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Lets hear what former CIA chief ,Milt Bearden, say about Pashtuns.

The Pashtuns of Afghanistan : Alexander the Great also got in trouble here



WASHINGTON— There is a lake near Webster, Massachusetts called Chargoggaggoggmanchaugagoggchaubunagungamaug. Translated from the original Nipmuck, it lays down this thoughtful code for keeping the peace: "You fish on your side, I fish on my side, nobody fishes in the middle."

Halfway around the globe, there is a place called the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan, seven so-called tribal "agencies" along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan where about six million of the most independent humans on the planet live on 27,000 square kilometers of rugged and inhospitable terrain.

They are the Pashtuns, and they have lived on their lands without interruption or major migration for about 20,000 years. They know their neighborhood very well, and their men have been armed to the teeth since the first bow was strung. Their ancient code involves a commitment to hospitality, revenge and the honor of the tribe. They are invariably described as your "best friend or worst enemy." The Pashtuns' sense of territoriality bears some resemblance to the Nipmuck tribe of Massachusetts; when outsiders venture into the middle of their lands on fishing expeditions or to exert authority, very bad things happen.

In the 4th century B.C., Alexander the Great fell afoul of Pashtun tribesmen in today's Malakand Agency, where he took an arrow in the leg and almost lost his life. Two millennia later the founder of the Mogul empire, Babur, described the tribesmen of the area now known as Waziristan as unmanageable; his main complaint seemed to center on his inability to get them to pay their taxes by handing over their sheep, let alone stop to attacking his armies. A couple of hundred years later, in the middle of the 19th century, the British experienced disaster after disaster as they tried to bring the same Pashtun tribes to heel, particularly in the agencies of North and South Waziristan. In 1893, after half a century of jockeying for position with Imperial Russia in the "Great Game," the British administrator of the northwest of Queen Victoria's Indian Empire, Sir Mortimer Durand, demarcated the border between India — now Pakistan — and Afghanistan. The Durand line, as it is still known to foreigners — the Pashtuns call it "zero line" and completely ignore it — separated the tribes on both sides of the line into 26 agencies, each with its own laws and tribal councils. It was this area that became the buffer between the British and Russian Empires, an agreed-upon "middle of the lake." The tribes were then left mostly to themselves for about 80 years.

The Soviet adventure in Afghanistan began on a snowy Christmas Eve in 1979, and took a decade to cycle through, ending in exactly the same fashion as all the other foreign enterprises in that land — with failure. It was in the territories to the west of zero line, in the lands of the Wazirs, the Mahsuds, and the Ahmadzais, that the Soviets repeatedly failed in their attempts to establish their authority. They took some of their heaviest casualties not many kilometers to the west of South Waziristan and Wana Fort where the current drama now seems to be winding down after two confused weeks.

This time it is the Pakistani Army and its local levies, the paramilitary Frontier Corps, who have ventured into South Waziristan. To the west of zero line, American forces lie in wait for the quarry to be driven into their gun sights. The Pakistani operation has been described as an attempt to route an enemy alternately depicted as Islamic militants, foreign terrorists, or "high value" Al Qaeda fighters. Early in the operation it was suggested that Al Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was cornered near Wana Fort. Now the word in Pakistan is that Tahir Yaldashev, leader of the radical Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, "may" have been there at the time of the Pakistani assault, but later escaped, possibly wounded.

As the CIA officer overseeing the final years of the war against the Soviet occupiers of Afghanistan, I served as a 20th century American version of the British East India Company political agent and quartermaster to these same Waziri Ahmadzai tribesmen as they stymied all Soviet efforts to "exert a little authority." Their leader then was Jalaluddin Haqqani, a man of uncommon personal courage, and a deeply nuanced understanding of guerilla tactics. Though his current whereabouts are unknown — some say he died of wounds from a U.S. air attack — Haqqani has transitioned from America's best friend during the anti-Soviet war to its worst enemy in the current undertaking in Afghanistan. He is at the top of the list of America's most wanted, and it is his spirit and the Pashtun code of honor that continue to drive the Ahmadzai tribesmen against whom both the Pakistani Army and American forces are lined up.

It will be a tough and unrewarding slog. Like most of the great confrontations launched by outsiders in Waziristan over the last 2,000 years, this one will probably end in ambiguity. There have already been claims of "mission accomplished" by the Pakistani army and the Frontier Corps — after all, they lost up to 60 dead — but there will likely be nothing concrete to point to, aside from claims of having destroyed a militant sanctuary. The much ballyhooed "high value targets" we and our Pakistani allies expected to kill or capture will probably remain unknown and unresolved, and the American Operation "Mountain Storm" across zero line in Afghanistan will probably wind down with an equal lack of clarity. Already there seems to be a sense of relief that everyone will quietly go back to fishing on their sides of the lake.

That's the way it's always been in those rugged hills.

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Milt Bearden was CIA chief in Pakistan from 1986 until the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989. He is the co-author with James Risen of "The Main Enemy: The Inside Story of the CIA's Final Showdown with the KGB."

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Be very proud of being the anarchist trouble making unmanagable people?
This is the type of pushtoon mentality i oppose.
 
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What trouble?? He married afghan wife (roshanara i think), made love and had babies. Went on to meet his match in Punjab
 
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No,its the mentality.
They are too proud of still being stuck in dinosaur era caveman mentality.

If you go back to any tribes living in ancient times they behave like the same. But the Mountainous terrain makes it difficult for any external power to keep hold the territory.
 
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If you go back to any tribes living in ancient times they behave like the same. But the Mountainous terrain makes it difficult for any external power to keep hold the territory.

