand anything that Pakistan won't survive alone as the enemies would be numerous and Pakistan alone. Pakistan has numerous allies in the Muslim world including the gulf states. Unity is everything just like the prophet said it is hard to crack multiple sticks then just one. Their survival and well being is as important as yours for your own benefit in the long run

 

[Neurath]

He doesn't understand anything that Pakistan won't survive alone as the enemies would be numerous and Pakistan alone. Pakistan has numerous allies in the Muslim world including the gulf states

He believes what the Indian media tells him when everybody knows that Pakistan's relations with gulf states aren't actually that bad. Option of Pakistani nukes deployment exists, we control their militaries etc.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The fact that we were created keeping in mind religion before race, nationality and ethnicity. The Bengalis were mad after their nationality and ethnicity, and ended up independent. This is the concept of the Ummah. If it wasn't for Muslims and Islam, Pakistan wouldn't exist, we would've been a part of some Akhand Bharat. Different country for Muslims was the idea.

Only nationalism matters. All else is irrelevant. Could not care less about non-Pakistanis unless they help us. Islam doesn't bring different races of Muslims together. Just look at how much the afghans, indian so called "Muslims" and bangladeshis are so anti-Pakistani. To hell with them all.