Yes...but in Pakistan...tribes still behave as cavemen in 2013 and they are proud of it.

And afghanistan........
 
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I never talk abt ethnicities and shyt... but thanks to Punjabi zia we are in deep shyt today!

And because of a Sindhi Bhutto, a Hindko Ayub, a Kizal-Bash Yahya & a cowardly Niazi we fought '65 for God knows what reasons before loosing half the country in '71 ! Not to mention an overzealous Muhajir Musharaf got us into this deep sh*t in '01 right after pulling a Kargil over all of us ! :omghaha:

Makes a funny read doesn't it ! :P

So lets not get bogged down with ethnicities or linguistics ! :kiss3:
 
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Its the Terrain that is difficult in Afghanistan.

Terrain is also difficult in Chitral, gilgit and kashmir.....high peak mountains and jungles.....yet they are like teddy bears......
its all about the people
 
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Terrain is also difficult in Chitral, gilgit and kashmir.....high peak mountains and jungles.....yet they are like teddy bears......
its all about the people

For Kashmir, Gilgit and Chitral you have some planes adjacent to it and so you can hold them, same cannot be said about the heart land of Afghanistan.

Same thing happened in Vietnam where mighty USA failed to subdue Vietcongs in Jungle warfare.
 
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Terrain is also difficult in Chitral, gilgit and kashmir.....high peak mountains and jungles.....yet they are like teddy bears......
its all about the people

So...peaceful civilized people are teddy bears?
 
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Why Britons walked warily in Waziristan

In 1919, a young British army officer, Francis Stockdale, was deployed to the Waziristan area of British India.

The title of his book, "Walk Warily in Waziristan" seems no less appropriate now than it did 90 years ago, because today the autonomous Pakistani tribal region of North and South Waziristan is the centre of militancy orchestrated by pro-Taleban and al-Qaeda militants.

It is also an area where many believe the al-Qaeda leader, Osama Bin Laden, may be hiding after the September 2001 World Trade Centre attacks.

It wasn't until the 1980s that Capt Stockdale's family published a handful of copies of the book, only a few of which survive. But because or renewed interest in the region, the family in the English county of Norfolk are considering reprinting it.

'Wait, watch and pounce'

The book provides a fascinating account of what was regarded then - as it is today - as a thoroughly dangerous area.

One of the main towns close to Waziristan is Tank. Capt Stockdale describes it as being "the worst station in British India".


Waziristan landscape

In pictures: 1920s Waziristan

"It was known as 'Hell's door knocker' because in the summer the temperature would rise so high that a village nearby rejoiced in the highest temperature in the world - a modest 131 degrees in the shade.

"But it was also an area where hostile tribesman waited, watched and pounced," he wrote.

"My memories of Tank are characterised by sporadic outbreaks of rifle fire by night and spasmodic outbreaks of cholera during the day. The town fully deserved its poor reputation."

Capt Stockdale goes on to describe just how dangerous the "hostile tribesmen" were in the Wana, the main town of South Waziristan, when a sniper infiltrated a British camp.

"Like all tribesmen in this area, he was a marvellous shot," Capt Stockdale wrote, "and he killed the commanding officer with his first shot.

"He killed or wounded 11 other men before his hiding place was discovered."

'Passionate letters'

Ninety years ago, it seemed that British troops in Waziristan faced the same kind of dangers as Pakistani troops in the region do today.

Cover of 'Walk Warily in Waziristan'
Only a few copies of the book remain

"One one occasion, tribesmen rolled down boulders in front of a military convoy - effectively cutting them off. I could hear the firing in the distance and there were lots of casualties."

Getting captured, it seemed, was not an option: "It would result in death by torture, an activity which I was informed the tribal women folk used to luxuriate."

The shortage of female company in these remote outposts of the British empire played heavily on officers and men alike.

Capt Stockdale describes the lucky escape of one soldier who took to writing passionate letters to his wife and his mistress from a British encampment in the region that was surrounded by tribesmen.

"Waiting for a target, they got bored and fired a bullet at random into the camp. It removed the digit finger of the man's right hand as he was writing to the loves of his life.

"That incident kept me on the straight and narrow path for many months to come - not that there were many opportunities in Waziristan to be tempted or led astray!"

'Ransom papers'

A book packed with colourful reminiscences, Capt Stockdale describes many of his brother officers.

These included Whipples, who wore a monocle every time the bullets started flying and specialised in using camels to provide supplies of whisky and gin in remote areas.

"The tribesmen got Whipples in the end and I guarantee the monocle was in when the last bullet hit him," he wrote.

British soldiers in Waziristan
British soldiers were impressed by the ingenuity of the tribesmen

He also describes attempts by the Royal Flying Corps (RFC) to drop bombs on tribesmen encamped close to the border with Afghanistan.

"Their bombs did not always explode upon hitting the earth and the tribesmen soon adapted themselves to shooting at flying targets. The pilots carried ransom papers, so if they were captured and returned to safety, the reward would be large."

Some of the unexploded bombs dropped by the RFC were "collected by the tribesmen who used them to decorate their mud huts or houses".

Local fighters in the 1920s were as tough then as they are now.

"We often used to ask ourselves, how could they survive so long living in a rocky area, with a film of earth capable of growing only scrub trees?"

Capt Stockdale ended up serving two years in Waziristan and considered himself lucky to be returning home.

"Many of my friends were killed, but I lived 60 years since then," he wrote.

Capt Stockdale - who was later promoted to be a major - died in 1989 aged 93.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Why Britons walked warily in Waziristan
 
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Forget about Britons and Alexander...even waziris walk warily in Waziristan.
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